Team 62 Ton Son Nhut

MACV Team 62 – Ton Son Nhut

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98 thoughts on “Team 62 Ton Son Nhut

  1. Anybody know where I could find Jack Swanson? We went through Palace Dog training together at Lackland and he went to Nha Trang, at which point we lost touch. He’s on the PD list but no e-mail or other address is included.

  2. Gentlemen:
    I am an Admin on a Vietnam Vets Only FB page. We have a gentleman trying to gain entry into our group who claims he was with MACV Team 62. His name is Ed Stutz. I’ve tried to search for him here and on other MACV platforms but I am unable to find him listed anywhere. Can you guys help me out?
    Jim Buckland
    SSgt, USAF, 1970 & 1971

    • JIm,

      Ed Stutz was with Advisory Team 62 in Vietnam from 9/69-9/70. Air Force personal on our team referred to themselves as Palace Dogs.

      Thank you for checking. – Dean

    • The Brinks I think.

      I was back in 1997 teaching prospective English Language Teachers on Semester At Sea. Took my son up to our apartment near the Pasteur Institute. Noticed that all the hotels that had been assigned quarters for US personnel were being torn down and replaced with Hilton, Marriot etc new buildings. The USO as well. Go figure!

      Near the Continental Palace at the end of the block and behind the Opera. I think the grand hotel dropped the Palace designation out of respect for Marx.

      Mike Johnston
      Navy group.
      What were we called? Squids?

  3. I hope there is someone out there that can help me. I too was assigned to Det. 11, 1131 USAF Specl Acty Sq (HG Comd, USAF), Ft. Myer, Va. I too lived out of the St. George and was assigned to the Armed Forces Language School. But I never heard of Team 62 nor Palace Dog. To be specific, my assignment (as it reads on the Citation on the Medal I received) was: “NCOIC of Instructors, Armed Forces Language School, Camp Tran Hung Dao, Joint General Staff Compound, Training Directorate, Headquarters, Military Assistance Command Vietnam”. I can Google the St. George but when I Google Camp Tran Hung Dao I draw a blank. Even though I’m now 80 years old, I don’t think I’m going senile yet but obviously I’m doing something wrong. Anybody??

    • The term ‘Palace Dog’ was unique to the Air Force. We went through instructor training at Lackland AFB then went to Vietnam under a program then known as Palace Dog. Several years ago, I began the Yahoogroup called Palace Dog. Only later did I learn that the Army and Navy instructiors never heard you hat code name. There are so many posts on the group that changing the name now would cause a lot of history to be lost.
      The Air Force was there PCS but many of the Army and Navy personnel were there TDY.

      • Yes, I was PCS’ed there (I was USAF). We did our training at Lackland, and yes, we were “Palace Dog” trainees at the Defense Language Institute installation there. I still have my “DLI” badge from that time. The DLI school at Lackland was one of my better memories: we had a lot of foreigners there including some Iranians: we were allied with them at the time, since the Shah was in power. A lot of them were Iranian AF women, some of the most beautiful ladies I have ever seen in my life. With only an E-2’s pay I was unable to do more than look, I’m sorry to say.

        We had a few Navy people in the compounds where I taught (JGS and Tan Son Nhut) but well over 90% of us were USAF. One of the Navy instructors was a guy I was in college with. The Army people were mostly the senior NCO’s and the officers. A Major Gardner was CO during most of tour.

        I believe the Palace Dog program was unusual in that all of us had at least a Bachelor’s degree, and I knew of a few people with Masters’ degrees; there was one who was rumored to have a PhD but I can’t remember who he was.

        At first I lived in a BEQ in Cholon (I can’t remember which one, but I think it was White’s) just down the street from an NCO club; I have a picture of it somewhere. Later I was moved to the MACV compound barracks, which were nowhere near so comfortable. Late in my tour (I was there a year) I was hospitalized at Third Field for pneumonia that I contracted from exposure. Damn and blast, that was a long time ago!

        • I was TDY from Phu Cat and remember Advisory Team 62 as an English Language Specialist on the call for volunteers. I joined sometime in December 1968 (I thought November). Our teaching began Immediately and each day we boarded buses and went to Koelper Compound. there was a group of about 8 army guys that were a permanent duty there. I remember that the school on Tan Son Nhut had been destroyed during Tet of 68 so where they taught until Koelper opened in December 1968 assume it must have been Camp Tran Hung Dao
          Jerry Brown November 1968 – May 1969 Saigon

  4. Hi Guys, Just discovered this. I arrived in-country 9/69; left 9/70. Taught VNAF EMs @ JGS. First billet was Hung Dao then we were moved to barracks @ MACV after a few months. In Jan. ’70 escaped from that prison & moved into the St. George in Jan. ’70. Roommates were Terry Gaffney & Bill Stahl. I retired from my 45+ year photography career in 9/16 & moved to Sai Gon on March 1st of this year; loving it. Big, modern city now w/ literally everything available; French wine, Belgian chocolate, Swiss cheese, Australian Angus beef + all the local cuisine. Craft beer scene exploding w/ many brew-pubs. I live in a 250 sq.ft. penthouse apt. in a small, modern 9-unit building @ the end of a long alley in a V-nese neighborhood. One exterior wall is all glass 4 meters wide x 3 meters high. I have 2 a/c units, 2 wide-screen TVs, fridge, microwave, washing machine, wi-fi, fully furnished w/ real hardwood furniture (no IKEA-style crap), maid service 2x per week. I’m the only apt. on my floor & one flight up is a rooftop deck w/ a panoramic view of the city. US$600/month + electric which is about another 50 bucks. Ironically I’m about a mile away from the Hung Dao! Guys I remember are Tom Ferrazoli, Rich Wiedl, Ackerman, Roy Levy, Dave Hoover, Willis Humiston, Michael Williams & Michael Johnston who are both now living in Costa Rica. Anybody contemplating a trip over here lemme’ know. I can show you around the “new” Sai Gon (Ho Chi Minh City) & if you’re looking to go elsewhere can fix you up w/ reputable guides who won’t rip you off; I’m very well-connected here. Address: 42/44B Tran Dinh Xu, Apt. 51, Phuong Co Giang, HCMC 700000. Tel.: +84 90 501 7215. Bye for now, MB

  5. I was an aircraft mechanic on C-7A caribou which serviced the small fire bases in the Central Highlands. After reading of and ignoring openings for a 6 months TDY assignment as an English instructor in the base daily bulletin I was called in by my CO at Phu Cat Air Base. He briefed me that it was in Saigon and on what the assignment involved. Well I arrived in February 69 and taught at Koeppler Compound till August 69 while living in the St. George in Cho Lon. We sat in on a few classes of the guys already assigned were giving to get our bearings and then were thrown in to the deep end of the pool with our own classes. We knew we were part of MACV at Ton Son Nhut but had no idea the group was referred to as “Palace Dogs” nor “MACV Team 62” at the time but simply Armed Forces Language School. I was in the St. George when they blew up the Dong Khanh school. After August 69 if I remember right the trained instructors from Lackland took over.

    Most of the gray matter has become gray hair but some of the guys with me were Dave Pierce, Grant McCloud, Gerald Van Zandt, John(?) Mattingly and McCoy. The CO was named Capt. Springer if memory serves me.

    • Quite a shock to see my name in print after all these years,Bob! Especially after hooking up with the “Happy Valley” Phan Rang group this past week (perm. In-country base) The bells are ringing,but by now I’d be happy with a tinkle! Names are tough to come by,but events are much clearer. Jim(?) Dent (Dente)was my roommate,but he had a place downtown. I always felt safer in Cho-Lon than NYC; that was until they blew the front off the school.
      My experience was close to yours. No one volunteered, so the CO “Volunteered” someone. He raised HELL and I caught wind of it. Sounded good so I went for the bait. Why didn’t I listen to dear old Dad? (Do not volunteer!)

      • Grant: Great to hear from you again !

        I can’t blame you if you can’t picture anyone after all these years I have trouble also.

        I was notified of your post by a ex-Navy guy named Dean Hjelle who taught at Koeppler after us and is running a site on Yahoo groups called “English Language Instructors” for the guys who taught there and Dong Khanh.

        I could probably write here all night of what I remember while assigned at Koeppler / Cho-lon but why over extend my welcome after all these years. So I’ll give you my “E”mail and you can drop me a line if you wish.

        mandervillebob@yahoo.com

      • Grant: It was good to hear from you again after all these years.

        I can’t blame you for not remembering names and faces because outside of the few I mentioned I can’t remember many either. I also find it easier to remember stories and things that happened. Well I could probably write all night about some of those stories but I don’t want to over extend my welcome here and this site won’t let us post pictures, videos or links (except personal web addresses) so if you care to talk more about the old days my address is :

        mandervillebob@yahoo.com

  6. December, 1968, I was an E4, Malmstrom AFB, Montana. I volunteered for an assignment to Vietnam. Left Montana December, ’68, flew to Lackland AFB, enrolled in Defense Language Institute (still have the sweatshirt I bought). When I left Montana, the high was -25 degrees. Mid February, 1969, I landed in Tan Son Nhut AFB, where is was the middle of summer, about 105 (humidity). Our groups was taken to Cho-Lon, where we were billeted in a multi-story hotel, just around the corner from an NCO club. We taught at the Dong Khan hotel on Tran Hung Doa street, until it was blown up by a parked quatre-chevaux taxi, 12 August 1969 (per the date on the list of Purple Heart recipients) (I was one), then we were moved to the tin huts on the outskirts of Tan Son Nhut. We were never told any unit or other information, other than we were assigned to MACV, We had a VN General, and a U.S.Army colonel, and a USAF captain. We had a first sgt, Snowden. I left Vietnam in February, 1970, for Pease AFB,NH. I had exactly 6 monthe and two weeks to go and they would not let me out early because of the extra two weeks. I have never seen any of my colleagues on any site, and I am not sure if I was Palace Dog, Unit 62 or what? Some of my fellow instructors were Bush, Rutherford (four-eyes), Alan Coates, and Morton. Any help would be appreciated. Thank you and goose morning!

  7. Guys,

    Help me out here.

    I have a memory that we were told that we were in Team 62, we didn’t talk about it much. We wore the standard MACV patch but after reading many of these posts, I wonder if we were in Team 62.

    I’ve seen all of these posts about living or working in Tan Son Nhut, which I didn’t do. I lived in some hotel on a busy street and walked a few blocks to an old, French colonial building to teach at the school.

    After initially being sent to the 199th Lt Inf Bde (Sep) from July to September or October, 1970, I was transferred into Saigon to teach English to Vietnamese military who were taking training in English. I went back to The World in April, 1971.

    It was the DLI method, which I was familiar with because I attended a 30 week course in Vietnamese language at Ft Bliss, Texas.

    Going into Saigon was great. I took my first hot shower in over three months and felt that I could not only get out of here alive, but I had clean sheets, a roof, a good mess hall, and a light work schedule (12:00 noon to 5:00pm, Monday through Friday – I couldn’t believe it – weekends just didn’t happen in Viet Nam). The rear was great duty. Like with the 199th, I met some great guys and can say that occasionally I felt equally like a GI and like a tourist.

    A good pal was Craig Peacock from Asheville, NC and we had civilian administrators, Ed Hahn and Richard Merrill.

    So, what is the collective wisdom of this group? Any recollection of a similar circumstance?

    Thanks,

    Dan McCoy

    • Dan
      When I responded to a call for volunteers in fall of 1968 it asked for those interested in becoming language specialist in Advisory Team 62. I was selected and arrived either November or December 1968. I was picked up by and Army member of team who wore the MACV patch and was taken to MACV HQs to process in – quick work and the Army guy waited and then delivered me to the St. George Hotel where I became on of initially 8 AF guys to join about 8 or so Army guys. We were given a blue AFLS patch to wear from our fatigues shirt pocket. The army had only MACV patches and never asked them if they were part of team 62, most had been through TET 68 when school was destroyed and they moved to Cholon. We were soon joined by maybe 8 or 10 navy guys who also wore the blue patches.
      We and Army lived at St. George and Navy lived elsewhere. We all taught at Koelper Compound, would guess old French building until Dong Khanh in April 1969? opened to accommodate a huge influx of AF instructors.
      I return to my activated ANG unit at Phucat AFB in May 1969 returning to Andrews AFB for discharge.
      I recent got my complete records from St. Louis and there is no mention of my time in Saigon as either Team 62 or Palace Dog. They said write AF directly if what I want is not in my file.
      Hope this helps
      Jerry Brown

    • Hi Dan,
      My name is George Wanamaker. I was in the first group of instructors at the AFLS in 1968. I too was brought in from the 199th. Ed Hahn was the original admin. guy and headed the civilian team. There was about 15 or so instructors at that time. The operation was headed by a Lt. Col. Telafaro, along with about two or three other civilian admin people. We had a Jeep driver named Chu who mainly did PX runs. E-7 Popp was the first sergeant. He would buy any rations you did not use on your card, then sell the stuff on the black market. Everyone else actually had to go thru the process for a promotion! We taught on the JGS compound next to Ton sa Nhut AFB. That sure was good duty after being in the field. At the time that school was Westmoreland’s little pet project. He once spoke to us as a group, making the remark that we couldn’t be effetive partners with the S. Vietnamese if we could not communicate with them in the field. We taught interpreters, Viet pilots going stateside to Ft Rutger aviation school, and people working in the US embassey with Americans. I returned home in July of 1968. Back then we did not have a team number that I was aware of because the project was Westy’s experiment at the time. I can answer questions from July 68 back regarding the AFLS.

    • Dan – I was a Navy AFLS-Vietnam instructor from October 1970 – October 1971 and taught at Royal Annex, JGS Annex, Vung Tau and Tan Son Nhut. We lived at the St. George BEQ and later the barracks at MACV. We (Navy) were assigned to MACV Advisory Team 62. While collecting contact information for our instructors, I realized that the vast majority of Air Force instructors relate to Palace Dog rather than Advisory Team 62. Some Air Force instructors have also mentioned Det 11, 1131st USAF Special Activities Squadron (HQ Comd USAF) and Advisory Team 7 in Nha Trang. I had never heard the term PalaceDog or any of the others while I was in Vietnam. Our Yahoo Groups page and a Facebook page are named PalaceDog.

      In December 1969 we had the following numbers of instructors USAF 354 (JGS, Koelper, Tan Son Nhut), USA 15 (Dong Khanh Annex), USN 70 (Royal Annex), ARVN 29 (Dong Khanh Annex), VN Civ 11 (Dong Khanh Annex) and USA 80 (Vung Tau Annex). This information is from After Action Reports posted on the PalaceDog site.

      Dong Khanh Annex was car bombed on 1/31/68. 28 instructors received Purple Hearts.

      • Sorry for the error, the Dong Khanh bombing occurred on 8/7/69. The JGS Annex facility was destroyed on 1/31/68 during Tet.

  8. I arrived at Ton Son Nhut in Oct of ’70 and left in May of ’72. I remember Tom Caceci because his bunk was just down the line from me. I remember the names Ken Cronin and Larry Hayes. I was on the morning shift at the language school and kept busy as a life guard at the MAC V swimming pool in the afternoon and sometimes evening. I lived on the tennis courts and on the racket ball courts otherwise. Other names I remember off the top of my head are Steve Jones, Jim O’Hare, Tom O’Neil, Rod Baber, – Nishihara, Marlin Howard, Bob Blank, and Don Fink. It was great duty and full of great people.

    • Mac – Please send me an email address so I can contact you off-site. I am part of the AFLS-Vietnam reunion committee and have contact information for several of the instructors you mentioned. Dean (dahjelle08@gmail.com)

  9. I have the list of the 18 guys who received the Purple Heart when the Dong Khan school was blown up in 1969, if anyone is interested. I also have pictures of the aftermath.

    • Alve, My name is Tom Upson and I was one of the 18. I had a picture at one time after the blast. My room was on the second floor facing the street not far from the guard shack that was leveled. If you could send me any information I would appreciate it.

  10. I served from Oct 60 to Oct 70, mostly at TSN #1. It is good to see some familiar names joining the group!

  11. Peter, we were there at the same time at TSN. I arrived end of December 1969 and Deros’d November 1971. I was headed for Wiesbaden Germany after VN. I took German classes with one of you guys. Any idea who that might have been?

    Jim Buckland (SSgt)
    834th Air Div., 377th Combat Support Group
    ALCE/ALCC

  12. I trained at Lackland, Defense Language Institute, in 1969. I served Dec 69 to Nov 70, mostly at the Tan Son Nhut School and lived at MACV Annex. I spent part of that time at the Koepler compound and lived at the St. George Hotel. I remember a couple of guys who were with me during that year at the Tan Son Nhut school: James Menges, Danny McKnight, Orin Schaal,
    I am James Pascarella, now living on Guam. Facebook page: James Joseph Pascarella Jr

  13. This Rodger Poole from I think North Carolina. Yes I remember him. I was with MACV 62 from Apr-Oct 69 taught at Dong Khanh School in Cholon(Saigon).

  14. In the “old days” of 1967 we wore only one patch, that being MACV. The very few Viet military personel wore the blue patch of their unit. There were even a few American civilian cadre, and Viet civilian cadre teaching classes. They did not wear O.D. but were able to wear street clothes. We had a Viet corporal as a “company driver” on call for PX runs, trips on and off the base, and special trips for C.O. He just sat in that Jeep all day and smoked when not driving!
    We taught out of paperback books, and had other collateral with pictures for examples of difficult to explain subjects. The total office personell consisted of the C.O., a 1st. Sgt., an American G.S. rated civilian supervisor that the few American civilians answered to, and a Viet civilian male clerk typist.

  15. Armed Forces Language School (AFLS) – Vietnam instructors are encouraged to check out our Yahoo Group site: . MACV Advisory Team 62 and PalaceDog were both names used for our group. We taught English to Vietnamese Air Force, Navy and Army personnel. The majority of instructors were Air Force, but we also had Navy and Army instructors. Facilities were located in Saigon, Cholon, Vung Tau, Nha Trang and Dalat. Some of the facility names you might recognize include Dong Khanh, Koelper, Royal Annex, JGS Annex and the new school at Tan Son Nhut. We have identified the names of over 900 instructors and have contact information for over 200. There is a very good chance some were there during your tour. Our next reunion is scheduled for the end of September 2018 in Branson, MO.

    Dean Hjelle
    MACV Advisory Team 62
    AFLS – Vietnam
    Oct 70 – Oct 71

    • I would be very interested in your list of instructor names. I was there Aug 70 to Aug 71. Is there a way to post pictures? I have quite a few. I lived in a billet in Cholon for a couple of months (forget the name, it was a grubby “hotel”) then moved to the JGS compound.

      • Tom,

        This site won’t allow me to send an email directly to you. I would be happy to send you the most recent version of the list of instructors . Just send an email requesting it to me at dahjelle08@gmail.com . Pictures can be posted to the Yahoo site. A lot have already been posted there and there are even a few after action reports in the file section. The hotel you mentioned was likely the St. George BEQ, or possibly the Capitol BEQ which was right in front of it. Several instructors brought slide shows and scrapbooks to the reunion. It was a great time!

    • Just stumbled on this page. Served as English language instructor in Saigon Oct 69-Oct 70. I lived at the St George Hotel, and taught up the street at Dong Khanh if memory serves me.

  16. I was Air Force attached to MAC-V at Tan Son Nhut Air Force Base, Saigon in 1971. Was with a great bunch of guys I remember fondly. New school was being built at the time. Although memory is lagging these days. Tried to research the time but not much seems to be on-line about the language school. Some small article from a guy was trying to convince that it did indeed exist as he new someone who served there. Comments above are from an earlier time. Anyone out there from 70 -72? Nice to see some reunion efforts have gone on. Starting to write memoir and would love to connect with guys I knew from that period. Please e-mail me.

    • We do not have your current email addresses on the Advisory Team 62/PalaceDog master list. If you would send me an email (dahjelle08@gmail.com) I will send you the Advisory Team 62 reunion announcement. Any other names and email addresses you would be willing to send would also be greatly appreciated.

    • Peter,
      As Jerry implied, I manage the MACV Advisory Team 62 / Palacedog instructor list. We plan to hold our third reunion in Branson, MO, in 2018. Please send an email to dahjelle08@gmail.com. We have contact information for quite a number of instructors that were in Saigon the same time you were. I am unable to send you a personal email from the information available on this list. Dean – Oct 70-Oct 71

    • I was there, yes, the language school existed. We trained at Lackland at the Defense Language Institute facility. I arrived in Vietnam August 1970 and left in August 1971. Taught at JGS, and Tan Son Nhut. I was assigned to teach AFVN enlisted personnel. I was USAF but the team was run by the Army, so we wore Army uniforms with USAF insignia. It’s hard to find anything about the language school! Glad to find this site.

    • Good to see a name I remember. You will find a lot of information and photos by joining the Palacedog group at Yahoo groups

      Last I recall you and Pacifico were heading out to billets downtown.

      Larry

    • Peter, I arrived at MAC V in Oct ’70 and after a 6 month extension, I left in April/May of ’72. I was billeted just opposite the mess hall on the second floor. I believe that I may remember you and that you bunked opposite me but more central on the floor. I was located just inside the door facing the mess hall. I worked the AM shift at the school and life guarded at the MAC V pool usually in the PM or in the evening and played a lot of racket ball and tennis so I kept fairly busy. I am from suburban Philadelphia. If I can be helpful, please contact me.

      Regards, Malcolm “Mac” J. Keiter

      mjkeiter21@gmail.com

  17. Tom & Bill,

    We do not have your current email addresses on the Advisory Team 62/PalaceDog master list. If you would send me an email (dahjelle08@gmail.com) I will send you the Advisory Team 62 reunion announcement. Any other names and email addresses you would be willing to send would also be greatly appreciated.

    Thank you,

    Dean
    Advisory Team 62
    Saigon
    Oct 70-Oct 71

    • Hello Dean, I got your phone message, but the number was garbled. Yes I was with the AFLS from March 70 – June 71. Lived at the St George in Cholon, then moved to MACV

  18. This is in reply to Carl Wisneski’s 2014 post. Some more names in our group are: Peter Darby, and John Esher. I have been in touch with both. Also, Jack Wilson was in the group behind us. We were all instructors from 4/69 – 4/70.

    • Hello Tom. Last I heard you lived somewhere in Pennsylvania.
      John J Blair, had a listing one time of all of us
      Phone numbers and addresses.
      He lives in Mission, TX. Just outside McAllen.

        • I would be happy to send you a spreadsheet containing contact information for many of our team members if you send me your email address. Our next reunion will be held in Branson, MO September 27-30, 2018.

          Dean Hjelle
          dahjelle08@gmail.com
          AFLS-Vietnam
          October 70 – October 71

  19. Fred,
    Our first reunion was held in San Antonio. It’s too bad you missed it. Please send your email address to Carl or me so we can keep you better informed. You may want to join the Yahoo Groups ‘Palacedog’ page as well. There are a lot of pictures and information you may find interesting. Carl was Air Force. I was Navy.

    Dean

  20. Fred Fisher, taught from Oct ’69 to Oct ’70. 2323 Cardigan Hill, San Antonio, Texas 78232. Why not have the next reunion in San Antonio…where it all began 🙂

  21. MACV Advisory Team 62 – AFLS English Language Instructors, Vietnam will be holding their second reunion in Branson, MO September 29 – October 2, 2016. Please contact Carl Wisneski (cxw5@yahoo.com ) or Dean Hjelle (dahjelle08@gmail.com) for more information. If you are unable to attend, please contact us so we can add your name to our contact list for future reunions.

    • Dan McCoy – VN language school in Saigon, October 1970, until April 1971. In a lucky stroke of luck, I was transferred into Saigon from the 199th Lt. Inf. Bde and got out of the bush to a safe placement in the rear. I loved it, by comparison.

    • Hi Dean, please add me to the list, i served from Aug of 1971 through May of 1972, Not many replies from this span. We had a whole barracks of Navy personnel, mostly E-3 TARS. thanks for doing this.

      Mark Tunison
      jatunison@hot.commail

  22. My gosh the things one finds on the internet. SSgt James Buckland. Was assigned to the 834th Air Division, 377th Combat Support Group, ALCE and ALCC. Two tours: 1970 and 1971. Worked to support MACV Teams with both supplies and Commando Vault missions. Had an assignment to Wiesbaden Germany following my second tour. I enrolled in and took German lessons. Looking back I often have wondered who the hell the people were that taught me basic 101 German. Guess it was MACV Language people. Think I remember the classes at TSN but also in Cholon(?)
    (jbuckland@baybroadband.net)

  23. I taught at the AFLS at Ton Son Nhut on the JGS compound in 1968 during Tet. I rotated in July of 1968. I never knew what happened to the unit after leaving. The gun ships left the school a twisted mass of corrugated steel while going after NVA insurgents.

  24. This comment is for the Moderator. There is some confusion here. I was with MACV Mobile Advisory Team (62) in Kien Tuong Province, Village of Bac Chan. The other group that is posting is an Air Force Group (AFIS). I contacted one of the individual and see their email below:

    Andre,

    We were a relatively small Navy unit attached to an Air Force command. My orders said Advisory Team 62 (AFLS). Some of the Air Force personnel identify with Advisory Team 62, others with Palacedog. I understand there was another group named Palacedog also. We taught English to Vietnamese sailors, marines, airmen and army personnel. The Navy had one school in Saigon, the Army one in Vung Tau and the Air Force at least three in Saigon and one in Nha Trang. I don’t know if AFLS (Armed Forces Language School) was referred to as Advisory Team 62 in 1968 but I know it existed in Saigon at that time.

    I would suggest requesting that the moderator of the site list us as Advisory Team 62 (AFLS). Maybe yours could be Advisory Team 62 (RF) or something your team members would recognize. It’s been awhile since I looked at the site but it might be good to ask the moderator to separate the comments currently under Advisory Team 62 so they fall under the right group – yours or ours.

    Feel free to contact the moderator and make these changes. I know those on our team would recognize AFLS so that would be much better for us than Tan Son Nhut.

    I hope this helps,

    Dean
    Minnesota

    Andre,

    I couldn’t find anything either but the last entry under Team 15 seems to indicate that Bill was able to contact the administrator by just making a post addressed to admin under one of the teams (in our case Team 62). It’s very possible that the administrator sees and has to approve each post.

    Here is a copy of Bill’s post and the administrator’s response.

    Bill Presz, SSgt. USAF MILPHAP Team 57 permalink
    October 15, 2013 8:11 pm

    Admin, Please note, MILPHAP Team 15 was located in Vinh Binh Provence, the city of Tra Vinh (aka Phu Vinh) in the Mekong Delta. The team leadership in ¹68 and ¹69 was as follows:
    Commander: USAF Maj. David S. Zarek, 553 Med. Svc. Flight
    Administrative Officer: USAF Capt. Richard Gill, 553 Med. Svc. Flight
    NCOIC MILPHAP Team 15: USAF TSgt. Harold Powell

    I¹ve been posting to the Team 57 site in error. I received a copy of my official Service Records this AM indicating that the Team I was part of was in fact Team 15. I can send you a copy of the document if you need to verify. Please move my posts to the Team 15 site and advise me how to change the team number next to my name. Bill Presz, SSgt. USAF MILPHAP Team 15. Thank you in advance.

    Reply

    MACV TEAMS permalink*
    July 4, 2014 4:39 pm

    Thank you Bill.

    I hope this helps,

    Dean

    • I,m Leslie Scheeler selective service number 284491350 I,M SPEC 4 rank. Time in country Jan. 1969 to Jan. 1970. Stationed along the side of the Air force Base. This was Fuel depot Base. Sure meet the other people I was with

  25. I was an ESL instructor at TSN 1 from Oct 69 to Oct 70. Lived in one of the 4 barracks at MACV Annex. Eric Floyd was, and still is, my best friend.

  26. I was an TESL Instuctor, language lab. tech. and testing ctr. tech. At Koepler Compound and then TSN 2. In-country from 13 NOV ’69 to 12 NOV ’70. It would great to reconnect

  27. Instructors I know of:
    Allen, Thomas F. AF11710996
    Blair, John J. AF15964609
    Golas, John P. Jr. AF11807445
    Hare, John R. AF18984929
    Kunz, Paul AF68040185
    LaValley, Richard J. AF12834409
    McSorley, Ronald E. AF68029230
    Milburn, Glenn J. AF68029140
    Neiman, Michael AF18984460
    Oak, Oden L. AF11841845
    Ohora, Jon P. AF11647268
    Peddie, William A. J. AF68061566
    Poole, Rodger E. Jr. AF12834263
    Porter, Joel S. AF12986389
    Russ, Roger A. AF17724397
    Seely, Robert R. Jr. AF15814610
    Upson, Thomas T. AF11891623
    Wisneski, Carl AF68077699
    Yates, Roger W. AF12895953
    Zenith, Daniel L. AF11630103

    • John J. Blair lives in Mission, TX, just outside McAllen.
      I was unable to find his phone number.
      Anybody remember him??
      He may have a listing of all the guys names and addresses, at least then.

      • I was there from 1969 to 1970 I don’t know any of these comrrads. I believe the post that I was stationed at was 602 it was a fuel depot this was Ton Son Nut 602nd GS CO 6th Army

    • I am Rodger E. Poole, Jr’s sister, Diana Poole Smith in Virginia. Rodger died on January 9, 2017 one day after his 71st birthday, of Scleroderma related esophageal problems. Do I understand correctly that Rodger was an Air Force language instructor with Team 62 at Ton Son Nhut?

      • Diane, I am saddened to hear of Rodger’s passing. He and I were part of the first wave of English language instructors sent to Vietnam. We were originally sent to Saigon and taught at a school in Cholon. We lived in the Hung Dao hotel. We were later reassigned upcountry in Nha Trang. I don’t know our unit designation in Saigon, but we were part of Air Force Advisory Group, Air Force Advisory Team 4 while in Nha Trang. That unit was later redesignated Advisory Team 7. While we were in Nha Trang, we appropriated a couple of sailboats and Rodger was the only guy with actual sailing experience. So he taught me and a couple of other guys how to bark orders. He was a good guy.

        • I don’t know if Diane will see this but I can remember going with Rodger and some others to the Continental Hotel in Saigon and imagine Graham Greene sitting with us since he was a resident for some time. I saw Rodger once after Vietnam when he was at Maxwell AFB in Montgomery, Alabama. Sorry to hear of his passing.

  28. I was assigned to Detachment 11, 1131st Special Activities Squadron, Tan Son Nhut Air Base, Vietnam, with duty at Kopler Compound, Saigon, Vietnam from October 1969 to 1970. I taught at the school located in Cholon, and performed other duties in addition to teaching.

    Lafayette (Paul) Harney, SMSgt USAF Retired

  29. Air Force guys were assigned to MACV Advisory Teams, We worked with a mix of the other services, but mostly Army. The FACs had a tough job. They had to fly low and be exposed to ground fire in order to do their job successfully. I was with Team 62 out of TSN Annex.

    • Fred,

      Advisory Team 62 (Palacedog) is in the final stages of planning a reunion at Lackland AFB. If Interested you will want to check out the Yahoo Group site named Palacedog.

      Dean

  30. I need some help from you IV Corps (Mekong Delta) Advisory Team vets.

    I am trying to piece together my brother’s experiences in Vietnam (June 65 to June 66) for the benefit of his boys and the rest of the family.

    A2C Tom Toussaint was a USAF reciprocating engine mechanic. For part of his time he was on Advisory Team 53 at Long Xuyen or Can Tho. He spent time at Soc Trang and Chi Lang. And he had been in both Thailand and Laos.

    I think he was a crew chief on a Forward Air Control 1-E Bird Dog. He had hundreds of slides taken from the rear seat of the FAC plane of air strikes in the forests below. But the few pictures I have of him show only Bird Dogs with US Army markings, not USAF.

    How were these Advisory Teams organized? Who did the members report to?

    Could he have been working on an Army plane?

    He talked about having an M60 mounted on the door of the O1-E. The FAC’s I have talked to said that the Army O1-E’s did this, but not the Air Force.

    What was the role of these USAF people on these Advisory Teams in the Delta?

    Thanks,

    Ed Toussaint
    Potomac, MD
    Etoussaint44@yahoo.com

  31. I was with MAT 62 but in 1968 it was located in Ap Bac Chan, Capital Moc Hoa, Province of Kien Tuong. RIght under the Parrot’s Beak area of the Cambodia border. We reported to SF Team B41 out of Moc Hoa. Timeframe: June 1968 to November 1968. At times the SF also called us MAT 85. I wonder if the team moved subsequently?

    • Fred,

      We have two Yahoo groups set up for Advisory Team 62. The primary one is Palacedog and the other AFLS Vietnam. They contain a lot of pictures, after action reports, etc. I also have a database of a lot of men that we served with. Contact me if you are interested.

      I taught at Royal Annex, JGS and Ton Son Nhut. I also spent about 3 weeks teaching at Vung Tau.

      Dean Hjelle
      dahjelle08@gmail.com
      Advisory Team 62
      USNR
      Oct 70-Oct 71

      • Dean,

        I taught at the AFLS school in Cholon and also at Ton Son Nhut after they blew up our school in Cholon. This was in 1969. I was there TDY and now my TDY orders no longer exist. Do you know how I could get a list of the instructors who taught there in 1969.

        Thanks,

        Peter Burg
        peter.burg@rocketmail.com

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