Team 37 Phan Thiet-Binh Thuan

MACV Team 37 – Phan Thiet-Binh Thuan.

This Page is intended for the discussion of the Military Assistance Command Vietnam Team 37 located in Phan Thiet-Binh Thuan.

255 thoughts on “Team 37 Phan Thiet-Binh Thuan

  1. While spending a few days in Phan Thiet during December 2013 I took some photos of the street where the MACV hotel was located and some at the former airfield. Posted these on Flickr. Anyone interested please email me and I’ll send the links to them.

    John A. Hansen
    With Decca Navigator System at Phan Thiet in 1965.
    kanakeone@gmail.com

    • Hello John, name: Rick Olson, email – rolson@elite-creations.com, I was capt who “ran” the hotel in Phan Thiet, Nov ’68 to Nov ’69. Spent lots of time on that street. I would appreciate seeing your photos and to show my son even tho old hotel is no more. My thanks…..

    • John I was there from July 65 to August of 66 haven’t really been able to find anyone that was there with me at that time, perhaps you may know of any of the people & can help me find them primarily the security personel which I belonged to. Have been back there many times since the war ended so don’t need the photos.
      Thanks , Jim Ratzlaff
      Bsa500113w@gmail.com

    • December 9, 2017

      Dear John:

      Still offering to send links to your pictures of Phan Thiet? For the last half of my tour I managed the Team 37 hotel in Phan Thiet (Dec 69 to Jun 70)

      Milo Yoshino

      miloyoshi@aol.com

          • I hate to admit it but when it comes to any kind of technology, I’m lost. The best I can do is email photos or videos. Tom Hyde did send me a dvd but that was from back then. You will see his posts on the Macv website. Carl gorder ( vietnam once ) has a lot of pictures some were ones I sent him from the 60’s
            Another you can look at is LZ Betty.com just punch in the year you’re interested in

    • I was in Phan Thiet two times. Once with 101st civil affairs under Sgt Bell and second time I was assigned to MACV Phan Thiet. I married the girl who worked for Fred Shaver at JUSPAO who lived just around the corner on the north side of the compound. I sure would love to see those photos of the afrea. could you send me the link to them please?

      • I also married a Vietnamese girl from Phanthiet in 1998 , she lived near the bridge on the river. We own a home there outside of town which I go to every other year.
        My email is. Bsa500113w@ gmail.com

  2. Tom I just sent photos of song mao to paul girard last week. Paul sent them back with a nice letter of how it look back when he was there.I will be glad to share them if I get them back. I think your buddy or would of team 37 is looking for some from the post I just read from the e-mail Tell them to give address in e-mail an will do. Seadog out

    • Yes, I already emailed Amos. Good to hear from him, frankly, I’m damned pleased so many of us are still around considering. Still sorting through pictures, trying to make some sense chronologically of them. Did Paul scan your photos–maybe he could copy me those instead of your originals. Anyway, I will meet with Dennis Jones in a couple weeks, he may have some photos. I have addresses for about 25 already. Take care Seadog.

  3. Tom, I am Amos Hicks. I was the maintenance advisor for the ARVN DF site at Song Mao from 65-69. Our site advisor lived with the team and I stayed there too on my monthly maintenance and emergency repair trips. We were with S-3 Advisory, 509th Radio Research Group (Cover name for Army Security Agency). I would love to have pictures of Song Mao. Let me know the cost. My address is 1391 Mayfield Ridge Rd., Mayfield Heights, Oh 44124.

    • Amos, welcome home. I think we’ve met on your trips to Song Mao. I have your name on my list. My email address is LearnCAD@mchsi.com; send me an email and I’ll reply with a few pictures to start. Lt. Tuttle, 41st Civil Affairs in Team Chief, after Capt. Greiner and Lt. Pandolfo sent me a few pictures of our new bunker behind 41st CA’s Villa B. Larry Seaman and Dennis Jones may be in the picture with the ten atop the bunker. They said that bunker saved them, so I’ll bet some of the commo guys were assigned there.

      After 46+ years, I finally found my best friend and team medic Mike Albert. I flew out to visit him in Oakland, California last summer. The next 41st CA team reunion is in the SF area next summer.

      On a nearer note, I met Dennis Jones again (last saw him at VA Hosp. in 1969) he visits the VA Hospital in Iowa City, Iowa only a few miles from my home and we will get together on his next trip.

      I also contacted Col. Harlan Elliot, DSA, Song Mao commandant, and 44th Reg Advisor. We talked for hours on the phone. He inspired me to make the DVD. No charge involved, but if you have electronic pictures to share, I’ll include them with the collection. Please do not send originals, negatives, prints, or slides–I would not want the US Post Office to lose anything that valuable. I did scan my old photos and slides and some Larry Dowty, 41st CA mechanic sent to me.

  4. Lee I emember jimmy (the interpreter ) but the other names I don’t remember. Don’t know what happened to him after I left

  5. Bernie Corpe 1st Lt team 37 Ham Thaun Dec 1968 though July 1969 and the names of my team members are gone. Had a Major that looked like Seth Adams of Wagon train, a tall blonde captain ,another Lt I think was Pasqual, a Sgt that ran the main radio and a medic I think sp4. Our Vietnamese translator was Suiet, Was a triangular compound.

    • Bernie, I think I have a photo of the firebase from the air. I took a bumpy drive on a to deliver a 3/4T truck dropped off at Song Mao because the airfield was destroyed. I also have a photo of our 41st Civil Affairs 1/4T that was demolished by a 155mm booby trap. I’m putting together a DVD, no cost, I’ll send you. I was SP5 Translator/Interpreter for 41st Civil Affairs Team 4 at Song Mao, Binh Thuan Province ’68-’69. For privacy, you can send your mailing address to LearnCAD@mchsi.com–don’t post it here. Welcome back.

  6. Tom, My Name is Lee Hatfield and I was with Team 37 from June 1964 until June 1965 and would very much like a DVD my address is 1949 Rock Springs Circle Denver NC 28037 let me know what the cost is
    .Thank you very much and I really enjoy reading what happened after I left. I also served two more tours in Vietnam…

    • Added you to my list Lee, no cost involved. Most of my photos are MACV Song Mao, few of Phan Thiet. But if this works, maybe we can centrally share photos.

  7. Yup that’s me and I’m living in Ottumwa again just moved back from New Mexico. And we did meet up in the VA hospital . I would like very much to get together sometime. I go to the VA hospital a lot lately, I’m retired so timing is not a big deal look forward to the chance to meet up again.

    • I’m retired also, and live in North Liberty, Iowa about 10 miles from the VA Hospital. Call me 319-430-8046. Be sure to leave a message if I don’t answer; I screen out telemarketers.

  8. Larry glad to see your back and doing well, I was in Song Mao 68-69 worked in the commo bunker under the water tower ,, switchboard, and radio’s .. Can close my eyes and see the entire compound. I ran into Tom at the VA Hospital in Iowa City. Been back again four operations in six months, but I’m still kicking. Wishing the best for you and your family.

    • Dennis, this is Tom Hyde SP5 Translator from the 41st Civil Affairs Team at Song Mao 1968-1969. I think I know you. Were you from Oskaloosa, Oceola, or Ottumwa, Iowa? Am I the Tom you met at the VA hospital in Iowa City? I live in North Liberty, only a few miles north of there? Obviously you are from Iowa if you were at the IC VA Hospital. Contact me and we’ll get together if possible, or if you are a patient, I can visit.

      Tom Hyde
      LearnCAD@mchsi.com
      (319) 430-8046 (Leave a message; I screen telemarketers)

  9. I was translator/interpreter for Civil Affairs Team 4 at Song Mao. You arrived at Hoa Da after they were his hard in late 1968; the MATS team RF interpreter for their team turned out to be an infiltrator killed by the satchel charge he used against his team. MACV, MATS, and CA would mount the gun jeeps at unscheduled intervals and race across the salt flats Rat Patrol style from Song Mao to spend a time at the beautiful beach at Phan Ri Cua.

    You certainly have recounted your stay well. Errors? Nha Trang

    Sp5 Thomas Hyde
    41st Civil Affairs Team 4, Song Mao, Binh Thuan
    1968-1969

  10. I was at the hotel Aug 70 through Aug 71…worked in comcenter there…also ratt rig towards end of tour…thanks for your comments…

    • at song mao 54th sig bt nha trang hg for macv coom center then toc. made sgt then sent to dste 13 at song mao. can anybody tell me what happen to mst crown. he was in charge of rf an pf? be nice to get phone call 540-572-2470. larry seaman

  11. Great memory by you..my OCS class was 2 May 68… I was with Team 7 41st CA…stayed at the Hotel from July 68 to July 69…

  12. Khue ,I was there before 69 I left August of 66. It’s still worth it to take your son to Phanthiet ,just because the hotel is no longer there there’s still a lot of things to see. I haven’t been there for two years now but the last time I was there the airstrip was still there. It may not be now though as I know the go to. Wants to develop that area. But first I think they will have to move the graveyard.
    As far as finding your friend try Facebook or vet finders . I really haven’t had much success with either but that’s all I know.
    We are a lot older now and so much has changed there you wouldn’t believe it . If you do decide to go let me know I know a lot of the area there. Perhaps we could meet up there. My email is
    BSA500113w@gmail.com

    • Jim when you were in Phan Thiet in 65/66 do you remember a Vietnamese Interpreter named Jimmy Yen or a LT Melsheimer the Senior Advisor was Lt Col Perkins? ( I may have asked you this same question before, If I did sorry about that).

  13. Hi, my name is Tracy Sunderlage, I was assigned to MACV TM 37 at Hoa DA from September 1969 to February 1070 as is ADSA, I was a CAPT then. Been reading the stories about the NCO who when crazy on our team, it’s true, he left our compound and went into the village, had to go in and find him.
    Our DSA arrived in late September, name was MAJ Bledso, we had 7 officers and 4 NCO’s, plus we had two MAT teams, one in the compound and one out protecting a bridge. I have several names and a lot of photos. I was transferred to CORDS, knew CAPT Click real well, he was the DSA for TM 42, we came in the country together, he became the Aid to the DEP CORDS commander, stayed in country for 3 years, and married A VN. Came to my house in 1974, in Woodstock IL, soon after he left VN. I have never heard from him since then. I was told by the VA that most of my TM have past away, is that true? Would you or anyone know the truth? One more thing the Naval gun fire call sign was Mushy Couple 41, from the USS New Jersey, the Fire Direction Chief lives down here in Naples FL, he remembers me calling in blocking fires in 69.
    Tracy Sunderlage MAJ Ret.
    239-658-5466
    6397 Liberty st.
    Ave Maria FL 34142
    TL Sunderlage@gmail.com

    • Glad you made it home. I was the Dsa at MACV team 37 from June 68 until Nov 68 when I was moved to Prov Hq as the RF/Pf advisor. I have a lot of tal;es about Song Mao that I have tried to forget. I have thought a lot about what happened to Cookie, The District chief and others that I know well. I retired in 1975 at Ft Leavenworth. LTC Harlen Elliott.

      • Harlem, thanks for the reply, sorry I am late in getting back to you, just had pre-op, will have right shoulder surgery this coming Monday. Also I am recovering from two spine fusion surgeries. As for Song Mao, we use to take the whole team up there and we played a killer basketball game once a month. The price was for booze for a week! We use to sit on our team house and watch the fire works at Song Mao, it seem the VC alternated between us and you guys. Our District Chief was a ARVN ABN LTC, kinda of a hard guy, what interest me is that we never knew why the whole team got replaced in September 69? When I got there we work our buts off rebuilding and filling sand bags, it paid off, we kick some but but also paid the price. I retired in 83, after spending most of my time in the Airborne and SF.
        Talk to you soon. Thanks
        Tracy Sunderlage

    • Tracy,

      I remember calling Mushy Couple when I had radio duty at Song Mao in 1968. Mushy Couple saved us many times. Until MACV had enough radio operators to handle shifts, the EM from our 41st Civil Affairs Team stood duty. Talked to Whiskey Mountain relay station during the night to stay awake or call in gunships. Where was Whiskey? I always assumed it was between Song Mao and Phan Thiet.

      A MACV sergeant went berserk and tried to shoot me point blank with an M3 my first week in Song Mao. Later he shot up the compound with an AK before passing out. Sent back to Phan Thiet on first chopper.

      Hoa Da was overrun and destroyed in 1968. The MATS team were in their hooch and spotted their Vietnamese interpreter running for them but were surprised when he tossed a satchel charge at them. Obviously an infiltrator, the charge misfired blowing him up but still did major damage to the wall. VC ran through shooting anyone who moved. One MATS member, still groggy lay still as Charlie shot him, the bullet piercing his wallet harmlessly. We helped rebuild Hoa Da’s fortifications and when Charlie returned a couple months later it was a phu-gas and Cobra turkey shoot.

      I recently found my best friend and team medic, Mike Albert, alive and well in Oakland. Visited him last summer. He would have still been with the 41st in 1969, under the command of Capt. Greiner or later Capt. Pandolfo. My team chief Lt. Shigekawa died in 2006 from cancer. Other LTs were injured and sent home or are still alive. Our team mechanic Larry Dowty builds and races stock cars in Tacoma.

      I would be interested in sharing photos.

      SP5 Tom Hyde, Translator/Interpreter
      41st Civil Affairs Team 4
      Song Mao, Binh Thuan, RVN

      thyde@kirkwood.edu

      • Tom, I am having shoulder surgery this coming Monday, been doing pre-op etc… now I understand why the compound was so new when I got there in September 69. It was always crazy seeing the firer works go on up at Song Mao, whiskey Mountain was our call sign, we relayed message south on the new AM radio, which didn’t work most of the time!! Talk to you again soon.
        Tracy Sunderlage

  14. Monica Huband Cook, hi just to let you know your father was a good man. He had a lot of heart and during that time that was a hard thing to find in anyone. I really admired him & will never forget him. I believe I have an old picture of him and would like to give it to you as he was your dad after all.
    My email is bsa500113w@gmail.com

  15. Jim, were you in Phan Thiet or Song Mao? We had a CA Team in Phan Thiet also; you’d remember Lt. Caruso if you’d met him.

    Yes, I’m sure I met Carl Gorder on trips through Phan Thiet and I have visited his web page. David Gunn from 41st CA goes back there frequently, usually backpacking alone, but this last time he took some friends. From what I see on Facebook from friends in VN and what David Gunn shares with teammates, I would believe the changes–but then it’s been 50 years. We should have gone in there with Coca-Cola, Ford Motor Company, and WalMart in the first place so they’d never be interested in Communism.

    The reunion was mostly officers and they already know each other; few enlisted men and no one from my team although I know the medic is in Oakland and the mechanic is in Tacoma. Many teammates are long gone by now.

    I have photos of some Phan Thiet people, but I think they were on the CA Team. I have many photos on a DVD that I can copy and send, there is a 41st Civil Affairs Facebook page you could follow. I’m not sure how to go about linking up and sending objects. I suppose addresses on this site are not secure. My email is: LearnCAD@mchsi.com. drop me an email and we’ll exchange mailing addresses and photos.

  16. Hey Tom…you are better with the computer…see if you can find Francis Bauer…be nice to find him…I think I told you he was in my OCS Class at Benning…also was from New Castle PA which is across the Ohio State line near Youngstown where I’m from…Good luck

  17. Tom, none of those names are familiar to me but interested in the pictures . Maybe the reunion
    Sounds interesting though. Did you by any chance know Carl Gorder? He has a good website
    Called ” Vietnam once” I have some pictures posted on there. Have been back there many times
    Since the end of the war , you wouldn’t believe how much it’s changed.
    I didn’t really know anyone from the 41st only knew personnel from adv team 37

  18. Jim, the 41st Civil Affairs is having their annual reunion next year in the San Francisco-Chico area. Mike Albert lives in Oakland near the Fruitvale BART exit and still works at the Post Office. Lee Livingston, David Gunn, and a few others from 41st CA live in the area also. I have Song Mao and Phan Thiet photos to share if you are interested.

  19. Tom ,thanks for the information and also reminding me I’m a lot older now. At that time I was 18 years old
    Now pushing 70 . Doc was older perhaps 35 or 40. He was a good person that cared about what he had
    To do. I was with him constantly but never got to know his first name.
    Have to face the fact he’s more than likely gone by now. Didn’t think it was that long ago , the time
    Has gone by so fast I can’t believe it. You mentioned that you saw a medic friend of yours in Oakland
    I don’t live too far from there . I live in Lathrop ca. About a 45 minute drive from there.
    Again thanks for the info

    • The 41st Civil Affairs Company is having their 6th or 7th annual reunion near San Francisco this summer. You should crash the party! I’d be great to meet. A few other 41st members live in the SF-Oakland area.

  20. I was just wondering if anyone remembers Doc Huband in the team 65 & 66 ? If anyone has his contact info or even just his first name so I can try to look him up on Facebook I would appreciate it. He was one of the only people that earned my respect back then from the team. Haven’t really been Abe to find any one else from that time except one person & we really didn’t know each other when there.
    If Doc is still alive would really like to see him again

    • Good news, no Huband is listed on The Wall. I located an article about Sgt. Dick Huband posted in several newspapers; The Eugene Register-Guard dated Sunday April 3, 1966, The Daily Telegram from Eau Claire, Wisconsin, and The Bridgeport Post from Bridgeport, Connecticut,The Cincinnati Enquirer from Cincinnati, Ohio, and more. See attached link. The Eugene article mentions his wife and children in Richmond, Virginia. The article also mentions he worked as a medical aide for Lyndon B. Johnson, and requested the Lakeside (Richmond) Lions’ Club for donations; an Albert L. Huband, Jr. is listed in their archives, maybe a relative. Doc probably was a member of the LIons’ Cl

      Also here is a Richmond woman who must be his mother passed away. Richard V. Huband is listed as a son, his (younger) brother was Albert L. Huband Jr., a member of the Lions’ Club mentioned ab

      Died at a local hospital Saturday, December 20, 1969, Mrs. Susie Mae William Huband of 6655 Walmsly Blvd. She is survived by her husband, Arthur Lee Huband, Sr.; five sons, Richard V., Arthur L., Jr., Sonny L., Max, and Billie G.; five daughters, Mrs. Ruth E. Moore, Mrs. Grace L. House, Mrs. Mary F. Lindsey, Mrs. Sue M. Newton, Mrs. Brenda J. Renshaw; one sister, Mrs. Lillian Wyatt; 27 grandchildren and three great-grandchildren, all of Richmond.

      Funeral service will be from the Church of God, 6517 Walmsley Blvd., Tuesday, December 23, 11 a.m. Interment at Maury Cemetery. Remains are at L.T. Christian Funeral Home, Blvd. and Patterson.

      RICHMOND TIMES-DISPATCH
      TUESDAY, DECEMBER 23, 1969

      This summer, I finally found and visited my medic buddy from Song Mao in Oakland, California. Hope you find Doc or his relatives; if he was 45 in 1966, he is probably about 95 these days..

      Tom Hyde
      Translator/Interpreter
      41st Civil Affairs Team 4
      Song Mao, Binh Thuan RVN
      LearnCAD@mchsi.com

    • James, I found this on Facebook about an incident involving MSgt. ‘Doc’ Richard V. Huband after he left Vietnam and was reassigned to Fort Greely, Alaska.

      The Army has issued four communiques concerning VX Lake. There are some significant discrepancies in these four accounts. Careful analysis reveals something of the manner in which the Army’s cumbersome bureaucracy manages to cloud critical questions. (Because information about this incident is not readily available to the public, all four statements are included in Appendix C, pp. 148-163).

      In the June 5, 1970 “news scoop” release, the Army’s legislative liaison hastened to assure Congress that “during the entire operation no lethal chemical agent was released into the atmosphere, and no personnel were exposed to the agents.” This information contradicted firsthand accounts of possible nerve gas exposure I had come across while investigating rumors about the lake. In response to my specific questions about a possible nerve gas exposure treated at the Fort Greely dispensary, the Army’s Test and Evaluation Command (TECOM) which is responsible for the Arctic Test Center at Fort Greely, gave me a report on one leaking nerve gas weapon and two possible exposures to nerve gas that occurred during the operation.

      The letter to which the TECOM report was attached was dated July 10, 1970. According to this report, Master Sgt. Richard V. Huband was assisting two other soldiers in removing a 105-mm shell containing nerve agent from the lake in July, 1969. The round was observed to be leaking and Sergeant Huband immediately put it back into the mud. Soon he developed a runny nose and a headache. As these are symptoms of nerve gas exposure, the report explained, Huband immediately injected himself with atropine, an antidote for nerve gas carried by all men working with the lethal agent. No formal report of the incident was made, but a blood sample check for cholinesterase was taken and processed at the Arctic Test Center laboratory. Results of the test showed a low cholinesterase level, indicating possible exposure. The day after the incident, the TECOM report stated, Huband showed no ill effects. [The second possible exposure mentioned in the report was a civilian chemist from Dugway, who was assisting in the project and who was treated as a possible exposure case in September 1969. He was held for twenty-four hour observation, but blood samples indicated no exposure.

      Physicians later decided that he had probably suffered simple heat prostration while wearing a heavy protective suit and gas mask. The report did not identify the circumstances in which the Dugway chemist was stricken.] The account of the leaking weapon handled by Sergeant Huband contradicted the Army’s June 5 assurances to Congress that the draining was carried out without leakage of gas or exposure of personnel. Which Army account was accurate? After a lengthy delay, on December 21, 1970 Col. Philo A. Hutcheson, Army legislative liaison, sent Senator Gravel what he termed a “final reply” to Gravel’s repeated inquiries about VX Lake. This account, based on TECOM’s investigation, substantiated the Army’s initial representation of the mishap. There was no reference to a leaking rocket or to possible exposure victims. But three months later the Army flip-flopped again and confirmed for Congress the information TECOM had provided me the preceding summer. This was done in a confidential letter sent in March 1971 to Democratic Senator Thomas J. McIntyre of New Hampshire, chairman of the Senate Armed Services Research and Development subcommittee, who had followed up Gravel’s lead and addressed further questions to the Army about VX Lake. The information was subsequently declassified and a post-final report sent to Senator Gravel July 2, 1971.

    • Hi there! My name is Monika Huband Cook. My dad was Richard V Huband. Your statement regarding my father brought tears to my eyes. Thank you for your kind words. Dad passed away in 2003 but not without a fight . So glad to hear from someone who knew him. I hope you are well.

  21. I had a high school friend who was KIA with C/2/7 Cav in Oct 66. His name was Robert Pitt and the fort was named for him. I returned to the site in 2015 and placed a memorial at the site of the old fort. It is owned by a Viet family who are police officers there. They graciously allowed us to do the service there and photograph the area. I have photos of the area and the old cart path off the main road running north out of Phan Thiet. I was assigned to Team 2 May of 67 to Apr 68.

    • Hmmmm. I was with Adv Tm 37 assigned to 1/44 Inf (ARVN) from Jul 66 to Oct 67. We (1/44) were on Ft Pitt most of the time I was there – and seems to me the place was named Ft Pitt before I arrived in Jul 66. We (1//44) did eventually relocate to Song Mao about 3/4 way through my tour.

  22. Maj Tyler’s went by Skip. He came through CGSC in about 72. I was assigned to the college as an instructor and later on the staff. I lost track of him after that. I was the District Sr Advisor at Song Mao, replacing Maj Pasco two days after he was captured and killed. Cpt Bridges was my assistant. Later Cpt Taylor replaced him. When I moved to Providence hq in late 68 Maj Williams became DSA. I later saw him at CGSC. I then became Prov Sr Advisor, left in summer of 69. Found my old note book a few days ago and did not want to open it, maybe someday. Enjoy the post on web pages. Always wonder what happen to Cookie and Maj Vaughn at Phan Ly Cham. They both had Junks packed and ready to go top sea if necessary. My bother -in-law has been back several times and said the beaches in that area now have luxury hotel and the MACV compound in Song Mao is a tour stop for tourist. I would like to go back some day but have CLL (bone marrow) cancer in beginning stated and cannot travel.

    • Ron, I don’t know how I remembered…I thick he and I and others got drunk in the bar upstairs one night while he went on about the paradise that was Texas. Next thing he was gone…big guy.

  23. Hello ‘Link’ Caruso..Rick Olson here. I recall Ed Pennington. Mid-day when we got word. We held a small memorial for him in the little courtyard/movie/snack bar area between the hotel and the tennis court. A pair of boots [his ?] on a table up front. I think he was a ftball player back in Tx. Short and sweet…then back to work.
    I’m still trying to find your photos on facebook. I’m not too good on the newer tech stuff. I’ll keep trying.

  24. You can still show your son but the city has changed so much you wouldn’t recognize it. Sure some places haven’t changed that much but if you haven’t been there for a long time will be hard .
    Would still be a good experience for him and you. Should try it , who knows you may bump into me and I could show you atound

    • Jim R: Rick Olson. Thanks for the quick observations. You can be sure that should I ever return, I’d gratefully ask that you to indulge this old man in his curiosity, your presence a great boon to me.
      The Catholic Church down the road to the airfield ? I spoke a bit of French and taught English to three or four nuns for a time. They had a school and orphanage. The whole bunch had moved south in ’54 after the split. They were terrified of the commy. The little nuns were eagerness itself to learn English.
      English instruction, taught in French in Phan Thiet, So. VN. C’est la guerre, C’est la vie.

  25. I left the hotel in July 69…. When available I played basketball every night …Ed ( Edward ) Pennington was a CPT that played and was killed in August 69… You can find his bio on the Wall websight… He was from TX… I have a rubbing of his name from the Wall…

    • I can now remember Cpt Pennington’s name, after all these years, thank G-d. I didn’t speak of people I knew and worked and associated with in Nam during the time I was there, Sep – Dec 68 Dong Ba Thin, Jan 69 to Apr 70, LZ Betty and MACV Tm 37, comm ctr. He loved playing basketball with all of us in the courtyard, really friendly, never pushed his rank around. He went out on a road clearing mission one day, I heard they came upon an overturned bus, he caught the first round of mortar fire. I remember the ceremony in the area where the movie screen was hitched up. Really sad. Thanks Ronald Caruso, for reminding me of him, for I could not remember his name to save my soul. There was another fella, a Buck Sgt from TM 37, whose name I also can’t remember. He worked as an ruff puff advisor in one of the nearby hamlets helping them establish defenses and civil affairs services. He, along with his team members were ambushed on a small convoy headed back to Tm 37. Their Vietnamese flank guards ran away, dropped their weapons and left them unprotected and overwhelmed. My friend died, and I don’t remember what happened to the others. I attended a small ceremony at the movie area, too, for him and his team. That one really hit me, b/c we’d become good friends and I was supposed to go join him for a while at his outpost if he had arrived back at Tm 37. I cannot remember his name, or the exact time frame he died. They were both brave men, and friends.

  26. Rick, I’m Jim Ratzlaff was there July 65. – August 66 the hotel is no longer there was taken down about 3 years ago and replaced by a bank.as of last year the airstrip (Lz Betty) was still there but over grown. Soon will be housing though its prime real estate so the Vietnamese will have to relocate the graveyard.
    Have been looking for others from my time there but with no success. Have only contacted one other person from then.
    I hope when I go again this coming new year the airstrip is still there . It’s a quiet place to do & collect your thoughts.

    • Jim,
      Rick Olson, 68/69. Thanks for the update of the MACV hotel in Phan Thiet. I spent most of my time in that building and had hoped to one day show my son. Now only the photographs. Mr. Nhung and all the folks who worked for us ? I thought I had almost a pang of regret the day I left, believe it or not. I’m afraid not long from now, if not already, that whole thing will be a footnote in some kid’s history book.

      • Jim, at that time, did you know Donald Rabbit, sergeant, who often drove from MACV hotel to airport; he returned to the USA about the end of 1969. How to find him?

    • A friend and I were walking alongside the graveyard on our way back into LZ Betty, and a mortar round fell right next to the outside of a gravemound right next to the road. The explosion blew both of us up into the air, but since it fell fell on the other side of the grave, all we got was the concussion and a lot dirt and mud. The MPs at the LZ gate saw us and rushed up to the explosion, we came to, and were taken to the 101st medics. I was really shaken up, had ringing in my ears for a couple of weeks, but otherwise, ok. I still think He was alongside me in Nam all the time!

  27. Ray, it sounds like you are describing Song Mao! Our .50 cal was atop the old commo bunker located at the south west end of the compound between the MACV hooch containing rooms, the bar, and tennis court and the building containing the mess hall. Who could forget Whiskey Mountain the only RT awake in the middle of the night. Whiskey would play music to help the other RTs stay awake. Mushy Couple, the two naval gunships standing offshore would deliver accurate and deadly rounds when things got tough. Bravo November was the prefix for our coordinates. Often we’d hunker down and give the gunships our own BN4996 coordinates and sort it out in the morning.

    RT at Song Mao was Mike(?) Putkowski from NY. Then a commo van moved in next to the mess hall with two RTs and advanced radio equipment. Two guys I seem to vaguely remember; one was Ray(?) from Ottumwa or Oskaloosa, Iowa. We used to sneak into Charlie country for a swim at the Phan Ri Cua beach–maybe you’d recognize those in the photos.

    Sp5 Thomas Hyde, Interpreter
    41st Civil Affairs Team 4, Song Mao
    LearnCAD@mchsi.com

    • No, we were at the hotel in downtown Phan Thiet. I also spent a few duty nights working commo at the governor’s palace across the river, close to the docks. At times we also worked at the LZ Betty. We used to go help on civil affairs missions into the villages around the city, too. Provided security for those missions, and also the fellas doing cable work between the province mission, the governor’s palace, and LZ Betty!

      • at the hotel in 70-71…worked in the little com center there, and later in rat rig…was also sniped at going through that grave yard one day headed back from Lz Betty…only went out to whiskey mountain one time…and that was enough…

      • Good to hear from you Dennis. I have photos of Song Mao and Phan Thiet to share. My email is LearnCAD@mchsi.com. Would like to hear from you again. Where do you live now? Our 41st Civil Affairs Team may be having another reunion in San Francisco area this summer. Went there last year to meet with recently discovered medic, team member from Song Mao, and best friend Mike Albert last summer after 46 years.

  28. Was the sergeant that went nuts at the Song Mao MACV? I only been there less than a month. In the middle of the night came a banging on our hooch door. Sitting closest to the door, I opened it to have a M3 greasegun shoved into my face and heard the bolt slam. I grabbed the barrel, sidestepped, and punched the visitor in the face. Still holding the barrel, I handed it to our newly arrived Lt. Francis Bauer figuring out since he was Infantry, he’d know how to unload it. I had only seen them in the movies up until that point.

    Bauer turned pale. Seems it had jammed the thickness of a nickel from killing me and spraying a burst of .45s into the LT sitting just behind me. We found I’d cold cocked a drunk MACV sergeant, E7 or E8. We called his buddies to take him home and secure his weapons. Still shaking Bauer and I sat down to consider how close we’d come. Ten minutes later, AK fire broke out in the center of the compound. Our hooch was taking hits so Bauer and I scrambled for cover; the rest of the team was at the MACV bar or sleeping.

    I took a defensive position behind our door barricade with my M-14 and waited for my eyes to adjust to the dark. It was the sergeant again, cursing and shooting at the buildings or anything that moved. I aimed at his knee, an easy 50 foot distance target and considered my next move. Fortunately, the sergeant passed out. This time, my 41st Civil Affairs Team took charge strapping him into his bunk and confiscating all weapons in his room.

    The next morning, MACV airlifted him out never to return. Seems he had family problems and his drinking problem didn’t help. MACV and MATS were pissed we did not return their weapons. I kept the AK-47, AK-50, and an M2 folding-stock .30 caliber carbine. That M-3 Bauer carried throughout his tour and it never jammed although he fired it frequently.

    • That might have been the same top Sgt that also went nuts at the Tm 37 main entrance. He came up to the guard on duty and cold cocked him with a handgun. He then took the machine gun and ordered everyone close by to stand at attention in front of the gate (I was one of them), and held us at bay, training the machine gun at us, threatening to shoot anyone that moved. One of the MACV officers came over as a sort of negotiator, and after much talk, the top Sgt finally gave up. He was stinking drunk and wild minded! He was sent to a hospital somewhere, for treatment, and finally sent home. He was apparently months from retiring, so was allowed to retain his rank, as we were told. He had been brought in from the field, where we were told he had apparently assaulted his men first.

  29. Sorry ,I was gone long before that time. But rest assured you can be proud of him. Sorry for your loss

    • Dave,

      Donald Prater is listed on The Wall. In the address bar just type in The Wall and select the Vietnam Wall page.

      You will note on the additional comments page there is his buddy from Tennessee, Lester Ashby’s name and email address. I don’t know if it is a good address, but the name should always be a place to start.

      Binh Thuan is a large province, Team 37 was at Phan Thiet and Team 41 (or 42, I think) was at Song Mao. So, when MACV Binh Thuan is listed, it could be anywhere there or in between. I left Song Mao in mid 1969 just before the new firebase was constructed and all hell broke loose so I probably did not meet Donald. Lester although, seems to be very knowledgeable about Donald by the specific information he gives. I have some photos of the new firebase at Song Mao; email me if you are interested.

      ————–From The Wall——————
      Lester D. Ashby
      lesterashby@bellsouth.net
      war buddy
      On the 4th of July, 1970 In BINH THUAN, SOUTH VIETNAM, we were attacked in our small fire support base by hostile forces of the north vietnam army and their vc support force, my BEST friend DONALD HAROLD PRATER was mortally wounded, and died later when he was on route on a MED VAC flight to a medical hospital….they list him as passing on the 5th but he was hurt on the 4th. He paid the ultimate price for our freedom…He was a cool guy from EL CERRITO, CA, who helped a country boy from TN. settle his nerves about being a ‘newbee’ in the Infantry in Vietnam, he started there in 69′ and knew his way around there by the time I got there, he had been there over 6 months before he was 20 yrs old..I try not to be sad on our Independence day, but sometime it makes us all sad for the ones we lost but they were not lost in vain, the highest honor you can pay is to give your life for your fellow man, all are in the hands of GOD now, bless them and their family and thank you for giving your all!
      Jul 4, 2013
      —————————————————
      Good luck finding more information, and perhaps photos from Lester.

      Thomas Hyde, Sp5 Translator/Interpreter
      41st Civil Affairs Team 4
      Song Mao, Binh Thuan, RVN
      LearnCAD@mchsi.com

      • I was the Maintenance Advisor to the ARVN DF site at Song Mao from 66-69. We (S-3 Advisory 509th Radio Research Gp.) Had one site advisor that lived with the advisory team. I made monthly and emergency maintenance trips via Wallaby Airlines or Air America. If I my memory does not fail me the team was 37B. I still miss cookies meals.
        SFC Amos Hicks Jr. (Ret.)

        Date: Wed, 4 May 2016 13:01:14 +0000
        To: amoshicksjr@msn.com

        • I remember you, but I did not know many MACV guys that well. I remember the radio operator was Sp4 Putkowski and who could forget Cookie’s meals. I never got tired of the reconstituted split pea soup and spam sandwiches we had every day for lunch. The Saturday steaks were a treat. Everyone got 2 sirloin or ribeye steaks grilled on the barbeque just in front of the mess hall. Choppers from all over would land at our helipad so they could pay off-post rations charge for Cookie’s steaks.

          I stole Cookie’s 5-gallon tin of pepper and made him promise he would not encrust every steak with pepper though. Once I took two large tins of Spam to Phan Ri Cua and traded them with the shrimp fishermen for prawns. Cookie cooked prawns for dinner and they were fabulous–2 would fill a dinner plate.

  30. I was security, spent most of my time out with Doc. Huband & out with the junk fleet when they went on night patrol . That I really liked. It’s funny but didn’t really get to know many people that stayed in your building. I was in the one on the corner & the only time I ever went there was to eat or be on guard duty in the sandbag bunker you mentioned.
    Don’t you think it’s kind of weird that we are speaking to others we served with that long ago. I thought
    Dahlman got killed but wasn’t really sure .

  31. OK you were there, but after me. As in the case of another person I’ve talked to things & faces have
    Changed. He was there prior to me. If you want to see the people in the team before you arrived
    Check our a website ( Vietnam once by Carl gorder ) has a lot of info plus some pictures I sent to
    Him.
    I still live with the time back there ,can deal with it now. Have been back many times & now own
    A house near the beach at Muine appx. 18 kilometers from Phanthiet . You would be amazed how much
    It’s changed since we were there.
    Met my wife there after we lifted the travel restrictions to Vietnam around 1988. Since then life has
    Been a real adventure.
    I,m. Glad you made it back safely & wish you the best. We both have Phanthiet in common so if
    There’s anything you want to know about it now just ask

    • James, although you began your tour at #37 prior to me, it seems that your tour overlapped my arrival by a couple of months. What was your assignment?
      Also, Dalman was still the Team CO at time of my arrival, and don’t recall him as being killed during my tour.

  32. Are you sure you were in advisory team 37? I don’t recall any of those names & we
    Didn’t have a cook to my knowledge except for a Vietnamese named tommy.
    My CO name was Col. Dalman. & second in command was Maj. Miller
    I think Dalman was killed right after I left

    • James, believe me, although I’ m old now my memory is intact. By the way, I now recall that the name of the Sargeant in charge of Security was Bains and not Byrnes. The MACV cook, Sgt.Kelly was a tall slender Black gentleman who probably was in his mid-40′. Our source of clean water was a huge rubber “bladder” that was on the roof of the main compound. I also have photos taken in front of the main compound located mid-block, we had a lot of old oil barrels (painted beige) placed along the entire block. Sometimes during the Monsoon season we walk on the barrels to keep our fatigues from getting wet. In front of the main compound was a guard tower that allowed for better vision of street in both directions. There was an open air fruit/vegetable market approximately one block from compound. #2 that located at the corner. Early morning you would always hear a local man call out ” mai doi” as he peddled the Vietnamese bread. I could go on and on, however, I would think you’re now saying I guess he was at #37. Take care.

      • That was French bread. Here in El Paso, Texas that bread style is called ‘pan frances, bolillo {pronounced bo- li-yo}, or birote! In Nam i had to open it, pull out the bugs, but it made great sandwich bread! And cheap, too! Man, memories of Team 37, not just the attacks, but the getting to know another culture, although most of those people were quite poor! Always had to be careful, too!

    • I was typing too fast regarding walking on the barrels. Monsoon rains left the street flooded, and therefore walked the barrels to keep our boots and bottom of fatigues from getting soaked due to the poor drainage.

  33. I left I’m August of 66. I don’t remember any of those names you listed. I wish I would have extended
    My tour then wouldn’t have been assigned to Ft. Polk

    • Although you subsequently were assigned to Ft. Polk, I’m certain your decision not to extend was the right decision. By the way, I also was assigned to Ft. Polk following my tour. Upon arrival at Polk there wasn’t a real “need” for us, and we were given duties of chopping down trees for about two weeks. Following that “duty” I was provided a manual ( about half the size of a city telephone directory), given one week to familiarize myself with the various mines (M1/A1 anti-tank mines, Claymore mine, etc) and subsequently was placed with the AIT Committee for providing instructions to those preparing for service in Vietnam Nam. I did that for three months before receiving a 90-day drop for attending college ( the drop would coincide with start of enrollment) . I failed to mention names of a couple others were also at MACV 37; a rather tall Black guy with a shaved head named Hawkins, the MACV Cook who I believe was named Kelly, and a comical short white Sargeant named Ciccolo, also a rather heavy Italian guy in communications (whose name escapes me as well as the Black Sargeant who was in charge of communications when I came there in June.

      • Hey Donald, My name is Bob Pearson…I was AirForce Forward Air Control radio operator. I roomed with Sgt Ciccolo on the 1st floor; Aug ’65 to Aug ’66.

      • Just when I arrived at Tm 37, we had a tall black Sargent in charge of our comm center. He had been there about 4 tours, and was due to permanently DEROS. He went AWOL instead, and I was there for about 15 months, and I never heard he came back or was found. I always wondered about him. He fell in with some Vietnamese woman, and I guess he couldn’t take her back home with him.

  34. Glad to know that there still some of us who survived our “tour” of Viet Nam. My name is Donald Bonds, and was assigned to MACV 37 from June 1966-May 1967. Initial assignment was as Security, however, when replacements weren’t timely sent for the communications detail, I was quickly given OJT to begin in that assignment. Among the names I remember were were other PFC’s or Spec 4′, Cleveland Clay, Larry Sweeney, Howard Broom, Harry Scott, Sgt. Bethel, SFC Hall, Major Alfred Cade ( later promoted to Lt. Colonel) Sgt. Byrnes ( in charge of Security), a guy from Los Angeles last named Jones, a guy from Pliladelphia named Holmes, and a mean SOB named Major Thompson. Bethel was killed while out on operations supporting ARVN, and Clay extended his tour several times after having fell in love with a local lady. Again, glad we all survived the madness of those times.

    • I was @ MACV Tm 37, but with Co D, 36th Sig Bn, attached to the Team. I worked in the commo room, by the main entrance, Jan 69 thru Apr 70. I remember a black Sgt (E6 or E7) who went AWOL because of a Vietnamese woman he was crazy about. He was on his 4th tour and had to go back home and couldn’t take the woman with him. By the time I left, he had still not been found!

    • I was with Adv Tm 37 from Jul 66 – Sep 67 — but raarely spent a night at the Phan Thiet compound. I and my Sr Advisor were assigned to the 44th Infantry and our “home” was at Ft Pitt. Still, we were required to pay the mama-san fees for housekeeping. But paid for meals individually because we almost NEVER ate at the compound. Adv Tm 37 bird-dogged our mail to us by L-19 and dropped to us at Ft Pitt about once a week. The rest of the time we were on S&D missions throughout the area – and even spent a couple of weeks in the Song Mao and Dai Quay area. About the only guy I remember from the MACV Compound was named Crews and he was with the ATC group serving the airfield – a really good guy.

  35. I left country April 72 shortly after being shot up in an LZ west of Phan Thiet. I was with the 192ahc before the 201st. Happy Vietnam Veterans Day

  36. The last 43 years have been a ride, I got 16000 hours in helicopters and retired in 2012 after a motorcycle accident. I would like to talk sometime

  37. I would like any one that was stationed in Phan Thiet from May 64 to Jun 65 to contact me at lhatfieldsr@yahoo.com. One of the Senior Advisors was Major Vernon B. Lewis Jr (retired as a LT Gen). Thank you kindly Lee Hatfield

  38. This may be a long shot but maybe you gentleman can help. I’m trying to chase down some people who new my uncle, Jeffery Lynn Davis SPC4 (kia April 16th 1970). My uncle was a cannon crewmember with the “1st Field Force”, he was 19 at the time of his death in Binh Thuan. From what I have obtained he was in mortar alley when his platoon came in contact.

    Like my uncle, I followed the foot steps of military service. I was a combat medic in which I served a combat tour in Kirkuk Iraq in 2005 with the 506th ECES Force Protection ISAF. Any information or direction would be helpful.

  39. Does anyone stationed at Song Mao or Ba Loc recall when a POWs (Sgt. Martin–326th Engineers with TF 3-506th) walked into the compound in mid 1968? We (3-506th) spent weeks searching for him. If you any information on him, please contact me.

    Jerry Berry
    3-506th Airborne
    Vietnam 1967-68
    LZ Betty

    • I’ll ask the 41st Civil Affairs medic and the team chief at that time if they know. It must have happened just as I DEROSed.
      Where was the compound he walked into, Song Mao?

  40. Dear Gentlemen
    My name is VAN (born 1946) (Sgt Van) an interpreter in Phan Thiet, MACV 37. 1968- July 1970
    Late 1968 I was assigned to work for Ltc Colin, I was in Phan thiet hotel, my room was on the second floor right on the left of the stairs.
    In March 1969′ Maj Duke, Senior advisor of Ham thuan district assigned me to work for 1lt Micheal A Mallory, S2 advisor then Cpt Halcomb till July 1970 I transferred to MACV 42 Qui Nhon while I was in Phan thiet I went on search missions with many advisors such as Cpt Glick, Cpt Otto, Maj Jackson, Sgt Spencer, RTO SP4 Steve etc…
    I would like very much to communicate with those of you who stationed in Binh Thuan,Ham Thuan district.Here is my contact information:junglepham@yahoo.com.vn.
    If anyone out there could help to guide me it would be appreciated.

    • Van , I was in advisory team 37 in Phanthiet from July 1965 to August 1966. Perhaps we may have knew each other , was security at that time was always out with doc. Husband in the villages. I remember some names from that time of the Vietnamese security and would really like to find out what ever happened to them.

      • Jim, I was with Team 37 from May 64 to Jun 65, do you remember any of the team members names when you got there. They were expecting something big to happen before the end of the year, did any thing happen? Major Vernon B. Lewis Jr was the Senior Advisor at the time I left. He went on to retire as Lt Gen. I am a retired MSG now retired in 1981.

        • Lee,
          I have a unit picture with names on it ,but most of them arrived the same time in Vietnam as I did.give me a few days and will send you the names I do remember . My contact info is. Bsa500113w@gmail.com
          Some names off hand are Doc. Husband ,major Miller,let.col Dahlman do have a long list just send me your email address. Warning though will probably be the ranks and last names

        • Lee,
          I have a unit picture from that time ( with names ) I was there a little later than you were but perhaps
          You will remember some of the faces. Only a few things of any mention happened when I was there
          But don’t remember the dates.
          We were ambushed by a sizable unit about 15 – 20 miles north of Phanthiet on highway 1 at the end of
          The action had 200 vc bodies we counted ( wasn’t a good day for them) as I was always with Doc. I
          Was treating wounded & getting them to our airstrip so they could be airlifted out to Saigon. I still dream about it now. Another time is our airstrip got mortared a lot of damage as hit the fuel tanks.
          You can contact me via e- mail bsa500113w @ gmail.com
          Another source you may get a lot of info from is Vietnam once by Carl gorder you will see
          Some pictures I sent him of phanthiet

    • Van,
      For some reason your name sounds familiar to me, it’s been along time so could be wrong. But
      Anyway I tried your contact info & I can’t get through to your e- mail . If you want my contact info
      Is. Bsa500113w @ gmail.com . Will try to help you if you wish.

    • The ARVN @ Tm 37 (Jan 69 – Apr 70 my time there) had a half Vietnamese, half Korean Sgt, we used to call “Killer” b/c he could beat the crap out of 10 people at a time, and promptly proved it one night when he was drunk. He drank a lot and hated his squad members. They ganged up on him one night, and he laid them all out, went and drank some more, and went back and beat up on them some more! Haven’t ever seen that again!

  41. 11/13/2015 Harlen Elliott, thank you for your tip on Maj Tyler. Ironically, I became involved with the Adv Tm 37, site by recalling a nick name at a distance of some forty years…”Link” [Ron Caruso, Lt. Civil Affairs]
    Funny..What we remember! My thanks, again.

    • In the early part of 72 I was assigned to the 201 avn co supporting Macv tm 37. I remember going out to the island Long Hai on Sundays for R&R. We would frag fish and have cook outs right on the beach. Anyone else there then?

      • Hey Mike , I was also with the 201 st Aviation company’ from July of 1972 until March 27 , 1973. Phan Thiet and team 37 was were I spent most of my flight time why serving as a door gunner. I was there on January 26 ,1973 when H troop 10 th Air Cav lost Robert Frankes. I have pictures I took at the time. Hope the last 43 years have been good for you. Welcome home !

  42. Harlen Elliott….Many thanks for your acknowledgement. Should I presume that since you knew him in the ’70s, that Maj Tyler made it through? Perhaps you could remember his first name. It would help to locate him via the West Point records. I had the greatest respect for him and would be gratified to salute him personally. In any case, my thanks to you and I extend best wishes. Rick Olson Tm #37..’68-’69.

    • Rick, I lost track of him when he left CGSC. We called him “Skip”, do not remember his first name.Harlen

    • Rick Olson – I don’t recall your name, but then,I didn’t talk about my time in Nam for about 25 years, so I forgot many names and events! I’m sorry I did that

  43. Does anyone remember a VN national who worked in the Phan Thiet MACV hotel “PX” in 1966 – 67?
    Her name was Nguyen Thi Nai. (She was young, 18 -20). Often wondered what became of her.

    • Like so many that worked or were acquainted with Americans, contacting them can only bring grief to those under the latest regime. I would avoid using their full name in public posts.

      Spec. 5 Translator, 41st Civil Affairs Team 4 Song Mao, Binh Thuan, RVN Tom Hyde LearnCAD@mchsi.com (319) 430-8046

      • “I would avoid using their full name in public posts.”

        You would? Thanks for the advice.

        OK, does anyone who served with Team 37 remember a VN national who worked in the Phan Thiet MACV hotel “PX” in 1966 – 67? Her name was “Jane Doe”. (She was young, 18 -20)

        • Any one remember Fred Shaver who ran psychological warfare office where they printed up the chu hoi leaflets? Remember the really pretty secretary he had on the right as you walked through the door? I was married to her and brought her back stateside. I should have listened to all the guys warning me about marrying her. DUH was my middle name.

        • Cap,

          It’s been a long time since we knew people in VN and passions have simmered down since then for most. As a translator I had many friends outside my military role but I’d not mention their real names today solely because their association with Americans might be a stigma even today. I hope I’m wrong, but I’m still cautious.

          I remember when our supply chopper clipped the LZ Betty wire and lost our beer and mail forcing me to go to Phan Thiet on a chopper. One sweet thing in the PX burst out in tears because she did not have the 6-year Scotch I asked for, only in her words “stale 8-year stuff”, I calmed her down and assured her I’d gladly pay a buck extra for the “stale” Scotch.

          • Tom,
            I kind of think you’re wrong about the stigma of associating with the Americans at this day and time. My wife’s father was a vc back then and he and myself both know that the war was over years ago. He doesn’t blame me as he knows I was just following orders from our government. I don’t hold anything against him as he was doing the same. We were both caught in a conflict but it wasn’t our choice.
            We never speak about back then , has not been forgotten but we have forgiven and moved on. The younger generation doesn’t even know about it as they never lived it. True it’s still best to be careful mentioning people’s names but I don’t really think it’s necessary.

            • I agree with Jim. I have been back to Vietnam twice, in 2013 and 2015. We met a man on the first trip who was an translator with the 196LIB and another who was a Kit Carson scout. Both acknowledged that they are discriminated against due to their former association with the us, but they do OK. One has a home in Tam Ky and his family seem well. He even traveled to the US for a 196th reunion last year. Over 60% of the folks in Vietnam are too young to remember the war and those that do have forgiven. We had lunch one day in a restaurant owned by a former NVA near Cu Chi. She was very pleasant and accommodating. All the people were very friendly and seemed genuinely interested in talking with us about their lives and how the US is. I think the government of Vietnam knows who is who, but is more interested in creating commerce than punishing people anymore. That being said, it is still a communist country. We were run off when we tried to visit the former site of Camp Holloway and again at the old airbase at Cam Rahn. Even in Hanoi we were treated with respect and interest. Ed Thacher

            • That is relief to hear the war is fading from memories and people are so forgiving. I’d hoped we’d be remembered for the wells, bridges, and schools we helped build. I was in Germany in 1961-1964 and even after 20 years many Germans hated Americans and vice versa, U.S.military in particular: but then we were the occupying army. Maybe that is why I’m so cautious. Good to know your side of the story Jim.

  44. Steve…Sorry, I cannot remember ‘Hotel 1’, but not to worry..I can’t recall breakfast this am. The bar at the hotel was right next to our mess hall on the top, third floor..french fourth floor]. In an effort to make the place more homey, I sent letters to all the US beer companies I could think of, explaining our situation. In a month, six weeks [?] or so, we received an avalanche of napkins, signs, coasters, etc. I’d bet Charlie is still using that stuff [or selling it].
    The stench you mention was rotting fish, to make nuoc mam, fish sauce, the best produced in VN..number 1. That and the French sewer system. Responsibility for the hotel covered a gamut of services, not the least of which was the sewers. The combination of aromas dwarfed anything I’ve experienced before or since. These are the “war-stories” I tell my son.
    Best of luck…Rick Tm #37, ’68-’69.

    • Thanks Rick, I did my web search using Mat team II-27 ,which was right. When Phant Thiet /Hoa Da turned up only the team 37 I thought it was that I was wrong. But it turns out I remembered right, just no results. Threw me.
      Thank you for taking time. God bless-all the best.
      Steve Absher

    • Rick,
      Thank for taking time to reply. I got it right finally, I was right at first it was Mat team II-27. When search results for Phan Thiet/ Hoa Da only retuned 37 it threw me. Hoa Da was a small outpost. Thanks again for the reply.
      Wish the Best,Blessings
      .

      • Steve Absher,

        I was translator/interpreter for the 41st Civil Affairs Team 4 in Song Mao in 1968-69. I remember Hoa Da; it was just down the road south of Song Mao. Fact is, it was on the only road out of Song Mao, linking up with Highway 1. There was a particularly terrible attack there Wednesday September 18, 1968,

        Were you with the MATS team in Song Mao or Hoa Da? I’ve documented some incidents, but I’d like to compare notes.

  45. Thanks for the reply, I had the mat team in Hoa Da and got to the hotel a few times. Do you remember Hotel 1? That was my call sign. My first flight in into Phan Thiet I was shocked by the smell, that hit about 200 feet up. Can recall a bar to relax a bit, and a field hospital near by where I was treated for dysentery before rotating.
    Glad you are back and still active.
    Steve Absher

  46. Hello Steve, Rick Olson, MACV Tm #37, Nov ’68 to Nov ’69. I was Cpt who ran the hotel in Phan Thiet, sent supplies to sub-sectors, Song Mao, Hoa Da, Tuy Phong. I know that hotel like the back of my hand, still. Relative calm after Tet, early ’68. Ltc Vincent then Ltc Robinson. Wonder whatever happened to Maj Tyler, exec W Pointer? Tennis anyone?
    Lot of “water under the bridge” since then.
    I eventually returned to Chicago [west ‘burbs].
    Hope all’s well with you and yours, Steve

    • Rick, Maj Tyler was in the CGSC course at Ft Leavenworth in the 70’s while I was stationed at the College. Have not heard any more since then. I was the DSA at Song Mao in 68 and part of 69, I then moved to Prov as the RF/Pf advisor, Maj Tyler and I roomed together.

    • I keep trying to remember the name of a Captain who used to play basketball all the time in the courtyard after patrols. He was one of the most popular officers I ever knew. He bought it on a road clearing patrol as he approached an overturned bus. I remember the service conducted for him (sometime in 69). Anyone remember his name!

    • Well your the guy I need to thank for the supplies for Song Mao 68-69 and yes who can forget Tet 68

    • Hello Rick:

      I was the LT that took over the detachment ,mess, postal, security and supply duties after you left. I was originally assigned to a MAT in Thien Giao district where the DSA was Major Kelly. When I arrived at province headquarters in December 1969 the Province Senior Advisor was a civilian, Dan Leaty. The Assistant Senior Advisor was LTC Robinson.

      Milo

      • Hello [Lt] Milo….It was great to hear from you. That hotel & room on the 3rd flr [FR-2nd] was home from Nov ’68 to Nov ’69. Was Mr. Nhung still there? Some pic of compound on Carl Gorder site.” Viet nam Once”‘. Currently, I’m 73 yrs old & in the family business in Wheaton, a west suburb of Chicago.
        I’d be happy to hear about you.
        Fondest Wishes

        • December 9, 2017

          Yes, Mr. Nhung was still there. One day the big reefer unit stopped working while I was away for two days. I had put two wastepaper baskets of lobster in the reefer before I left (with the keys) so the inside of the reefer was really ripe by the time I got back. The walls were crawling with maggots. Mr. Nhung said he would clean it (hose it) out, but could not because of the smell. Since I do not have a sense of smell, I cleaned it out and Mr. Nhung was impressed and big time grateful. In fact, he invited me to his family home for dinner one evening.

          Sometime after you left we got a new Assistant Senior Advisor who was infantry. We thought this was a good change until we figured out this guy was a drinker. The junior enlisted referred to him as “road map” because his eyes looked liked major arterials. Worse was that he tried to make decisions in the radio tower when he was under in the influence putting our teams in the field under greater risk.

          I will look for some pictures of the compound on Carl Gorder’s site. Yeah, I am right behind you again, and will turn 73 in a few days.

          More another time,

          Milo

          • Hello Milo, Thanks for your reply. Your being at that hotel in Phan Thiet effects me at this stage of the game. That whole experience I had filed long ago into a “Rick Olson solitary” “file” in my memory. I’ve tried over these many years to explain to folks that I wasn’t directly involved in the Bang/Bang, Shooting kind of war, that I ran a hotel for our team. Anyway, can I mention a couple of names: Ltc. Robinson, Maj [Skip] Tyler, Lt. Kilcauly [sp?], Capt. Day ? As I recall, these guys should have been there [at the hotel] when you took over in Dec. ’69.
            Your lack of smell elicited a smile. You were thus spared the overwhelming “fragrance” of the local nouc mam mingled with the stench of the Phan Thiet [old French] sanitary situation.
            I would look forward to hearing from you if you are so inclined.
            Thanks again,
            Rick [Olson]

            • I was at the Hotel from July 68 to July 69 …roomed with Kilcauly on the 2nd floor…”played a lot of basketball at night…I was with the 41st CA team …guys on my team I remember… Cook, Privetera, and Wilks…

    • Steve, weren’t Ed Plock and Carl Zender the two guys who worked for COORDS and drove around that run-down two-tone Bronco or International Harvestor van? They had their own armed defensible compound/apartment downtown Song Mao. I always believed they had another undiscussed mission.

      There was also another COORDS guy whose parents were missionaries; he always wore shorts, flip-flops, and a Hawaiian shirt. He looked like Trapper John on M*A*S*H, full head of curly hair and Fu Man Chu mustache. He spoke all languages well. I thought his name was John Llewellyn.

      Soon after arriving Song Mao the 44th’s Colonel Advisor called me over to the radio bunker at the south end of the compound during an attack to translate what was happening over the PRC-25. I could only make out a few words and the Colonel was in the process of giving me an ass-chewing when Llewellyn showed up and informed him that even the best Vietnamese translator would not be able to translate Montangard, continuing effortlessly interpreting what was happening over the radio.

      • Tom, Good memory. Their partner didn’t visit or at least when I was in Hoa Da, may have been out n about. Remember Carl the most, great guy. Finally was able to double check. It was Mat Team II- 27. Lived on Vietnamese food enough I got to like to like the sauce on veggies.
        Thanks for the help, Blessings

        • Steve,
          I don’t really remember which one was Ed or Carl. I thought Carl was short with blond hair. He accompanied our team to the sawmill and roof tile contractors to negotiate contracts, part of COORDS responsibilities. They were rarely seen with guns, but they had plenty of firepower within reach.

          What was your MOS at Hoa Da? I’m still trying to remember if we met. Must have… I’ll bet you met medic Mike Albert of the 41st Civil Affairs team in Song Mao. He was there before I arrived and remained after I left.

          Alongside my CA duties, I taught English a couple of days a week not far from Hoa Da at a Muslim village of Pham Ly Cham, also called Phan Ly Cham. You should remember some Vietnamese in light-colored robes wearing white turbans with red tassels. Those were Champa, indigenous Muslims, a minority in Viet Nam.

          We had some projects at Hoa Da and I have some photos to share. We probably built all the wells in that area. You saw the round meter round by meter high well rings above each of our wells. Interested? Email me at LearnCAD@mchsi.com and I’ll return some photos. I’m still scanning photos into digital files, but I have many already.

          An interesting, but very short, book to read is Xuc May by Gary Pool who has many stories of our similar experiences. Gary is one of my students’ uncle.

  47. HI, Steve Absher here, I left Hoa Da in July 69.Call sign Hotel 1. Trying to find anyone from the same time. Dec.68- to July 69.

    • Steve.

      I was translator at the 41st Civil Affairs team in Song Mao during that time. I remember a wild night ride one night after Hoa Da was overrun. I will look up the date. During the attack the MATS team Viet translator turned out to be an infiltrator and tried to throw a satchel charge into their hooch.

      I’m touring Germany but I will send more and pictures whenI return home.

      Sp5 Thomas Hyde
      Translator/interpreter
      41st Cvil affairs Team 4
      Song Mao, Binh Thuan Province
      learncad@mchsi.com
      thyde@kirkwood.edu

      • Tom, Thanks for the reply. I was assigned due to the base being overrun.. My translator was a good man. We took several ground attacks. in and out of the base. We served about 8 months. Left in July, home for man’s first step on the moon. Steve Absher

        • You must have arrived about the time the Engineers showed to rebuild the defenses. What unit were you with? MATS? 41st has a reunion in North Carolina this summer. Last year it was Hot Springs. Did you meet Mike Albert, 41st CA medic at Song Mao? I’m retired living near Iowa City, Iowa.

          • Tom, I was assigned to ll-37 mat team. Our outpost in Hoa Da was an old French site, Now
            live in Guatemala, for 30 years, built a couple schools and have a small ministry. Presently recovering from a stroke. Thank you for the feedback. Steve

        • Steve, I was the DSA at Song Mao when Hoa Da was overrun. I arrived at Song Mao on July 19. I was going to another assignment at a Special Forces unit when Gen Peers saw my name ( I had known him In Germany) and pulled me out of the assignment to go to Song Mao. Got there the day after Major Pasco body was recovered, Capt Bridges was the ADSA and saw the body. He was skinned alive. More details on the advisor group when I have time. I found my note book with some details. The new team moved into Hoa DA on Sep 8 after the eng had constructed their house and bunker. They were overrun Sept 18. Have a lot of details on that also. Nov 13 the DSA and ADSA Cpt Hanniky (SP) hit by bouncing betty mine. Dsa recived leg wound,, They called Song Mao and I and the CA med rushed to their compound, got a MEDVAC, patched them up. Cpt Hanniky was in bad shape. Lost a leg, arm and half of his face. The medic (cannot remember his name) worked on him while I put in the trac so he could get air. Heard from both years later. On Nov 26 our compound was attached by a NVA Bn. Using spookie and our fire power kept them out of thecompound. Killed several in the wire. Sgt Smith was wounded. A lot went on during the next several months. I was replaced by Maj Williams on Feb 26 and I went to Prov as the RF/PF advisor. Departed country in July 69. I remember my jeep was a Japan made jeep the 101 left a M151 at the airfield after an operation and we repainted it and put our numbers on it. We also had a Dodge amb the Ausies took from a Air Force parking lot and brought it to us on the courier flight when they stopped for coffee and pie. We painted it and put a sign on the side “Donated by National Republi of China”. The CA team use it, Mr Richardson the Prov Senior advisor saw it and said “sure look like the one stolen from the AF but was nice of the National Chinese to donate. He knew where it came from. I have more details saved for later.

          • You mentioned the name Capt Bridges above. Out of curiosity was that Theodore or Teddy Bridges who was in 1/502 101st ABN DIV in 1967 through 1968??

    • Steve, I have often thought of continuing the Civil Affairs mission. Now I am retired it seems more of a possibility. I hope you have recovered from your stroke as much as can be expected. No guarantees, but can I help in some way? I was a mechanical engineer, electrician, plumber, and retired as a college professor between VN and now. Wish I spoke Spanish or Portugese.

      • Tom,
        My brother is a retired Parks and Rec. professor. Thanks for the kind thought.
        As soon as I can walk will go t will go Stateside. My home is now N. California.
        Steve

  48. I was going through some old stuff and came across the name of Ezezeil Wigfall. I was a slick pilot flying support for MACV TM 37 early in ’72 and staying downtown in the hotel. We were ambushed in an LZ near there on St. Patricks day. If anyone wants to contact me I live near Athens, GA and am on Facebook. Mike Boyd

  49. Lt./Mr. Caruso…You’re right! There’s no going back.
    I still can’t get your photos on this Facebook thing. Am I too old or what? And I’ve yet to find my VN pictures as well. I’ll keep trying.
    Regards, Rick

  50. Rick: Ha! Ha! If you, truly want some of that fish sauce (Nuc Mam), I believe that there are places here in the U.S. where you can get it. Offhand I can’t remember the name or address of the company but, I believe in the Boston, MA area there is a place. I Googled it once. Check out Vienamese refugee communities or Vietnamese restaurants. We have a few restaurants in N.H. A refugee community in Manchester, NH. Had a former ARVN Colonel running an Oriental restaurant about a block from my place. He would bring me a Vietnamese soup every time I walked in. Yep! Nuc Mam is alive and well. The smell in Phan Thiet? That stays over there!!!! “Welcome Home, bro!” From a Combat Vets Motorcycle Association member, Spark.

  51. Paul..Try blaming the “total recall” on a overdose of Nouc Mam fumes, like I do. And my son wonders why I have a scencetive nose!! I’d really like to see that old Fr. hotel in Phan Thiet, these days, Maybe get a snoot of nouc mam…for old time sake.
    Best wishes..Rick

  52. Thanks, Rick! That’s OK because I don’t remember the movie “Gigi” playing for a week! I was either on the radio at the TOC or somewhere else in Binh Thuan Province preaching (teaching) the use of the KAK and radio procedures. We were being jammed and our radio transmissions were being monitored by the bad guys! How common was it to hear, “This is Oscar Four last name Oscar” instead of the radio call sign? My job was to break RTOs of that bad habit, as well as, improve the transmission and reception of radios throughout the Province teams. All because, “Charlie was listening!”

    • Do you remember the explosion at the MACV Hotel while movie was playing in the area next to the Medical Office? The fridge had been set up with a booby-trap grenade which went off when the fridge motor kicked in. There were a good number of guys who got shrapnel wounds out of that. We lost the lights out of that until the emergency generators kicked in. When I got back from searching the grounds (out back) for suspects, I went up to the bar to have a drink with the !st SGT. He told me that C.O. would be writing up an award the following morning. Well, the following morning I left for a chopper ride back to Nha Trang. I never heard anymore! Always wanted to contact that 1st SGT or C.O. to find out what came of it. It never happened! Still wonder today!

      • Paul G…Sorry, Paul, I do not recall this incident with the refrigerator. I do recall the evening movies. For a week, we had “Gigi”. What a movie to show GIs! We couldn’t get a new movie as there was stuff going on at the airfield. It got old real quick, that movie.
        Regards..Rick O.

      • My name is Ray Duran (Co D, 36th Sig Bn, MACV Tm 37 & LZ Betty Sep 68 – Apr 70) I was passing by the stairs where the grenade exploded and barely dodged the shrapnel, went to the roof to take position on the bunker up there. We were actually being attacked, I got into a short fire fight with an enemy soldier firing at us from the market behind the hotel. BTW, does anyone the half Korean half Vietnamese SVN Sargent everyone called “Killer?” He taught some of the men his form of karate, and he was really good. Also, does anyone remember that First Sgt from Tm 37 that held everyone hostage with his weapon at the main guard bunker at the entrance? MACV Tm CO brought him in from the field b/c he had a nervous breakdown. BTW, I used to work at the commo room right next to where the grenade exploded.

        • Ray, I was 41st CA Tm 4 Song Mao translator ’68-68. have some pictures of Song Mao and Phan Thiet to share. Also Jim Ratzlaff, MACV 37 returns to visit Phan Thiet soon and would like to contact MACV PT Hotel comrades. LearnCAD@mchsi.com

  53. Hi guys, ok to join in here? I was attached to 3 MACV Teams between 10/66 and 10/67. I was one of the many Air Force airman charged with keeping the bird dog’s flying. I spent most of my time in Phan Thiet, Phu Bon, and Phan Rang. In Phan Thiet my “room” was at the head of the stairs on the second landing. At the time they had a BAR hung on the wall there. My most vivid memory was of the road to the air strip by the ocean, passing through the cemetery with all those mounds.
    Ken Gebhardt
    A3C USAF

    • Welcome home Brother… I was in Phan Thiet at the Hotel from July ’68-July ’69…Cival Affairs Team 7…we were attached to MACV Team 37…always good to here from someone who was in Phan Thiet

    • Hey Ken, good to hear from you! You most likely replaced Royce Miller; I was “PackRat” radio operator for the FAC team, and left country Aug of ’66. I have a photo of the entire compound that was sent to me recently…let me know if you’d like a copy! Also some recent photos of the area today! Bob Pearson

    • A friend and I were walking back to the LZ, by the cemetery, when a mortar round landed by the outside of a burial mound and blew us up in the air. That mound saved our lives, kept the shrapnel from hitting us, but I couldn’t hear for weeks, had concussion problems for awhile, but at least we were alive.

  54. Ron,
    Thanks, Romeo Charlie. I did see to your photos. I have lots to scan and add on. Thanks for reminding me–I have slides also.

  55. Tom…you have a great memory…my call sign was Romeo Charlie…I think…again I have photos of LZ Betty on my Facebook page…go to photos then Vietnam album…I have to go to my slides and scan in photos of the ‘hotel’…

    Ronald Caruso

  56. Frank,

    Was your call sign Whiskey or Whiskey Mountain? I recall there was a radio relay outpost that was our lifeline to Phan Thiet. Whiskey would relay radio messages from the MACV compound at Song Mao, the MATS team in Hoa Da, and the firebases in between. Whiskey also coordinated fire support missions with Mushy Couple, the off-shore gun boats and gunships Puff, Spooky, and Shadow from Phan Thiet. I think our radio operator was Mike ‘Ski’ Putkowski from New York. Can’t thank you and guys like you enough for saving our asses and being there around the clock.

    I would like to see pictures of your area and LZ Betty.

    Sp5 Tom ‘Charlie One Zero Hotel’ Hyde
    41st Civil Affairs Team 4 Song Mao
    LearnCAD@mchsi.com

  57. Capt. Rick…my email is areseaoh44@sbcglobal.net …Facebook and Twitter under Ronald Caruso Columbus OH…I got a lot of pics posted on Facebook…Tom Hyde Dan Cook Jimmie G all on Facebook…I left Phan Thiet last week of July ’69

  58. Jenny, I am glad you are making the effort to find out about your dad. I have returned to Vietnam twice in the last 3 years. I went to Phan Thiet to place a memorial for a high school friend of mine who was killed there with the 1st Air Cav in 1966. If you want to email me with info or photos or requests, please don’t hesitate. My email is fyrbiz@gmail.com. Ed

  59. Jenny, Charlie company, 2nd Battalion, 7th Cavalry, 1st Air Cav Division was in the Phan Thiet area. I checked their website, but did not see your dads name there. They have a bulletin board on the site where you can leave a message. They also have links to other companies that may be able to help you out. The website is: http://www.charlie2-7.org/ Good luck. By the way, his return address would have been whatever unit he was assigned to at the time. If he did multiple tours in Vietnam, it is possible he did one with the Cav and another with MACV. Team 37 was in the Phan Thiet area. Ed

    • Thanks so much Ed. I will check this link out. I wanted to thank all of you that have responded here and sent emails with information to help, as I realize this is not the exact intention of your website. But I wanted to say that listening to your accounts has been a privilege, and incredibly fascinating. I wish I had asked my father more questions when I was young but understandably he didn’t like to talk about it. He then died of cancer from agent orange when I was 21, 48 hours after we discovered he was ill. I am now 37 and have 3 boys who never got a chance to meet him and are incredibly interested in his service, I am so proud of them for it. I will continue to search. I found a photo of my father for Ron C. but cant figure out how to attach it here, but the back states that he was ‘across the bay from Cam Ranh’ at that time. On the map this appears to be a ways from Phan Thiet? The other man in the photo with him is a second lieutenant from Korea. I do see a 1st Cav patch on his arm in one of the photos too…although all his letters contain the return address of MACV Team 37. If anyone in the future has any more information, I would love to hear from you. Thanks so much again and I wish all of you the very best.

  60. Thank you for your response Ron. Do you think it’s possible that his letters would contain the MACV team 37 in the return address if he wasn’t a member of the team? Because originally I had thought she was part of the first Calvary, and then I saw his letters. So if first Calvary was station nearby with his letters have gone through differently? Just a thoight in the return address if he wasn’t a member of the team? Because originally I had thought she was part of the first Calvary, and then I saw his letters. So if first Calvery was station nearby with his letters have gone through ?

    • We were at LZ Betty with the 3rd/506 101st Airbourne….I can’t remember any 1st Cav units around us

  61. Mickey Smith … Don’t remember… I was there 7-68 to 7-69… Civil Affairs team 7…we lived in the hotel with MACV #37….maybe send a pic from that time frame…Tom Hyde has a better memory than me…

    Ron Caruso

    • LT Caruso.. Capt Rick Olson, I ran the old hotel..Adv #37 Nov 68-Nov 69 Phan Thiet. Remembering you “Link” Caruso a name I recall and Lt Kilcawley. You always had a smile.

      • CPT Richard Olson. Do you have an e-mail address which I could use to correspond privately? I was with 54th Signal Bn Signal Advisory Team living at the MACV Tm. 37 Hotel back in July-Aug. 1969. Remember the explosion of the fridge by the Medics Room while a movie was in progress? I have a question regarding that night and the next morning.

        • I was with Co D, 36th Sig Bn at MACV Team 37 the night that fridge exploded, and yes, a movie was showing. We were being attacked and I had to run up to the roof where I was in charge of the machine gun on the roof, and shot it out with VC shooting at us from the market just north of the compound. My name is Ray Duran, and we were also attached to 101st ABN at LZ Betty! I had a very good friend assigned toTM 37, but assigned to one of the villages in the boonies. I cannot remember his name for the life of me, and he died during an ambush coming back into town. The ARVN or village security they had, dropped their weapons and abandoned their team. They were killed, 2 or 3 of them. I was to have accompanied him back to his hamlet for a few days, where he and his team were teaching the locals to set up security. Can anyone help?? Now I realize he may have been with 41st Civil Affairs.

  62. Hi there,
    I am looking for information about my dad. He passed away almost 15 years ago before I got a chance to ask him all the questions I wanted to about his experiences in Vietnam. In looking through his papers and what I find is that he was in Vietnam from 1966-1971 or maybe 72. He was located at Phan Tiet with the MACV team 37. His name was Darrell Dean Smith, nickname Mickey. I would love any information anyone has about him or any suggestions of where I could locate additional information. I am in the beginnings of my search and I have a stack of papers, photos, and no one to ask. Thank you so much for any help. God bless.

  63. Thanks for the heads up Ron, I’ll try to contact medic Dan Cook. He or Elmer Pence may have known our medic Mike Albert and help him.

    • Sometime during Spring or Summer of 69, I recall a bird dog coming in for a landing at the airstrip on LZ Betty and a crosswind coming in off the sea flipped the bird dog and it landed on it’s roof wings, sliding for a long way. The pilot just slid out of the plane, but he was okay!! Brave bunch of guys!

  64. I was an RTO in Quang Ngai, Team 2, 67-68. I am heading back to Vietnam 2-1-15 and will be in the Phan Thiet area. I had a friend from radio school by the name of Walt Schaffer. He was near that area, but I have long forgotten what team he was with. He would have been a PFC RTO and was a big guy. If anyone remembers him could you please leave a post? Thanks. Ed Thacher

  65. Hello, Team 37 members. I happen to find your website/guestbook while searching for information on our FACs stationed at LZ BETTY/Phan Thiet. My 3-506th (Airborne), 101st Abn. took over the operations from the 2-7th Cav. (AO Byrd) at Phan Thiet in mid-January 1968, remaining there until late 1969. Then returned in mid-1970 for a short period before reuniting with our parent 101st Div.

    I have very much enjoyed reading the different posts about Phan Thiet, Song Mao and surrounding areas, were we fought many battles and lost a lot of fine troopers. I have written a number of books about our battalion and operation, especially in AO McLain and the southern provinces of II Corps and northern province III Corps where we operated.

    I would like very much to communicate with those of you who stationed in various areas in and around Binh Thuan province, as well as at DaLat, Song Mao, etc. My contact info. in listed on the website–The Stand Alone Battalion.
    Jerry in Montana

  66. Amos,

    The forest north of Song Mao was constantly logged without affect by the locals during the day. By night we used to watch the torchlight parade of VC and NVA supplies and troops; we could expect an attack on Song Mao within a week.

    There was a large lake, now a reservoir/dam in the wooded mountains just north of Song Mao. It has always been home to many animals and plants. There were tigers at one time but the Vietnamese hunted and ate everything ruthlessly to extinction. I did see cobras though and a few monkeys. I wanted to spend two weeks R&R alone exploring the forest, but Shig explained to the 20-year-old how stupid that was. Today they have a website for the forest preserve.

    Tom Hyde
    LearnCAD@mchsi.com

  67. Paul Girard,

    You must have been the radio operator at the end of my tour. Remember Whiskey Mountain, Mushy Couple, and Bravo November? The radio bunker with the 50 cal. atop was at the south end west of the courtyard between the MACV building that had the bar overlooking the tennis court, surrounded by enlisted mens’ quarters.

    The Civil Affairs hooch was at the north west end of the compound near the gate. Between the MACV building was the MATS bunker with a .30 cal and claymore detonators. The helipad was west of the Civil Affairs hooch. Late in my tour we tore down the tin shack between our hooch and the helipad and built a bunker in back the Civil Affairs.

    Just before I left Song Mao everyone pitched in and we built an underground bunker in front of the MACV Colonel’s hooch, on the east end of the open courtyard. Engineers bulldozed out a hole and we lined it with aluminum pallets, backfilled with concrete, and completely covered it with dirt. It was beautiful and spacious compared to the old radio bunker.

    If you were treated by the Civil Affairs medic, it was Mike Albert. He was there a couple of years. Yes, there was a major battle around Song Mao in the early ’70s. By that time Civil Affairs and I believe MACV had vacated the compound, replaced by Airborne.

    I too remember the fun, scary trips to the ocean. On a totally random basis, MACV, MATS, and Civil Affairs would load up jeeps and convoy to Phan Ri Cua. Through the town of Phan Ri Cua north to a desolate beach where we took turns sunning, swimming, grenading fish from air mattresses, and standing guard on the bluffs in the gun jeeps. That place would make a great resort. Red sandstone cliffs with wind-gnarled pine trees above a snow-white beach that curved out of sight around a crystal clear bay of deep blue water. We had a limited time and always took an alternate route home across the dunes.

    My email is LearnCAD@mchsi.com.

    • Ray Duran here (Co D 36th Sig Bn) I used to man that .30 on the roof. Got into a few firefights when we received fire from the rear of the hotel.

  68. Hope you had a great trip. I bet things have changed a lot. I understand that the Song Mao area is a park or game preserve.

  69. Tom Hyde, I remember things differently. I was there from Jan ’69 to Apr-May ’69. the 50 cal was set up on the bunker next to building which housed MACV personnel and bar on the bottom floor overlooking the abandoned tennis court. We were housed at the other end of the compound from where you were. Our 54th Signal switchboard was underneath the water tower. Our ANGRC-17 secure teletype was at the end of the covered area where some vehicles were parked.

    Yes, the Chinese/Vietnamese cook would make soup and sandwiches for lunch out of the previous night’s leftovers. Unfortunately, unlike you I cannot remember any names. I do remember a SSG Medic who treated my injured finger after I was returned from MEDEVAC to Phan Thiet. Only names that I remember are 54th Signal like, Holt, Dunn, Young and there was a black MACV Lt. who rode a 90cc Honda motorcycle.

    I remember attending the TET celebration dinner at the ARVN Officers’ Club. Other than the LTCOL MACV Sr. Advisor, I was the only American in attendance. As a U.S. Buck SGT, I was seated between the Captains and LTs. My friend, Captain Long had gotten the OK for me to be with him. I spoke fluent French and we had become friends because of our mutual ability to converse. With him I, also, was able to attend a TET dinner at the Province Chief’s home. It gave me the occasion to taste dog meat for the first time Two mouthfuls was all I could manage. The rest got dumped on the floor behind me on the floor for the lady of the house to sweep up. We were seated on mats on the floor….no chairs or table! Wonder what happened to that Captain?

    Another thing that remains on my mind about Song Mao was going swimming at the ocean with MACV personnel. LT thought that he could jump a ditch with the jeep. We landed in the ditch water and Vietnamese came out of nowhere to come over, pick up the jeep, and place it on dry land. That was a scary experience but, Vietnamese were friendly to us!

    Difficult to forget that place Song Mao. Heard that it was overrun sometime in 1970?

  70. Amos,

    At one time, it was against Vietnamese law to make nước mắm anywhere but offshore at Phu Quoc just like it is still law in many southern towns that chitlins must be prepared 5 miles outside the city limits. I’ve got to have nước mắm with my oriental food, available at local markets, but I was suprised a new Vietnamese restaurant locally did not know what it was.

    A few years after DROS, I tutored a 16-year-old refugee boy, helping him with English, growing up problems, and bailing him out of problems. When alive, his father, a cook from Cho Lon showed me how to make won ton, and spicy pepper oil that zings up flavor without burning the tongue and throat. The boy’s now a citizen and about to be a grandfather. We keep in touch, I’m introduced as ‘Uncle’, attend important family functions, and his wife keeps me supplied with the best egg and spring rolls.

  71. Amos,

    I stopped over at Phan Thiet on my way from our 41st Civil Affairs Company to my Team 10 in Song Mao. My first impression was how could anyone tolerate that stench? Apparently beer was the answer.

    For the over-night I was billeted with the MPs. One grunt was showing off to a newbie the 45 cal’s safety features while I tried to catch some Zs. Just as he was showing that it would not fire if you pressed your thumb against the barrel, he blew his thumb through a wall locker. I took the 45 down to the OD and had them call a medic. Pretty close, he should have pressed the receiver end of the barrel, not the barrel.

    I’ll bet you knew our team members at Phan Thiet. Who could forget Lt. ‘Link’ Caruso, nicknamed after the missing link because he was covered in thick black curly hair? I finally got used to Vietnamese kids petting my arm hair like a kitten.

    Sp5 Tom Hyde
    Translator/Interpreter
    41st Civil Affairs
    Team 4 Song Mao

      • Lt. Caruso,

        Good to hear from you. I did not know you knew Lt. Francis Bauer. Are you still in contact with him? He always wished he could “see some action” with a real combat outfit until the day he got ambushed visiting me on site where I was relocating a pipeline. On his way back, VC dug a pit in the road, jeep dropped in and they proceeded to put AK rounds in every inch of the jeep miraculously not hitting Francis. By the time I got there with the 3/4 ton and M60 they were gone. Warning only; Francis never mentioned combat outfit again.

        I attended my first 41st Civil Affairs reunion (this was 5th) last June in Hot Springs. It was fun although no one from Song Mao was there. Shigekawa passed in 2006, Dowty lives in California, but everyone else is unaccounted. Very cordial group; same stories, different people.

        Keep in touch.

        Tom Hyde
        learncad@mchsi.com

    • Hey Tom… Just saw your post about Francis Bauer…if I remember correctly… I haven’t seen or talked to him since the last time I was in Song Mao… That was probably the Spring of 1969…Dan Cook is on Face Book… He was our medic on Team 7….he and I have posted photos from Vietnam…

  72. Amos,

    Yes I do remember John Llewellyn! His name came to me after I posted the last email. John reminded me of Trapper John on Mash. John always wore shorts, sandals, and a flowered Hawaiian shirt, real laid-back friendly guy. Still can’t remember his partner’s name. His partner was slight stature with blond hair and drove a two-tone Ford Bronco or IH, They lived off post downtown Song Mao; straight through town to the market, then left a block. We worked together on projects, relocations, medivacs, and the partner always negotiated for kips of wood at the sawmill for projects.

    We were under attack soon after I arrived. The MACV commander, a real jerk, did not have a translator. He wanted to know what the radio transmissions were saying, so he borrowed me from the 41st. I could not make out much of what was shouted over the radio. The commander gave me holy hell, calling me incompetent. Llewellyn strolled into the commo bunker popped the earphones on and rattled off the translation effortlessly. Then he told the colonel to ease off–the radioman was speaking Montangard and there was no way I could have translated more than a couple of similar words.

    John told me his parents were missionaries in China and Indochina and he was raised by them in Asia. He spoke Chinese (Mandarin, Taiwan, and Nung), Vietnamese, Montangard, and French if I recall correctly.

    Tom Hyde
    learncad@mchsi.com

  73. You may remember the ARVN advisor from the 509th RRGp at the time may have been SFC Ross or Sp/5 King. I came each month to do maintenance on the DF site out behind the MACV compound. Do you Remember a civilian John Llewellyn that worked for IVS (International Voluntary Service) and his partner who lived in town and taught the locals irrigation, crop rotation and other do good stuff.

    • Amos Hicks–that name sounds familiar.

      I arrived in Song Mao in July 1968 to replace the existing translator, can’t remember his name exactly, along with 2nd Lt. Francis X. Bauer and 1st Lt. Shigekawa who our replaced 41st Civil Affairs team chief 1st Lt. Flynn. I left in July 1969. The medic was Michael ‘Mike’ Albert. Other team members at different times were; PFC Larry Dowty, mechanic, Lt. Wilkinson, engineering officer, Lt. Seubert, Lt. Siebert, Lt. Tuttle. Sergeants Shulga, Castorina, and Walter Urusky were also there.

      Sorry, I don’t remember offhand the MATS or MACV Team members who were there. There was also a blond COORDS civilian, and a likeable but crazy flower-shirted afro-haired COORDS translator there.

      I would like to correspond with others there around that time.

      learncad@mchsi.com–Be sure to fill in the subject line so I know it is not spam.

      • If I remember correctly, most of those COORDS people were CIA. they ran the Phoenix program in the province!!

  74. I was attached to team 37, worked in the com center, and also rat rig later….served 70-71…my lasting memory of being there I think will be the smell of nouc manh being produce close by…many memories…

    • What was your unit David J Bingham?? I was with Co D,, 36th Sig Bn, also attached to MACV TM 37 & LZ Betty! I left in Apr 69.

  75. I was signal here back in 1966, mostly out at the airfield. Lt. Chi and Chu were my Vietnamese friends who welcomed me to their home and served up the best sea food. Never asked what it really was. My buddy Dunnigan and I spent a lot of time feeding the orphans as I suppose many of you did. It was a beautifu city and people and was cried to see its destruction. I have many good slides of the city and surrounding zones if any one would like a copy. Getting old now and the memories are fading. I hope you all had a good life.

    • Bob,
      I was with MACV Team 37 from April 67 through Jan 68. Like you my memory seems to be faiding about some things. I shipped out just before the Tet offensive.of 1968. I have had a great life here in Kansas City, but since 2007 I have had incurable cancer due to agent orange. However, I am lucky to have the VA taking good care of me. I would very much like to see your Photos.
      Doug Handley
      dhandley07@gmail.com

      • I was there after you. I was the DSA in 68 a few month after Tet. . My last assignment was at CGSC at ft Leav. Retired in 1975 and stayed in Leavenworth. Now live in Tonganoxie and stay busy with the VFW. I also have CLL (bone marrow cancer)i n beginning stage. I use a Dr at Lawrence Memorial Hospital.

  76. Bob Pearson we may have known ea. other .i was security there at that time I have a picture of almost the whole advisory team 37 . Would really like to talk with you . I can be contacted via email. Bsa50071@comcast.net. Just make advisory team (37 in the subject line, Thanks Jim Ratzlaff

  77. I was with S-3 Advisory 5409th RRGp. I was the maintenance adviser to ARVN Unit 15. We had a DF site co-located with Team 37B at Song Mao. Our site adviser lived at Team 37B and they put me up on my monthly maintenance and emergency maintenance trips from 1966 to 1969. They had the best Chinese cook in the world. It was his food that got got Wallaby Airlines (Australian C-7 Caribou’s) to make three weekly flights landing to get lunch.

    • I was 54th Signal attached to MACV Tm 37 in Song Mao. We had our antenna set-up on top of the water tower at a corner of the compound. We operated switchboard and a secure teletype for sending reports. The Aussies that you mention, I thought they flew C-130? I was there the first 4 months of ’69. Later, I would be attached to Tm. 37 in Phan Thiet from June to late Aug. when I left to DROS back to the States. The night before I left Phan Thiet the fridge by the Medics Room blew up. Many were wounded by shrapnel. After “normalcy” I had a drink with the 1SG at the second floor bar. He told me that CO would write up award the next day and it would follow to my home unit in Nha Trang…..never came to my knowledge…..out of sight, out of mind. Worked as RTO at the War Room which was some distance away from MACV Hotel and traveled the province to teach RTO to use the KAK. Yes. the enemy was jamming us and listening in on radio transmissions big time.

    • I was translator/interpreter for the 41st Civil Affairs Team at the north end of the MACV compound in Song Mao.

      You are right, ‘Cookie’ was the best Chinese cook ever. The unchanging spam sandwiches and pea soup lunches were even OK, but I remember every Saturday for dinner he grilled steaks on the grill outside the mess hall. Chopper pilots from everywhere showed up to pay for a steak dinner.

      Cookie gave me an ice cream churn that had been laying around the mess hall. He did not know what it was. I bought eggs, milk, vanilla tablets from the local market and made homemade ice cream every week after that. The Nung RF guards were happy to help turn the crank for a serving of ice cream.

      Our team chief was Lt. Shigekawa, medic was SP5 Mike Albert. I remember the MACV radio operator was a skinny guy from New York City, Mike? Putkowski.

  78. MACV Hotel 1965-66…I was AirForce FAC radio operator for Baron 70,71,72…worked under Capt Hodges, Lt Zack(reski?)(Zac the FAC), Capt Kempf…love the ladies next door to the hotel, who did sewing. We had housekeepers then, ‘Mini’ was mine…glad for the experience, but glad to get back home!

  79. I was at phan thiet tm 37 68 / 69. Security team.have many pictures of the guy’s- spec-4carl karges,sgt Buckley,sgt enrich , Watson,ferguson many more. Also pictures of. Down. Town and the LZ Betty morning after attack

    • Thanks Tom. My friend was with 2/7 1st Air Cav. Not sure what contact they had with advisors/ARVNS in 66. Do you recall a ARVN post named Pitt or Robert L.Pitt? I was with Team 2 in Quang Ngai 67-68. Thanks for your reply. Ed

  80. I had a high school friend who was KIA while serving in Phan Thiet area. He died Oct 25 66 while serving with 1st Cav task force there. Supposedly there was a ARVN fort built by the 1st Cav nearby named for him; Pitt. If anyone recalls a fort in the area with that name, could you forward any memories of that. Thanks. Ed Thacher. fyrbiz@gmail.com

    • I was an E-6 with Adv Tm 37 in 66-67 with the 1/44th ARVN Infantry Battalion. Our “home” station was Ft Pitt. But sure seems like the place (a sandbag perimeter with fighting bunkers) was built before Oct 66. Most of our time (pretty well daily) was on Air Assault missions in the Sector. I was Infantry Lt Weapons Advisor. But our operations were moved to the Bao Loc/Dai Quay area in mid-67 – I have no idea what happened to Ft Pitt during Tet 68. We rarely saw Phan Thiet, although only a few miles away.

      • Thanks for the reply Bob. I was an RTO in Quang Ngai 67-68. My friends full name was Robert L Pitt. Per some men from his unit that I conversed with online, the fort was built before Oct 66, but C-2/7 Ist Cav did some work to harden it and improve it. They told me it was named after my friend was KIA, which was Oct 25 66. There is an abandoned fort that shows on an old Phan Thiet grid map at AN 832155, about 7 K north of Phan Thiet, near a village called Ap Ninh Thuan. If you have any info or photos I would love to see them as I am traveling there in Feb of 2015 and want to place a memorial for my friend at the site. my email is fyrbiz@gmail.com Thanks. Ed

  81. mike I was security in phanthiet. From august 65 to August 66 The I believe the col
    Was col Dahlman but I thought he got killed right after I left. I do have a unit picture at home with many names on it . I can always send them to you or a copy of it if interested.
    My e mail is bsa50071 @ comcast.net . My name is Jim ratzlaff

    • My tour in Binh Thuan Province was 10 months and 14 days. Col Robinson was an Engineer Officer and in my quick interview he only said, “Don’t get yourself killed.” Terse and I followed his advice.

      Really glad to see this site on the net as it great to learn what was going around me back in those days and how fortunate I was/am!

      Welcome!

  82. I was the radio operator at Thien Giao compound from May 1968 to May 1969. Thien Giao was about 20 miles from Phan Thiet. In the center of the compound was an old 50 foot high French tower with a 50 caliber machine gun on top. We humped our AO almost every day. I remember some names: Major Nugent, Sgt Karnnegy. I turned 21 in Thien Giao. We lived in the compound with the “popular” forces who probably saved my life when an enemy Battalion or more tried to overrun us. I was too young to pay attention to details. Please comment if you served in this compound.

    • I stayed at the base of the Tower which was inscribed by the name of French Officer. I was there as out Team 37 was medivaced back on April 13th, l970, and I was one the only who could remain and not wounded. I have pics of the large pile of enemy stacked up as our team had an M-60 on top of our underground bunker and the ARVN battery used their cannons shooting ‘flechette’ rounds.

      We had to await for replacements for a long time so I killed a lot of time there @ Thien Gaio!

      Happy Veterans Day!

      • LTC Asbury, I was there with 1/50 (mechanized) serving in the TOC in S2. As I recall there were several fights there. I think during the one you referenced we were taking the attack from the direction of the village to the north on Highway 1. We finally got support from “Spooky” if I am thinking of the correct action. The shooting kept up most of the night. At one point a track driver named Tennison and I were ordered to pull a track up on the road facing the village to the north. We were taking 51 cal fire from the village. I opened up on the 51 location with the 50 on our track and silenced the 51. Very quickly we got an urgent request from Spooky who said our 50 rounds were bouncing skyward and coming close to them and asking us to cease fire. The next morning there were a lot of dead enemy in the wire although I did not get a picture.
        Spec 4 Robert Gerber

    • btw I THINK I have a pic of that Gun Tower in the center of Thien Giao and it shows the name of the French Officer it was named for. MAT 88 was moved to a triangle compound post closer to the mountains called Bau Gia. One of our men was KIA after I left and he was hit by a very clever booby trap. He was from Hawaii and his name was Turkowski. He lived a while in the Hospital but finally died of his original wounds. About that time, I was told that they killed a Bengal Tiger outside the post and they slaughtered it and had a BBQ Vietnamese style.

      CPT Eastman was the Tm Ldr and he injured his ankle when we were going across a railroad trestle which had been blown up by our enemy. SGT Turkowski was choppered out there to replace CPT Eastman.

      We had a SSG Named Lee A. Smith who was awarded The Silver Star for his duty in the fight on the night of April llth, l970 at Ap Phu Long. Last words from Smitty to me was, “Lt. Asbury don’t shoot me!” He was medivaced from our helipad that next morning and I never saw him again. Wish him luck and all of us!

      Welcome HOME!

    • I served at Thien Giao for about 8 months (August 1969 until April 1970) with the 1/50th (M) Infantry Division in the TOC (Tactical Operations Center). My hootch was about 100 yards from that old French tower. All we had at that FOB was us, MACV, a couple of guys from a signal unit, and the “ruff puffs” (RF/PF Vietnamese troops, Republic Forces/Popular Forces). I was sent photos of Thien Giao from Don Rainwater from the 1/50th. Somehow, he was involved in the construction of the hootches. I ran into him in Kansas City, MO during a unit reunion and he sent me the photos. Anybody there at that time. My name is Frank Romano.

      • Frank, I was at Thien Giao at the time you were. I worked for the S2 who was Capt Hagan as I remember. There was also an RTO named Ingalls and a Wireman named Warnken. Battalion boss was LTC Robert H. Luck. I stayed in the tin barracks to the right as you exited the TOC. I have quite a few pictures of Thien Giao and Phan Thiet. Also just remembered a young track driver named Tennison.

  83. August 6, 2013 8:02 am

    We are trying to find my wife’s father, a Vietnamese national who was based at the phan thiet army base in 1974. I am hoping someone can possibly give us a helping hand to possible tracing services
    my wife’s father is a Vietnamese national who we believe served the Red cross during the Vietnam war (1973/1974 ), in Phan Thiet, Vietnam. We originally, believed
    he was based out of Phang Rang Air base, and we thought he worked for the American Red cross base, some 150km away from Phan Thiet. However, we think now that he may be have been working for Republic of Vietnam (Việt Nam Cộng Hòa),
    We originally thought his name was Tran Quang Thuc, however, it may be Tran Van Phuc or Tran Quang Phuc
    All my wife knows is that he was involved with carrying injured soldiers to helicopters. My wife’s mother said that he wore a light green 1 piece suit that you zip up from the groin. He also had hat that was light green hat that had a red cross on it – tall square type of hat. Black army type boots. The uniform had a red cross arm band (white color) possibly on the left arm. He is around 160cm tall and wavy hair.

    If anyone out there could help to guide us it would be much appreciated

  84. Where is everybody that served between 1966 to 1968? I hope I’m not the only that was there. I was the radio operator in the radio room and switchboard.I remember a guy with the last name of Smith and a black guy whose last name was louis.

    • Mike, you are not alone. I was an admin specialist with MACV team 37. I was there April 67 to January 20, 1968. I guess I knew you if you worked on a Collins SSB radio in the HQ building. We were under a bird col, can’t remember his name. There were a few other people working there including a Captain Campbell, a Major, a few Sargents, and Private Fortin. In another building close by there were G2 people, including a first Lt. We all stayed in a three story “hotel” a couple miles from there. It was in the main part of town on the street leading to the First Cav air strip a couple miles away. You probably noticed my departure date was 10 days before the Tet offensive. I have always wondered what happened then. It was a shock to hear on the news a few days after I got home that Phan Tiet was over ran.

      • Before you DEROSED, did you get any sense that TET was coming? That MACV Hotel was ‘civilization’ and I was there just IN/OUT and the thing that really caught my interest was the Mail Room and the bar on the top where you could have a drink and a meal and listen to the tactical radio when there were firefights in the valley and north on Highway One.

        I was still in Ranger training in Dahlonega when TET started. The Church near by the MAT 88 Compound @ Ap Phu Long was more of less partially destroyed in the week. We smuggled concrete to help them re-build it. Communists don’t much like any kind of religion, right/?

    • I was with Adv Tm 37 in 66-67. But rarely saw the MACV Compound. You DID however, never fail to airdrop our mail on an almost daily basis from a bird dog. I was a SSG light weapons advisor with 1/44 Inf (ARVN).

    • Mike, I arrived in 1968, I was the translator/Interpreter at the Civil Affairs Team on the north end of the Song Mao Compound. My best friend was our medic Sp5 Mike Albert. Lt. Shigekawa replaced Lt. Flynn as team chief.

      When I first arrived, the MACV commo bunker was a pile of sandbags just outside the MACV hooch toward the mess hall. There was a 50 cal atop the bunker.

      I remember the radio/telephone operator was Mike Putkowski from NY, was that you? Do you remember Whisky, Mushy Couple, Spooky, Bravo November, and Shadow?

      Still looking for my lost friend Sp5 Michael A. Albert, medic. Good to hear from anyone at Song Mao and exchange pictures.

      Sp5 Tom Hyde
      Translator/Interpreter
      41st Civil Affairs
      Team 4 Song Mao

      • I was the District Senior advisor who designed and supervised the building of the bunker. The walls and roof was made from cargo pallets that we got from the airfield. The steps had mines that could be blown if need be. The generator was in a separate underground pit that could be reached from the bunker. If we had been overrun could have housed every one until help arrived. It was fully stocked with food, water and of course ammo. I was DSA at Song Mao then went to Phan Tiet at the team 37 Hq as the RF/PF advisor. That was 68-69. I arrived right after Tet. I was diverted from another assignment when Maj Pasco was captured and marched off to the mountains. The morning after Ray Davies( British, working for Australia,, under contract to the US. He headed the Provident Recon unit ( all ex VC). Maj Pasco was found tied to a tree and had been skinned alive. He asked what I wanted him to do. I told him to find the NVA team and make an .example of them. He returned about a week later and came into my office and handed me a 45 and a 7mm pistol, told me they were Maj Pasco’s and the NVA platoon leader, and walked out. Later when we got to be good friends he told me the full story. That is for another time. He had to fly out real fast a few months later when the National Police got after him. He drove into the compound and ran into my office tossed me his back pack and ran out and to the airfield. A single engine unmarked plane with a long engine picked him up. I got a card that said “Thanks Ole chap see you someday”. I still have his brass compass and knife. More war tales later.

        • I remember building and helping with the new commo bunker at Song Mao. Seems the Air Force got pissed when their aluminum pallets disappeared. It was so much better than the cramped 3-person sandbag bunker at the south end of the compound with the 50 cal above.

          Our 41st Civil Affairs Team hooch was located directly west of your commo bunker and building, and unfortunately we took the brunt of attacks meant for you. Later we built a super bunker behind our hooch after Charlie used armor-piercing rounds shooting holes through our brick walls wounding Lt. Seubert. As I recall you gave us hell when we celebrated the bunker’s completion, demanding we Southern boys take down our Confederate Flag.

          The bunker endured subsequent attacks fending off B40s and RPGs. Cpl. Pelt ontop with the M60 and I next to him with the 60mm. When Charlie fired on us from the ammo bunker with their heavy MG and armor-piercing rounds this time, I was the one who requested a flare, but mistakenly dropped an HE round into the gasoline barrels they were hiding behind. Rất tiếc, Đại Tá!

          I too was there when Maj. Pasco was captured; rumor was he was skinned, but the other story was he’d been tied to a tree with commo wire and it peeled the skin on his arms badly while trying to escape.

          There was Captain Mickey(?), your XO I believe, and another Major or LTC who was your replacement; he always borrowed a jeep from us. I loaned him a jeep I’d put together from parts. When I left, I repainted that jeep disguised it with numbers requested from the 44th Reg. so no one would question where it belonged and gave him the jeep.

            • Larry,
              Sorry, I thought I gave you my contact information, I will send it immediately to your email address. I am preparing picture DVDs of Song Mao and Phan Thiet area to send to everyone. The 41st Civil Affairs Team chief may be sending more photos (scanned, I hope) that I can include. Anyone else interested in a DVD should leave an email reply with their postal address at LearnCAD@mchsi.com.

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