Team 38 Bao Loc

MACV Team 38 – Bao Loc.

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  1. Hello. I wanted to let this group know that I recently visited Di Linh and was able to meet some of the people who were there with my father in 1968. If anyone would like to see some of the photos or videos of Di Linh today, please let me know. My email is tggilmartin@gmail.com.

    Thank you.

  2. My father’s name is Tom Gilmartin and he served in Di Linh from 1968 to 1969 as a Corpsman with the MILPHAP team based in the hospital in Di Linh. If you have any information or photos of him we would be truly grateful. Also, I have an aerial photo of Di Linh in 1968, if anyone would like to see it. Email me at tggilmartin@gmail.com.

    Lastly, I was considering flying to Di Linh this month on the tailend of a business trip. Has anyone been back to the area? And if so, is there anything left that my father might recognize? I wanted to take photos of the area for him but I worry everything has been built over.

    Thank you for your time.

    Tom Gilmartin Jr.

  3. Gary I was already gone before you came in I do remember just clearing way for the air strip and setting up tent city .Thanks for you support .
    Jim

  4. Joseph Mucelli passed away in 2012. He tried to locate Sgt. Hamby also, but with no luck. The last we know of Hamby was that he designed the Dalat golf course in the 1990s (?). I’ve searched the internet and other resources with no luck. I was stationed at MACV Adv. Team 38 from Oct 1967 until July 1968. I enjoy hearing from anybody posted there at any time. I’m compiling a book about Team 38 and would welcome any and all materials (notes, photographs, etc.) to include. I of course will give credit to any material I use. BTW, when I visited the MACV Bao Loc site in 1999, it was a automobile repair ‘shop’. But the Ag School dorm buildings we used are still there.

    • i apoligze, my father is ret. 1st class petty officer, larry e hamby. korea and veitam vet. once ud, and search and rescue..from above..im his son, im trying to get more info on his service for this great country..THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. Any suggestions on how i can do this?

      • One thing you can do is go to Ancestry.com and enter his name and home state, if known. That website connects you to public and military records. Good luck!

    • I was at Bao Loc from June to April 1969. I was at the Forward Support Activity next to the runway at the airport. Our mailing address was c/o MACV Team 38. I was the SP5 that operated the automotive repair shop, but we all (there were only 35 of us) did everything. Team 38 allowed us to shower and get a hot meal the first month we were there as we had no facility of our own. We unloaded the aircraft, sorted, stored and delivered all supplies to units in the area. MACV was on sep rats, but we delivered your shipments from the airport to your camp. Glad to have met you guys!

    • My brother Major Donald Graney arrived in bao loc Sept 1966 assigned to MACH team 38 . On Feb 19 1967 he was infomed of a road block by VC and went out to investigate and became involved in a VC trap. While calling for air strike after a brief mortor and grenade battle he was killed along with another officer. I believe there was a sergent with them but do not knw of his fate.
      If you have any information on this I would be pleased to hear from you. Dan Graney graney@uw.edu

    • Giles E. Hamby, of Greenville, SC, died on 12 March 1991. I got this from the US Social Security Death Index, 1935-2014, thru a link in Ancestry.com.

  5. Sounds like Mucelli, Hamby they were 2 of a kind. I think they called J Mucelli the Pattie fox does anyone have a location on Hamby ?

  6. If anyone is interested I found several photos taken of the compound and one in the dining room at Bao Loc with several people visible who I do not recognize. I can send them to anyone interested, just let me know your email. Time period would be 1967. Take care, Al Fitzgerald

  7. My Uncle(whom I was named after) Maj Donald Caryl Graney – I believe was part of Advisory Team 38. My Dad (his brother) is still alive and doing well. I’m interested in learning more about Don and his service in the Military. I do know that he was killed on February 24th, 1967 in Di Linh Subsector. My understanding is that he was killed in an ambush style attack. If anyone knew him, or has pictures of him while he served, I would be very interested in connecting with you. Feel free to reach out to me at don_graney@yahoo.com Thanks, Don

  8. I believe my dad flew out of Bao Loc in 1968 time frame. Capt. Earl (Robbie) Robertson, USAF. He was a FAC and I can ask him if he remembers his call sign. He has a lot of 35mm slides of photos he took during his tour if anyone remembers him and/or is interested.

    • Mike I remember your dad, he was leaving as I was arriving in ’68. He showed me how to clean my M 16 properly at the “flying Circus” building we had at the west side of the airport. We also put together smoke rockets and stored them for our missions one afternoon. The planes’ revetments and our building were there, along with a small ops area/radio stack. I was Intel…and replaced a guy named Kieffer. I think a guy Ed Lauffer replaced your dad along with a Capt Laurence when he went stateside, whom was returning to fly for PSA on the west coast. We were down a couple of pilots until Lt.s Lauffer and Coucher showed up.

      The general call sign was “Walt” I guess your dad was Walt 71, mine was Walt 70 India as I was Intel and reported to the commander of the group..always call sign Walt 70. It was a great group of pilots and support guys, including the people that ran the airport ops. By the way I’m glad your dad gave me a few pointer’s the M 16 it came in handy, thank him for me.

      Team 38 like many of the MACV groups was a mixed isolated operation usually Army operation, with USAF and USN attachments. As was team 38…Navy medical, and USAF operation from the 21st TASS out of Na Trang that moved to Cam Rahn Bay in ’69.

      • Hi Scott,

        Thanks for helping me with John’s last name. I remember you fondly, hope you are well and life has treated you kindly. I have an 8mm film with you and a few of the guys goofing off at the compound. We may have been in Sgt. Sheppard’s hooch with a few refreshments prior to that. Reach me at nobigdeal at frontier dot com .

        I’ve been trying to post messages all day on this site, but they all got eaten. I finally disabled adblocker plus and spelled out my email and it managed to post. This site is nice and all, but WTF. It’s impossible to communicate with anyone. Contact me ASAP, if you live anywhere between Michigan and Arizona. I found one of the Army mechanics, Sam Stegal, about ten years ago. He said he bought 10 acres near Clear Lake ,CA and was going to move there. Other than him you’re the first contact from Bao Loc. Do you remember the dogs, Mousey and Rocky? Mousey had pups in the intel bunker and there was a dispute about ownership. Saturday was steak night. You had to cook your own, but they were too tough to eat. I hope this posts.

  9. Kristy I am sure I was in the team when your Dad was their .In fact when I took over the RTO lead we roomed next to each other . If you have a picture of you Dad that would be great as Names from that long ago have lost my mine. But all the memories are still there. I am looking for pictures that I have and hope top get them off so everyone can enjoy the same old memories .
    Jim Christiano

  10. I am compiling a book on MACV AdvTeam 38. Anything from anybody stationed there anytime, I would love to see. Contact me thru email address below.

    Neil Olsen
    Team 38 Bao Loc
    Oct 67 to Jul 68

    • Neil, I was one of the gunship pilots from the 155th Assault Helicopter Company out of Ban Me Thout. I spent a good bit of time at Bao Loc during the January to November 1967. I remember the two FAC pilots shot down during my time there. We were, also, shot down, as I remember, southeast of Bao Loc in June or July. We had a LT assigned to MACV with us as an observer. None of us got hurt, we apparently caught a VC unit resting and think we tore them up pretty good. I will be making my fifth trip back over next month and will make one more effort to find the old compound. The AG College and Catholic church are still there, but cannot find or recognize any of the buildings in the compound. Remember the great meals there, especially the pies the cooks made. I am going to copy this same information to a couple other people on this post, also. Good to connect with some of you guys. Let me know if I can be of any help. Al Fitzgerald Falcon 10

      • Hi Al, over the years I’ve often talked about flying with the gunships while in Bao Loc. You guys were absolutely fearless and a little nuts. If I recall one of the pilots was from New Jersey and was teaching me how to fly the gunship or at least keep it in the air. Those trips were without a doubt the most memorable moments during my tour over there. My memory’s shot for the most part but can remember some details. I recall one of the ships bringing back a stag that they shot and the cooks made some awesome steaks on an outdoor grill that someone put together in the compound. Also remember flying just above the tree tops with leaves flying into the ship. Was told by the pilots that the VC were less likely to hear us coming until it was too late. They were right. I have a picture of me standing in front a bird dog out at the airfield that either crashed or was shot down. Don’t remember if it was Capt Reeds. Have another picture of a plane that crashed at the end of the runway. Don’t remember why. I was with MACV and on my first day in Bao Loc Cpt Reed took me up to look over the area. He was forward observing for artillery and nearly got us shot down trying to draw fire to locate some VC. Loved to fly with him and his rocket mounted Bird Dog. Eventually I was convinced that all pilots must have been a little nuts. I was very impressed by all the pilots and their composure under fire. Always wondered if the compound was still there and who all were stationed there in 67/68. paten138@aol.com

      • that would have been lt jewel, and yes you made a mess we got to go in and clean it up. good job, ps sgt clark was in the other gun, 1/44/23arvn

    • I was at Bao Loc for a couple of months right before TET. I was an air traffic controller with the 125th ATC and worked the airport tower there. I have pics of an Air America C-123 that tried to autorotate into rw. 27 and tore up the runway in the process. I believe that the AF sent in a team to haul the bird to the end of rw 9 and repair the psp. We were back in action the next day and about a week later a couple of mechanics landed and repaired the 123. I was working the morning shift one day when the dammed thing cranked up, rolled out on 9 and took off. They never called the tower. Do you know where the runway was located with respect to any of the landmarks in town? Thanks Dennis Davis

      • The airport was located directly north of “downtown” Bao Loc…the main road basically ended at the airport…at the end of ’69 the 101st built a camp north of the airport and cleared off several acres in all directions. Also in mid 69 engineers cleared off the camp site we lived on to create a kill zone to the college and west and north off the highway.

    • My father served in Di Linh with MILPHAP Team 4. Would love to see the photos or any others taken around that time. He served there from 1968 – 1969. Was considering going back for a visit but I assume all the landmarks are built over. He used to be stationed in an old french house there. It was mortared a few times. Not sure if it’s still standing. Have you been back in recent years? Thank you for your time. My email is tggilmartin@gmail.com. Good luck with the book.

  11. i ran across a picture of a sign at a compound that says*maccords adv team 38 ,bau loc vietnam , apo u s forces 96493* any one have info on this … contact me on face book …virgil aycox

    • Maccords and MACV Team 38 were same unit. In 1970 the Vietnamization of the war started. MACV and CORDS were combined heavily influenced by the CIA and the PHOENIX program. I had the privilege of participating in it’s initiation in Saigon. And it’s follow through in Baoloc Lam Dong Province

  12. i was in Bao Loc from May ’67 to Sept. ’68. Attached to Team from 43d Signal out of Dalat. Some of the signal guys were Davis, Kerchenko, House, and Smith.

  13. George “Big G” Evans got to Bao Loc in June 68 shortly after James Ray was captured. Was trained as clerk in Fort Wood used as camp flunky in Nam. Including driver shotgun for MI officer CPT Kloet. Rto for strike force. Body retrieval details. Was present when 1LT James Hamilton allegedly shot himself. Left Lam Dong and Nam in Dec 1970. Anxious to go back while can still walk. Several PSA during my tour can’t remember them all do remember LTC Mueller and COL Stephens.

    • George, were you in the bunker when Lt Hamilton died? I ask because I’m trying to find an Air Force Radio Operator that was in the bunker at the time of the incident. His name was John H??? and he was from Wilkes Barre, PA. I can’t remember his last name. It was like Hockmouth or Hokenmuth.or something along those lines. He was one of the two Radio Operators from the 21st TASS. The other one was Learly Patterson, my bunkmate. Lt Hamilton joined us in the hooch the night before. That was unusual for him. We sat around in Sgt Sheppard’s room listening to a Motown tape over drinks, a nightly ritual. He seemed in good spirits so it seemed strange what had happened. It was a gruesome sight I can’t get out of my mind

      • Tom just read your comments today as I was searching for the old team 38…it was John Hollock…and I was there a few minutes after it happened along with Lt Earl Henn, Army Intel, Lee’s really good friend. Sadly it was an accident, from accounts at the time. Hope you are well.

          • Hi Scott, Thanks for helping me with John’s last name. I remember you fondly, hope you are well and life has treated you kindly. I have an 8mm film with you and a few of the guys goofing off at the compound. We may have been in Sgt. Sheppard’s hooch with a few refreshments prior to that. Reach me at nobigdeal@frontier.com .

        • Hi Scott, I sent two replies with my email address, but I don’t see them posted. Maybe the third time is a charm. nobigdeal@frontier.com . You remember the C123 that crashed across from the compound. It killed four guys. I have some film of the crash site on the day after. There was not much left, but the tail section and landing gears. I spent my days at the airfield and sometimes I would be the only one out there and the radio operators would inform me of an inbound plane and I would pop a green smoke to let them know it was safe to land. One afternoon a C123
          landed and Sgt McNeil was not around with his forklift so the pilot did a wheelie and a couple of pallets rolled out. Curious as to content, I noticed it was a shipment of Del Monte root beer. I like root beer, so I transported 2 cases back to the compound. It came in handy as a mixer during the monsoon when the place ran out of Coke. The C123s also delivered fuel in giant rubber bladders that they would off-load in the same manner. One time one of those bladders bounced out and rolled down the hill below the airstrip. The indigenous emptied it pronto. Contact me.

    • George good to hear you’re still around. I was USAF intel and back seater in the O 1’s we flew and on ground ops with Lt Henn and our Vietnamese counterparts as we visited the plantations often with Capt Phoe (FEHW). Plus extra night guard, back up medic to Corp Grouchow, and occasionally relief radio operator for the USAF. Col “Smoke” Stephens, about as fine an officer as I ever served with.

  14. I was TDY to Advisory Team 38 from the 4th Infantry Division (Oct 67 to Jun 68). Capt. Varona (the mad Cuban), and a sgt and I comprised the Combined Mobile Improvement Team training with the Regional Forces (mostly montagnards). I am currently compiling a book about Lam Dong province and the American presence there. During my stay, Maj. Mueller was the CO, and the late Joe Mucelli, Hamby, were there, too. I would love to hear from any and all of you about your experiences there. Also any photos would be really appreciated.
    Neil Olsen

    • Hi Neil just read your comments . I was in the in 1967, Served with Major J Mucelli ,Sargent Hanby and a Cuban Sargent Alabaster ???. Not 100% but Muller was the top dog then . Also that is when Capt W Reed USAF and his CIA second seat were shot down. I was the RTO that replaced Hedglen who broke a leg repelling down a cliff. Not sure if I have any pictures not a lot of time to take then but I do I will get back to this site

      • Mucelli, Hanby, Crops, and Baldanado made a second tour in ’69 when I was there. They were assigned to the “A” camps, montanyard villages, I visited them at Team 38th when they would visit and re-supply and with Army Capt Dennis’s(?) trips in his L 19 to the villages a number of times.We could take up ammo, beer and Cognac.

    • In late 63 and early 64 we went to Bao Loc with units of the 145th Aviation Battalion and flew elements of the 34th Regional Force Battalion and 54th Popular Force Battalions on search and destroy missions.
      In May 64 I was detailed to Advisory team 38 as their radio operator. There was only 8 Americans, including myself, in Bao Loc. We stayed at the agricultural college and had a platoon of Montagnards assigned to protect us. I always thought that our site could not be defended.
      I do remember the French family then owned and operated the tea plantation next to the airstrip. I believe their name was Bischtene (sic).

      • Mike, I was radio operator for Tm 38 from Feb 63 until Feb. 64 when I rotated out for Conus. Also my 3 year enlistment was up. As you stated compound could not be defended. We had a squad of Montagnards for secuity. ( 8 guys) i believe our unit at that time was 6 officers and 3 en listed. we were the only Americans in the area. There was a team at Di Linh but I don’t remember the number. Our supply was at Dalat and our net control station was at Ban Me Thut.

        • Tom,

          Somehow I missed your message of last year. I might of been your replacement as I am not completely sure when I was sent TDY to Bao Loc. I cannot recall the names of any of the team but I do recall that the Major-in-charge allowed one the French ladies to spend many nights in his room but demanded the rest of the team not to fraternize with any local women, which led to a great deal of grumbling. The medical sergeant was a really good guy and the operations sergeant was really intense. The operations sergeant and one of the officers were awarded CIB’s just after I arrived there for an encounter with the VC while on patrol. I also recall going with the medical sergeant to a bar, in Bao Loc, owned by a retired French NCO. I always wondered what happened to the bar owner when the NVA took over. Shortly prior to my departure the Gulf of Tonkin incident took place and I had to decipher the encrypted message that was sent to the team regarding same.

          Mike Hoke

    • My father James B. Jones was the medical advisor assigned during your time. I have a photo that has Mucelli, Sharp, Von Meter, Clark, Henry and Lai in it on a bridge. We have been going through his documents from Vietnam and have letter from Vietnamese nuns to my mother. My father is in hospice care because of a fall from Parkinson’s caused by agent orange. I’d love to know if you remember him.

      • My father is Ham Henry and I have had the honor to meet Maj Mucelli. I am compiling a family book on my father service. If you could send me the any photographs of my father or the area of operations (AO) I would greatly appreciate it. mikey_ch47@yahoo.com

    • I was in Bao Lac 30 Jan 1967 to 9th of Jan 1968. Was Sr Radio operator. Memory is not what it used to be, hard to remember a lot of the time spent in Bao Lac. When I was a short-timer, everyone signed an Advisory Team paper and I came across a couple of names that are on this website, James Christiano and Neil Olsen, Hoping maybe you guys can jar my memory. I’m glad to see some of the old team is still around.
      Thanks, hoping to hear from you,
      Woody

  15. Hi Joe, My roomate Twoomy was also Air Force grnd radio. I got to the compound in April 67. Not sure but I beileve Twoomy was already there. I was an MI Analyst doing grnd and air surveillance. Have you heard anything about the compound or any of the guys that served there? Tried to locate it on google maps but no luck. That town really changed in 48 years.

  16. I lived at the compound Nov 65 to Nov 66. I was Air Force grnd radio operator working with FACs at that time. On ground and on recon missions.

  17. Is there anyone out there that served at the Bao Loc compound between April 67 and April 68? My memory is failing me and I can only remember the last name of one person from the compound who lived in my building which I believe was Twoomy. I recall my captain (name unknown) was shot down while doing surveilance in a Bird Dog. I used to fly with him and highly respected him for his expertise and courage. There were 2 gunships assigned to Bao Loc and I had the privledge of flying in them with some great and maybe a little crazy pilots on intel missions. The compound where I lived was a couple acres at best with a few concrete buildings built by the French. I was transferred to Pleiku in February or March and always hoped everyone made it out of there OK after Tet.

    • Dennis I was on the Team from June 67 till Feb 68. The Air Force captain that you talk about was Cap Reed he along with the CIA person went down together . And when the Air force sent in help the c130 they sent also crashed . I can also remember flying with the pilots in the choppers they were the greatest. I was the field and house RTO . Another person on the team was Lt Michael Thorp Great s2 guy .
      Enjoy

      • Jim I have a picture of Cpt Reed in the mess hall along with several other officers, enlisted guys, and a movie star, name also unknown, who visited the compound for a day. Would like to know any of their names who you can identify. Also have several pic’s of the compound along with several questions. Can you email me at paten138@aol.com Thx. Dennis

      • Jim, I was one of the gunship pilots from the 155th Assault Helicopter Company out of Ban Me Thout. I spent a good bit of time at Bao Loc during the January to November 1967. I remember the two FAC pilots shot down during my time there. We were, also, shot down, as I remember, southeast of Bao Loc in June or July. We had a LT assigned to MACV with us as an observer. None of us got hurt, we apparently caught a VC unit resting and think we tore them up pretty good. I will be making my fifth trip back over next month and will make one more effort to find the old compound. The AG College and Catholic church are still there, but cannot find or recognize any of the buildings in the compound. Remember the great meals there, especially the pies the cooks made. I am going to copy this same information to a couple other people on this post, also. Good to connect with some of you guys. Al Fitzgerald Falcon 10

        • I was wounded in the hills around Bao Loc on Dec 13, 1968 and was brought out of the Jungle via Medivac on a sling. Any idea who the air crew or unit was that brought me out early Dec 14th?

          • I was with the 155th from Dec 66 to Dec 67. Most of the guys I knew would have been gone by December 68. Sorry I could not be of assistance. Take care, Al

        • My father was the medical advisor assigned to the team from June 66 to June 67. Sgt. James Jones. He passed away Monday night from a fall from Parkinson’s (from agent orange), we have been going through his photos from that time period and have several and a letter from Catholic nuns.

        • Hello, Al.

          Hope you’re well. My father served in Di Linh with MIPHAP Team 4. He served there from 1969 – 1969. Was considering going back for a visit but I assume all the landmarks are built over. He used to be stationed in an old french house there. It was mortared a few times. Not sure if it’s still standing. You mentioned going back a few times. Is there much left of where the Hostpital was or any other landmarks? Wanted to visit and take pictures of Di Linh for him. He recently underwent a liver transplant and I wanted to show him photos of the place he served. Thank you for your time. My email is tggilmartin@gmail.com

    • You may be referring to Hillard “Hilly” Wilbanks…killed in action and was awarded the Medal of Honor. His O 1 was still visible when I first arrived in summer of ’68. It was a marker for us while searching the NE portion of the province. The plane disappeared several months after I started flying the area.

    • I have a picture I believe is of your father shortly after his last mission prior to leaving Bao Loc

      • If you are referring to Gary DeVallance, it would be great to see. If so, then I guess you served with him and I have some of his photos from that time and please let me know how to be in contact to see the photo.

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