Team 18 Huong Thuy

MACV Team 18 – Huong Thuy

This Page is intended for the discussion of the Military Assistance Command Vietnam Team 18 located in Huong Thuy.

31 thoughts on “Team 18 Huong Thuy

    • Bob,
      I was sorry to hear of your Dad’s passing. I served with him in Quang Dien District from January 1969 to April 1969. He was a great man, a good leader and had a great sense of humor. I was a very young Captain and he helped me get adjusted to the advisor’s role. My first encounter with him was when I landed by helicopter and there was this man filling sandbags with no shirt on and he came over to welcome me. Little did I initially know that this was the District Senior Advisor Bob Taggs. That was your Dad leading by example. There was no task he would give another that he wasn’t willing to do, Fond memorieas.
      BG (then CPT) Bob Winzinger

      • Sir,
        Thank you for the reply. Hard to imagine my father with a sense of humor. Compared to my friends fathers growing up mine was very serious and did not mess around. When he did joke around it was very dry. Dad did teach me about having a very good work ethic and to never be lazy, and to help others when you see that they need help. Dad now has grandchildren and one great grand daughter that he never lived to see. Dad did tell me a bit abiut Vietnam and have talked to others that he served with on different tours in Vietnam. I found out from these men that my father had a side to him that only men like you and others that served with him knew. I have commented to family and friends that dad was rare and tough as bar steel. Dad had a special look that could put me in place quick. Dad commented to me qnce that I was too much like him at the same age, I took that as a compliment.

        If you wuld like to share anything you remember, please do so. I want my children and grandchildren to know as much about thier grandfather. I watched dad die and there is never a day that goes by that I do not think about him and the lessons he taught me. Thank you again for your email, it is very appreciated.

  1. Wes Spears, I was on Thua Thien Province staff for most of 1969. I remember Major Fred Telfor as District Senior Advisor at Houng Tra. He was also a big gambler amonst other activities in Hue. By the way, the menu on side of the page should list Advisory Team 18 as Thua Thien Province.

    • Hi Bob, The communists must have renamed Huong Tra somewhere along the line. I Believe it might be Huong Thuy now. Anyway, Huong Tra did have a Major as DSA. I was only there a couple of months in ’69 and did very little except speak with the local Vietnamese trying to learn the Hue dialect. I had spent 47 weeks in DLI at Biggs Field,TX learning Saigon Dialect. The dialects are vastly different and Hue (Central) dialect is only spoken and not written. Huong Tra was a “show piece” MACV team. If a dignitary in the AO wanted to tour a MACV team, they were sent to Huong Tra. After Phu Loc District was overrun about Jun of ’69 and then rebuilt by Jul of ’69, I was sent there from the 5th Platoon 29th Civil Affairs Co in Hue and “commanded” by CPT David Lyon(s) to upgrade the villages and hamlets in the District. I was DEROS from Viet Nam, first tour and first enlistment as a SP6 E-6. I later attended “Bootstrap” at UNO and later commissioned at Ft Benning, GA. I did not retire. I have finally realized that MACV Teams did not have individual numbers like SF Teams. All Thua Tien Province was Team 18. Do you remember the CORDS 1SG in Hue? I had to discontinue wearing subdued US on my “boonie hat” and collars, because he kept saluting me. I’ll bet you hadn’t heard that one in a long time. Talk to you later. Wes Speers

  2. Just found this site. As dates noted are 2 years plus, do not expect a reply, but here goes anyway. Was assigned as Phoenix Advisor, arriving at Phu Loc March of 70. June 10th, was Medevac’d to Camp Eagle, Japan and New York. There was a SSG wounded in our hooch that night. Do not remember a name from that time. Initially the Senior Advisor was a major with part of leg gone. After returning from Vung Tau,(Phoenix indoctrination) He was gone, possibly from a chopper crash. Looking for anyone who was there during that time. If you know of the happening on June 10th, would like to know of anyone who might be still around. Thank you for any reply, the 1st Lt MI.

    • Hi Tom, Your comment just landed in my email at wesxlt@hotmail.com. I must have just missed you when you were assigned to Phu Loc. I left in Mar of 1970. I was the Civil Affairs Advisor in Phu Loc sent from the 29th Civil Affairs Co in Hue. Do you remember the name of the person you replaced? Was it Rudder or Spiller. One was a DIOOC or was it DIOCC, and the other a credentialed Agent. Were you there only Mar-Jun 1970 and then wounded and then sent home? Phu Loc was overrun the month before I arrived. I think I got there in Jul or Aug 1969. I was at Huong Tra near Hue when they were overrun in 1969. Talk to you later. Wes Speers

      • Hi Wes,
        I was stationed at Huong Thuy District located just South of Hue. Camp Eagle was on my West Flank and Phu Bai was located along my Southern Flank. I arrived in country in Mid January and was assigned as the Assistant District Senior Adviser. However shortly after I was assigned, the Senior District Adviser had to go home on Emergency Leave and upon his return was needed up at Province Headquarters with COL John Chism and was assigned there. I then became the District Senior Adviser for Huong Thuy District. That was my final assignment until I left Vietnam at the end of August, 1970.

        Tom

        • Hi Tom, My mistake. I had believed that Huong Thuy was being used as the name for Huong Tra. I don’t think I had a reason to visit Huong Thuy. Huong Tra was located across the perfume River from Hue. From your description of the location of Huong Thuy, Huong Tra and Huong Thuy were two completely different Districts. Odd that Huong Tra is not listed with the District Teams. Col Chism was the PSA while I was in country. Does anyone know his 1SG’s name? Thank you. Wes Speers.

      • Rudder sound familiar, but wouldn’t bet on anything about Nam. This I member. I had been reporting that there was an NVA Battalion in the AO, even had their Order of Battle. No one believed me. June 10th (only the MACV area at Phu Loc) our compound was hit with rockets and mortars. I was medevac’d and next morning my interpreter brought polaroid’s. Only team area that was recognizable was my twisted jeep. Not one round hit anywhere else. (101st BnHg, RufPuf, Marine Cap team, or the district HQ) 1/2 dozen NVA bodies on QL1 next morning. Won’t go into my actions, but always thought I should have received Bronze with V. Now at 73, don’t really give a s*** any more.

        • Your story about attack on Phu Loc brought back a memory. I was the duty Officer at Thua Thien Province Military compound (across from MACV Compound) in January 1969. We were inside the radio shack, a CONEX container reinforced with multiple layers of sandbags. My radio operator, DNCO and RVN counterparts were sitting around when Phu Loc District Team called at about 2130 and said they were under mortar attack. We contacted FAC’s and alerted them to possible need for AC-130 gunship support. While we were talking with Phu Loc the radio operator was reporting what was happening and then he said something to the ‘effect” of “Aw S@#t!” They stopped transmitting, total silence, and we kept calling for about five more minutes before they came back up. We asked for a SitRep and said that an 82mm mortar round had hit the compound, right at “ground zero,” the compound latrine. He said the contents had been spread all over the compound. Thank God there were no occupants, no casualties. We later got a report that the place smelled like you can imagine for three days. War can be funny, if you don’t take it seriously!

          Thanks to all for keeping our memories alive.

  3. Hi Tom. I was assigned to Team 18 for a very short time and do not remember anyone on that team. I was the Civil Affairs Advisor (SP5). I arrived about Apr69 and left Jun69. I had remembered the team’s name as Huong Tra, rather that Huong Thuy. I still don’t know how I managed that error! I spent all of my time trying to learn Hue dialect after having spent 47 weeks learning Saigon dialect. I do remember the guys on the Team where nice to the “new guy”. I was sent to Phu Loc after the Team there was overrun. If someone is looking for a SP4 Sandova,who was 29th Civil Affairs Co, I have a copy of orders for a person of that name and a SSAN on the orders. Do you know the Team number for the Phu Loc Team? Thank you. Wes Speers wesxlt@hotmail.com.

  4. I do not know if this email is heading the right direction. I am replying to John Urbanchuk’s response. There are probably many reasons I do not recall people or events from my time in Viet Nam. I am not going to attempt a psychoanalysis, but just agree that I have forgotten most of my Viet Nam experiences, unless I have dialogued the experience with another Veteran. I remember David Lyon and LTC Lacy because I have letters signed by them. I remember we had a good staff of 1LTs and you were probably one of them. All the officers in Hue supported my efforts in Phu Loc District and I am not sure how I managed that feat! Your email you sent to me arrived in my inbox when I was enroute to the reunion in Ft Bragg NC. I do not have email access when traveling, although I did open yours at the hotel in Raleigh. You missed a great reunion and dedication for the three Civil Affairs Companies. Our “stone” was placed in the Special Operations Memorial Plaza at Ft Bragg, NC and the initial dedication speech was given by the Deputy Commanding General of the Special Operations Command. Hal Youmans (COL Ret) organized this reunion. It was awesome! The next reunion is in two years and being organized by person(s) located on the west coast. You would enjoy the time with our “Brothers” of Civil Affairs. Do you remember Bill Boehm? He was another interpreter from DLI that arrived with me. Bill was sent to Phong Dien and Quang Dien, I believe. I have contact with Bill. He remembers name that I have forgotten. Do you remember the Team Number for the Phu Loc MACV Team. Yes, I know it was 45 years ago. John, you can reach me directly at wesxlt@hotmail.com. If this email is read by anyone else that has information about the Civil Affairs Team in Hue or the MACV Team in Phu Loc, it would be nice to hear from you. Sincerely, Wes Speers

  5. BG (then CPT) Bob Winzinger January 1969 – January 1970 with Quang Dien District and then Province Team in Hue. Served with BG (then COL) Tom Bowen, COL John Chism, LTC Richard Miller, COL (then MAJ) Jim Glaze, MAJ Bob Taggs and many others. Had the pleasure and talking with Tom Bowen before he passed away. He had settled in Buffalo, NY after retirement. He was very instrumental in getting BG (then COL) Le Van Than’s family out of Vietnam to California and susubsequently COL Than after his release fom the Reeducation Camps. The story goes that COL Than never submitted and upon his release was saluted by his captors for his integrity and loyalty COLs Bown and Than were like brothers and both have passed but will always be in my memory. My time in Advisory Team 18 helped shape my life and brings back many fond memories of comrades and experiences.

    • While assigned to Team 18 under Col Bowen I remember he had a real warfighter as an Assistant Province Senior Advisor, a LTC whose name escapes me but his picture is still in my mind (about 5’11, bald, Ranger type, and definitely near his mandatory retirement age.) He was out flying around down in the area of southern Phu Thu District in a Loach helicopter. They saw a man in the marshes carrying a AK47 trying to hide in the grass. They came back around and the guy took some shots at them and the pilot took the Loach down and came up behind the shooter when the LTC leaned out the door and shot the guy in the head, on the run. Another time we were having the weekly Team briefing when the Provincial Marine OpsO gave a report about a Marine CAP Team manning an L shaped ambush along a trail in the area of Nam Hoa District. He reported that at about 2:00 AM the ambush was sprung. Results, 11 VC dogs, KIA, two Marines wounded. It appeared that the two Marines on the ends of each leg of the L shot each other accidently, but fortunately not killing shots. I now live in the area of the 2nd Marine Division and never miss a chance to tell the story of how those Marines were wounded.

  6. I was with Adv Tm 3 when it was divided into Tm 3 and Tm 18 in 1968-69 time period. Tm 3 was with the ARVN and Tm 18, operating out of Hue City dealt with the Province and District Chiefs and their RF/PF forces. I was assigned to Phu Thu District, just southeast of Hue City with Dai Uy Doi. If I am not mistaken, prior to TET, Phu Thu was part of Phu Vang District as represented on the Thua Thien/Hue City map and was split into two Districts before I got there. Served with LTC Lopez, Dist SA; Col Bowen, Prov SA, Maj (later General)John Shalikashvili and had some involvement with the loss of Black Cat UH1 on Feb 6th 1969. I was also attacked by the MACV Goose (yes a real goose) prior to his demise on November 10th 1968. Prior to going over in July 1968, I had been C.O. of Student Company B, USASWS at Ft Bragg. Several thousand Soldiers, Sailors and Marines came through the MATA Sector/Unit and Corps/Division courses as well as PsychOps Crs while I was C.O.

    • This is a reply to comment left by LTC Ronald Bower or someone that has information regarding personnel of MACV Team 18. I was there only a short while and there was a Major as DSA. If I have the correct team, it was a real show piece MACVV Team. I was an interpreter sent there from 29th Civil Affairs Co as the Civiil Affairs advisor around Apr-May 1969. My medical records show Team 18 and that is why I am on this site. I was sent to Phu Loc after the team was over run about Jun 1969. I went there about Jul 1969 after the See Bees rebuilt the place. They did a real nice job. Does anyone know the team number for Phu Loc? CPT David Lyon was 5th PLT CO in Hue for 29th Civil Affairs. Pat Rudder was DIOCC Officer in Phu Loc and John Spiller was an agent sent out from 525 MID Camp Eagle to advise. Does anyone know these guys? I was a shining star to my company, but had not learned the team concept needed to be an effective member of a MACV Team. I pacified all my villages and hamlets in Phu Loc before my DEROS in late Mar 1970. Civil Affairs companies are being honored at the Special Operations Memorial Plaza Jun 3, 2016 for our contributions to the war effort in Viet Nam by a stone being dedicated in the Plaza. I will wear a MACV insignia to honor my assignment with my MACV Team. Maybe someone on this site will even remember me. I was the young guy with the US subdued on my collars that came into the CORDS office in hue sometimes. My name is Wes Speers. Thank You.

      • Wes:
        I do remember you and Dave Lyons. I was the Admin Officer (exec off) for the 5th PLT, 29th CA assigned to Team 18 in Hue from Jan to April 1969, just before Lyons took over. I moved from Hue to Danang to head up a Public Admin team and was assigned to CORDS I CTZ where I finished out my tour. Remember SFC Box or LT Sandy Hutchinson??

  7. Robert: Ralph – No word. But, I thought you might like to hear about Chief Bob McDonald’s passing 24 Oct. (KDH Obits 26 Oct). I didn’t know him, but I think you worked under him.
    Were you aware he was a paratrooper in the 82d Abn Div, retired CW2, & a Vietnam and Korean War Vet? Anyway, thanks for your recent reply. My email is: fsullivan003@hot.rr.com in case you’re interested.

  8. Looking for members of team 18 in Houng Thuy district, Thua Thien province from 1969 to 1971. Sp4 Sanddoval, Doc Miller, Capt De Young, Lt. Amis, Sp/4 Kashat. Any news of the fate of our counterparts.

    • I was with Team 18 Feb 70 – Jan 71. Served as S-5 Advisor to Thua Thien Provincial Staff and conducted PsyOps flights over province. Worked directly for Marine LtC, under Col Chism. Went to Fort Hood (78th Arty, 2AD) and was discharged 2 May 1972. Became a police officer; am currently teaching criminal justice at Midland College, Midland, Texas.

      Robert W. Peetz, Cpt., FA

      • Hey Dai-Uy – The last timt I saw you was in front of my 14×80 in Cedar Grove, Copperas Cove (mid-70’s). Did you ever get hired by the FBI? We were assigned to Tm 18 in Hue. I worked in the Sector Intel Office for MAJ Paul Smith and earlier for CPT Ralph Spears. It would be great to hear from you again!!

      • Robert: Nothing from Ralph. But I thought you might like to hear about the death of your former Chief, Bob McDonald. He passed 24 Oct (KDH Obits 26 Oct). He was CW2, Ret-USA, member of the 82d Abn Div and a Korean/ Vietnam War Vet. More info at KDHNews.com if you’re interested. Thanks for your reply. If you feel the urge, email me at fsullivan003@hot.rr.com. Fred S. P.S. I posted a similar reply about 1hr ago. So here it is again.

    • Robert,

      I don’t have any photos of team 18 members, but I do have one photo made at 18’s HQ the fall of ’68. The teams motto was posted on the side of the “cupboard” –“Man cannot live by bread alone, he must have meat”. It has a pair of sheer panties attached over the sign.
      I’m with Team 3 Thua Thien Hue if you want to contact me.
      Capt Charles “Chuck” Thurmond.

    • I’m Tom Germer and I was the Senior Advisor with Team 18 from January 1970 until August 1970 and remember Sp4 Sanddoval, also SSG Edwards who was wounded when the NVA came in on the north side of our compound and fired RPGs at us killing some of the Vietnamese guards and wounding SSG Edwards. I came into the team as a new captain and the DSA went on Emergency Leave just after I got there. When he returned he was transferred to Province and I was assigned as the DSA. MAJ Tran Tien Dau was the District Chief, an outstanding officer whom I admired greatly. I heard he was moved down South after I left to another District that was right on the border.

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