Team 3 Thua Thien Hue

MACV Team 3 – Thua Thien Hue.

This Page is intended for the discussion of the Military Assistance Command Vietnam Team 3 located in Thua Thien Hue.

577 thoughts on “Team 3 Thua Thien Hue

  1. I just met Paul Abbott who was at Hue MACV Compound and Adv Tm #3 from Apr ’66 to Apr ’67 as a crew chief for L-19. He’d like to hear from others: 704-891-2922. He’s not on the blog yet but may get on it.

    • I just happened upon site while searching for more identifying information about Major Edward R. Frank ( posthumously awarded Lt. Col.). Maybe someone can shed some more light on what I know, which is: Last (4th) tour to Vietnam began 10/21/1966. He was 5th Special Forces Group as I recall by my memory’s vision of the patch on his beret, but have exhaustively searched all S.F. camps, dates, “after actions” reports, etc. with no mention of him. Unit of assignment was ARVN ABN ADV DET, ADV Team 3, HQ, MACV Advisors, MACV. Limited info of his death: hostile, dies outright, multiple fragments, ground casualty. Event: undetermined. Form DA2496: no unit or location, attack on unidentified outpost. I remember (from letters) he said he was in Hue and saw photos from there, which look like the Hue compound from file photos. Western Union telegram stated he was mortally wounded by mortar and rocket fire on command outpost on May 18, 1967. His remains were returned in a metal coffin that was welded shut, I presume because his remains were in what is called “severe wrap”. What conflicts is Vietnam Memorial site info states death happened in Quang Tri Provence (with no specific location), not Thua Thien Provence where Hue is. The only other things I can remember is he said he had been in Laos (with and with out orders), and over to Vietnam twice with no military record of such on file (CIA ?). This is about all the info that has been made available to me, and the same or less than any remaining family knows. Any additional info that any one can provide would be of great interest to me, and help clear up any confusion or doubts. A tremendous thanks to all of you for you service to our country.

    • Does anyone remember PFC Michael P. Randall, assigned to ARVN ABN ADV DET, ADV Team 3, HQ, MACV Advisors, MACV beginning July of 1966. He was a radio operator (Airborne).

    • I arrived after he left. I basically replaced Bob Stuler as G-2 Advisor and Recon Co Advisor. Did several months with Trinh Sat (Recon) until they could free up an Aussie W/O to replace me before TET. Did two lengthy multi day patrols and a lot of convoy escort duty (mostly to Dong Ha,) a couple of “Palace Guard” details and one security operation for ARVN 105mm artillery in support of the ARVN Airborne Southeast of Hue.
      Very temporarily replaced an ARVN Abn advisor who was KIA by an NVA who popped out of a spider hole (Bob Arvin, after whom the West Point gym is dedicated.) What a coincidence, an American advisor to the ARVN named ARVIN. For a day I was the only “leg” advisor to the ARVN Abn. Great troops, very disciplined and high morale. We got mortared (60s) while in the open and they acted like it was an everyday occurrence and no big deal. I tried to dig a 40 foot deep foxhole in thirty seconds. Don’t think I impressed the ARVN.

  2. I was supposed to be on that helicopter.  I sent one of my enlisted men in my place.  Fortunately, he was not on it at the time of the crash.  I was in the 1st ARVN TOC when word came that it was missing.  I started the failed search and rescue mission.  I did not know that he had gotten off, when I first heard it was missing.  He called to say he was waiting in Quang Tri for it to return and pick him up.  Joel Weisberg  

    • I think I’ve posted this before but I was working in the TOC with you when this happened. The enlisted man on the flight was Larry Cravens. He lived in the same hootch as several other of the G-2 people. Can’t remember where he was from. Gary Roberts may know.

  3. Hello, Wondering if anyone has read the book Village at War: An Account of Revolution in Vietnam; written by James Walker Trullinger, Jr. The book focuses on My Thuy Phuong Village, located about 7 miles sw of Hue, in Huong Thuy District. Highway 1 ran through the village. In 1968 the 101st established Camp Eagle in the western part of the village. While the book has a good history and analysis of how the VC took and maintained control of this village, I found the book to have a decided anti-U.S., anti-GVN, but pro-VC bias, but I was wondering what other readers who had experience with the area might have thought. Thanks, and glad you all made it home.

    • Hi Randy, I have not read the book. I was a BN advisor with the 1st ARVN Div in 1968/69. I got in country in August of 1968 and I can tell you from first hand experience that the VC did not control ANYTHING post Tet The National Liberation Front (NLF) almost was completely non existent and the VC units were being manned by NVA regulars to keep up appearances.

    • Randy: I was District Senior Adviser at Phu Thu District, just east of Huong Thuy (jJuly 68-March 69) I traveled the roads of Houng Thuy every other day and never had any inkling of VC activity there. As far as the Southern portion of Huong Thuy, the eastern edge of the area you are talking about had a large bay bordering the eastern edge of Phu Bai and was relatively pacified. The VC presence as I knew it, were mostly VC from the mountain Districts of Phu Loc and Nam Hoa District who came down to the coast for R&R when wounded, convalescing “at the beach” so to say. They would come over by Sampan. There were sporadic shots fired at us, and within the zone but only be individuals or small teams who were discovered E&E’ing into Phu Thu.

      • Randy and Ron, the R&R beach area was actually VinLoc island. THe NVA and what was left of the VC (post Tet) used VIN Loc as an R&R area. In SEP or OCT (can’t remember exactly), 3/54 Inf (I was the senior advisor) and units of the 101st first Brigade conducted a joint operation and cleaned out VinLoc completely. At one point, we were taking upwards of 60-90 prisoners a day. We had to call in CH47 Chinooks to haul em out. The operation actually made the evening news. An additional bene was one of the enemy kia had been a high ranking NLF guy who was one of the people responsible for the mass executions in Hue. I had to personally take his body out for identification..

  4. hi everyone, first and foremost i would like to thank each and everyone here for ur service . my name is Kathy Rinehart. i was adopted out back in 1966 but i have since reunited with my bio family and on my mother’s side i have found out i had an uncle by the name of Ronald Harrison Allbright that was killed in action April 26,1970 in Thua Thien-Hue. selective service,specialist 4th class , company A co, 327th inf.,1st Bn,province military region 1, light weapons infantry. if any of you great men remember him , i would love to hear about you and him, And again thank you from the deepest part of my heart . oh , He was from Trinity Tx.

    • Kathryn, I did not know your uncle but I served as an District Advisor in Thua Thin Province and I was familiar with the 1/327. They were part of the 101st ABN Div and operated out of a series of bases west of Hue. The 1/327 saw a lot of action in the central highlands during that period. Best of luck making contact with some vets that knew your uncle. Your best bet would probably be through some Vet groups that were part of the 101st. My dad was in the 101st in WWII and I know they have several active web sites.

      • To Tom Odom: Hello Tom again. Fred Drew here. I presume you are back from your recent trip to Hue. I am looking forward to seeing some updated photos….I am still trying to post four Hue MACV Compound Newsletters that I had scanned years ago….on this message, I will try to attach the May 31, 1968 newsletter, it is 8 pages long….and hopefully it will attach, for others also to see, copy, etc. Fred Drew.

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        • Fred, I’m not sure how to post Pics on this site but I’ll try to get some to you via email. You may then be able to post.
          Tom

          • TOM, you are correct, just heard back from administrator……SO….TO ALL TEAM THREE MEMBERS DURING TET OR AFTER…I HAVE FOUR OF THE HUE MACV NEWSLETTERS….CONTACT ME DIRECT AT FDREW@BAK.RR.COM….AND I WILL FORWARD THEM TO YOU…THEY ARE FROM: MAY AND JUNE, 1968…..CHEERS, FRED DREW…..

      • Hi Tom…my name is Maureen Murphy my father is still living and served in Team 3 in 1969..Sergeant Timothy Murphy originally from Cork,Ireland. I came across this site and I know he would love to connect with those he served with..any help would be appreciated and he does have a lot of pics I would love to share..God Bless all of you for your service!

        • Hello Maureen, I was with Team 3 from Jan. 1968 to Nov, 1968. Do you or your father recall what assignment he had in Team 3? Also, was Sgt Murphy in the Army or Marines? We had plenty of both. If your father was there in 1969 we probably did not cross paths but we certainly may have known some of the same people. I would be glad to send you some pictures of my tour in ’68 as well as some pictures of my recent trip back to Hue, Vietnam. My email is tomodom@odomstanley.com. How is your Dad’s health? I know the years just keep rolling along!
          Best regards, Tom

    • hello kathryn

      you may want to post a listing on our lost and found site to find someone who served with your father.
      vietvet.org. the link to the lost and found is near the top of the page.

      best
      bill mcbride

    • Does any one have info on Tm 3 that went missing presumed dead on Apr 15, 1971..6 men the base they were out of, info what A.O. they were sent in and what was done to find them? Getlfinger Wilson, Pacheco, Dukiewtz, Carrol, Crowley

  5. My husbands uncle Larry Yielding was killed April 30, 1970 in a Helicopter Crash. Did anyone know him or serve with him? We would appreciate any information or stories about him.

  6. The Kelly you mentioned was COL Peter Kelly, Senior Advisor to the First ARVN Div. I do not recall any New Zealand personnel in Team 3 but that may have been prior to my arrival in late August 1967.

    • John Doherty, I remember your name. This is Fred Drew. I was a 1LT, just in from Bn adv with 2bn, 3 Regt, about Dec, worked for Col Kelly, before he left; then for Adkinson. I was on the team with Capt Jim Coolican USMC, and Frank Doezema…all three of us came in to new jobs in Dec 67; Jim went to Hac Bao….I am blown away by some of the comments on this site, which I just found…I did 20 years and retired as an 05; I was with a few of the rag tag volunteers who went south on Hwy 1, in a flat bed truck and picked up dead and wounded marines on the first day, also got 30 children out of a basement of a school two blocks from the compound on day 2…the marines were totally screwed up, and there was no command and control….it was a mess….my wife and I went back in 2008, spent a week in Hue and a week in Saigon, jan, Feb, 2008, to commemorate the 40th anniversary. of TET. I was going to go this coming jan for the 50th, but Jim Coolican and Capt Hue, who got to the states years ago, are not going, so I am not. I am going to take a couple of days and read all the comments from the TET 68 time frame, and hope to connect with some others…..Cheers to all of you who were in the Compound on the early morning of Jan 31, 1968 . Fred Drew.

      • Fred, I got to Hue the last part of Jan ’68 and I remember you as one of the first people I met. I was also a 1LT assigned to the Nam Hoa District team. Our Sr Advisor was an Australian Maj and we had an Aussie WO named Ozzie Ostera, an RTO named Nelson Rodriguez and an SFC Medic. The Aussie Maj was in Saigon for Tet and the rest of the team was sent to Nam Hoa the evening of Jan 30, my 1st night in the field. We were there until Feb 14 when Adkinson had us pulled back to Hue. I recall landing at the park adjacent to the LCU ramp and running for cover on the way to the MACV Compound. I was never able to understand why we left Nam Hoa and all the RF/PF to fend for themselves. Never had much respect for the MACV chain of Command after that.

        I later spent time with the 82nd and 1st SF Group, later went back to school on the GI Bill and had a career in manufacturing. Now retired and live in Tennessee near kids and grandkids. Where are you now and what have you done post military?

        Tom Odom

        • WOW TOM…I do remember you…yes, the whole command and control during TET, especially in Hue was a total mess….and the Marines, God bless them, were totally screwed up….they had some general in Da Nang telling them to cross the river on the first or second day, I was down at the LCU Ramp with dead and wounded waiting for an LCU (you remember the weather had socked in)…anyway, I watched a company get the shit beat out of them on the bridge….speaking of Aussies, I did two years of my 20 at the Australian infantry Centre, 77-79, as a major…and ran into several of the warren officers that were in Adv Team three…cant remember their names…but they where , as I remember , really good soldiers….I retired in 84, LTC, came back to Bakersfield, CA…my home town, single….spent 13 years with a non profit community action agency, and 14 as the Emergency Medical Services, department director of kern county…than I ran the local Community Foundation for a couple years…lots of community stuff….retirec 8 years a go from all of that….now spend time volunteering for Honor Flight, and help raise money for sending the WWII and Koriean vets to Wash DC…. my wife and I went back to VN in 2008….Jan, Feb, one week in Hue,a nd one week in Saigon (my second tour, I commanded a mech company of the 25th near Tay Ninh…) anyway, it was good…Hue of course had changed, and the people loved Americans….Tom, send me a picture of you in VN to my email: fdrew@bak.rr.com. I will do the same…I have had two reunions recently with my B Co, 4-23 iNF….was great…the guys wanted me there…also,in 2007 I was inducted into the OCS HOF; and last year I became the Honorary Col, of the 23rd Inf Reg…a great honor…I go to Fort Lewis a lot for stuff, as two active battalions of the 23 Regt are there…cheers, glad you doing ok….Fred, out for now. vr, Fred Drew.

          • Fred, My email is: tomodom@odomstanley.com. I am in the process of putting a bunch of slides and pictures, from Vietnam, into a format that can be easily sent via email. I’ll get you a copy. I have a bunch that were taken on Jan 30, 1968 on a morning/afternoon trip to a Royal Tomb in Nam Hoa with Ozzie Ostera, Tony Eagan and several other Aussie WO’s. As you recall, it was the 1st day of the “Tet Truce” and a holiday. We were on a sight seeing trip and had brought some captured weapons to test fire at Regional Force OP in Nam Hoa. We all later suspected that NVA were probably watching us the entire day. Crazy!

            • Thanks Tom. make sure a pic of you at that time. I will email you what I have…a few of them taken in 2008 when my wife and I returned to Hue. also the four weekly Tm 3 newsletters that I had found years ago, and some interesting info in them. fdrew@bak.rr.com….Bakersfield CA….661-327-0551.

      • Lt Drew,
        I remember you very well. My name is Tom Boyce and I too have just discovered this site. I was with Adv Tm 3 from Nov 67 to Nov 68 in the G-2 section at ARVN HQ with the rank of Spec4 (later Spec5). On the night of 30 Jan 68 I was in the chow line when you approached me to inform me that you were going on R&R to meet your wife in Hawaii the following day and that I would be acting as the Colonel’s aide while you were gone.
        I told you that I had second shift guard duty that night which ment that I got the next morning off and so would be unable to cover for you.
        You said let me see what I can do.
        You returned to the chow hall later and told me that I was all set. A replacement was picked for guard duty so I was to report to the Colonel in the morning.
        You didn’t go on R&R and I didn’t pull guard duty that night. The rockets and mortars began at 0340 the next morning.
        Frank Doezema had taken my place at post #2. His actions probably saved the compound and our lives. He died defending his post.
        That’s all I can write right now.

        Respectfully,
        Tom Boyce

        • Tom Boyce:

          Forgive me, the ravages of old age on my memory have been severe. I have trouble recalling our G-2 people except Maj Sanchez and Captains Duda and Knickerbocker. I also recall Lt Stuler with the Recon Co and I do remember a SSGT/SFC Kimes. Your reply to Fred Drew triggered some major memories of 1/31/68 @ 0340. Just before midnight I had gone to Div HQ to clear an Arclight and probably drove right through half
          the North Vietnamese Army in their jump off positions. Thank God they were disciplined because they could have taken me out in a heartbeat.
          I seem to recall that Sgt Kimes had to clear another strike after midnight and he may have wound up trapped at Div HQ. I got hit three times in Hue and then after being medevaced on a log ship to Da Nang I went to my parent unit the 525th MI Battalion in Cho Lon where I got hit again
          the night before I went home. I don’t remember the exact date I left Hue but it was between the 7th and the 14th of February so I missed a lot of the battle. Can you give me the names of the other G-2 people I’ve forgotten please? I’m 77 and not the sharpest knife in the drawer. Thanks and glad to hear you are doing well.

          • John Doherty

            I remember you Captain. Nothing specific comes to mind at the moment but I remember you as tall, thin, blond with glasses and that you may have been from Massachusetts? I could be wrong but it’s strange what you retain.

            As for G-2 most of us were quartered in the southeast hooch in the compound, a few more were housed more toward the center.
            Some names I remember are Maj Sanchez of course (later replaced with Maj Click) Lt Bishop, Lt Puma and Sgt Kimes. There was another SSGT but I can’t think of his name. I can see his face as plain as day but can’t remember his name. The specialists were Homer Jean Buck from Oklahoma, John Rittenhouse from Baltimore, Jim Hollister Cali I think, John Lockhan (sp?), Marty Albritten (S-2) from the New Orleans area, Tom Konasheta Hawii, Kilpatrick, who came in near the end of the offensive and Ernie McPeak.
            I remember Kilpatrick gaging and covering his nose and mouth when he first arrived. I asked him what was wrong and he said, how can you guys stomach the stench and I said, what stench.

            I’m sure I’m forgetting some but they may come to me. Capt Williams, a Marine, may have been part of G-2.

            Anyway, I was 19 way back then. I’m 69 now with a wife, six children and eight grandchildren.

            I’ve just discovered this site and I’ve got some reading to do.

            Thanks for your reply and I look forward to sharing more memories here.

            • Tom Boyce:

              Your memory is great. I was 6’3″ and rather scrawny with red hair and from Andover, MA, 25 miles due North of Boston. I’ve been i n touch with Jim Hollister and I do recall Homer Buck. Nelson Rodriguez and I met up on FB about a year ago and I have contacted retired USMC Col Jim Coolican. Jim and I went to the re-dedication of Frank Doezema’s grave outside of Kalamazoo, MI a number of years ago. For some reason the original VA plaque on Frank’s grave was all wrong but one of the local County Commissioners took it upon himself to straighten it out and we had a very nice ceremony to re-dedicate it. Having met his family I can see why he was such a nice guy- they are wonderful folks. I don’t discuss either of my Vietnam tours with my family much but they do understand what we all owe Frank and my Daughter learned his name and what he did at a very early age.

              • I’m glad you stayed in touch with Jim. In my 3 years of service, I never met a better man. I remember him as a very caring man. He took a keen interest in the locals and cared about their welfare. He was very giving. Every night he’d leave the hooch to make the rounds to the guard posts just to keep the guards company for awhile.
                A good man.

            • Tom Boyce and others from Jim Hollister: You have a great memory! I have communicated some with CPT John Doherty and Marty Albritton and remember CPT Duda and CPT Knickerbocker, Rittenhouse, McPeek, Buck and I believe I remember you. I was SP4 G-2 Order of Battle from June ’67 to June ’68 and originally from near Cincinnati, Ohio.

              I sure would appreciate any pictures of any of us since in early 1970’s someone borrowed all my pictures and then moved away with the pictures–and I have none.

              Great book: “Palace Gate: Under Siege in Hue City:Tet, January, 1968” by LTC Brown from the compound. Much about the compound is only in the appendix which has fourteen pages about the first seven days of Tet at the compound; when first attack happened he turned on his reel-to-reel recorder and then came back and narrated on the one channel (I guess) and then transcribed it on paper for the book. Get the book presumably Amazon or e-mail me as I saved the appendix on attachment and can send it to you: jimhollister@juno.com Great stuff!

              Great to hear about so many of you all!

              Jim Hollister

              • Jim, when LTC Brown originally had his book published he also had made some copies of his audiotape- one of which I have. Incredible that he had the presence of mind to tape the TET Offensive. Of course this is the guy who “unofficially” may or may not have landed his plane at an airstrip in Laos on more than one occasion. Urban legend says that he may have even had one or more passengers from Team # 3. Quite a guy- three war veteran and consumate gentleman.

                • A few years ago when I got the book I tried to call his personal phone as instructed in the book to get a copy of the tape. It was a disconnected number. Thirty seconds of the battle sounds of that tape were played on LTC Oliver North’s War Stories on Hue during Tet. It is amazing! Is the copy of the tape something that could be copied that I could get?

                  • I’ll locate it somewhere in my house and make some copies. I treasured it so highly I can’t remember where I put it! It’s definitely here though.

                    • Good Morning John….last week of chemo and radiation…tumor in neck gone…doing good….thanks to you for connecting with Jim Hollister, as I have sent him some pics…and I also would like a copy of that tape….Take care, Fred.

                    • Best of luck in chemo/radiation- been there done that and surgery as well. I’ll copy you when I get the tape copied.

                    • john, i would like a copy too. i’m probably going to meet up with ray lau in late may and i’m sure he would like to have a copy.

                      best,

                      bill mcbride

                    • Is that something that you could post to YouTube and give everybody a shortcut to so that everybody could listen to it

                    • Whoa that’s way beyond my computer paygrade. I’ll talk to my Daughter and her boyfriend and see if that can be done. It’s fairly long and may not be suited for that type of dissemination. I’m on it.

          • Hi John:

            I remember you as the best G-2 briefer we had. Captain Bob Williams, USMA was the head of the interrogation team attached to us. Homer worked for him. Bob was my room mate and when the mist cleared that first morning of Tet, he noticed our Flag had been blown down by the explosions during the night. He grabbed a couple of other marines and put it back up.
            I just found a book called “The Siege at Hue” by George W. Smith. George was the Public Information Officer for our team and I remember he told me in early Feb he was going to write a book about the battle. He did, but it took him thirty years to do it. I believe he passed away last year.
            I last saw Bob Duda at his wedding at Ft Holabird, around 1968-69. I believe they were planning on moving to New Jersey.

            • To Dave Knickerbocker….Hi Dave, this is Fred Drew….in your comment to John D, you mentioned another book written about the Battle of Hue, one, which I had not ever heard of….do you know the publisher…I checked Amazon, and not found it so far. Thanks, Fred Drew.

              • Hi Fred:

                I bought the book on Amazon just a few months ago. Publisher Lynne Rienner.Publishing. Let me know if you need more information.

                Dave K.

                  • As it is soon the 50th anniversary of the battle, I thought it would be appropriate to write down some things I heard and saw that were not in the books I have read concerning the first day and I would urge all of you to do the same.

                    On January 31, 1968, I was a Captain, serving as the Assistant G-2 Advisor to the 1st ARVN (Army of the Republic of Vietnam) Division in the City of Hue (pop 140,000). Early in the morning on the first day of the Vietnamese holiday of Tet, 10,000 VC and NVA troops assaulted and took most of the city. The only hold outs were the 1st ARVN Division Headquarters and the MACV (Military Assistance Command Vietnam) compound where I was located along with several hundred military personnel.

                    Others have described the battle far better than I could, I just want to note some of things I saw and heard that first day. During an attack, we all had our assigned positions. Mine was in my room, which was on the bottom floor of a two-story structure that had been an old motel with two rooms and a bath in each suite. Two of us slept in the front and one in the back room. My bed was next to the window which looked directly onto the front gate. We were to defend that gate which was on the north side of the compound. To do so I had an automatic weapon with one 20 round clip. Fortunately, no attack came from that direction. I should also mention there were probably 20 to 30 others with the same mission including one of my roommates, Captain Bob Williams, USMC.

                    The attack started about 3:30 am when a mortar round hit about 15 feet outside my room, destroying two jeeps and covering me with glass. Now awake, I dressed, found my weapon and looked out the window to see the jeeps burning next to the main gate. Shortly thereafter, I heard small arms being fired on the south side of the compound and a machine gun located about 50 feet to my right on a tower opened up. I then heard an explosion and the machine gun stopped firing. I found out later it was knocked out by a Rocket Propelled Grenade (RPG) round, mortally wounding the Sargent manning that position.

                    Rifle, automatic weapons fire, and explosions continued thru the night, sometimes intense, sometimes sporadic. At daybreak, the sounds seemed to be more distance rather than in and around the compound. About 8:00 the mist cleared and we looked out to see what appeared to be a North Vietnamese flying over the city. As we were looking around, Bob noted that our flag had been blown down by the force of some of the explosions, so, in great Marine tradition, he gather up several other Marines, and put it back up. It was a very welcome sight over the next 24 days.

                    I was soon called to the Command Bunker. The Division Senior Advisor, Colonel Adkinson, a Korean War vet and West Point graduate, directed me to contact the Corps Senior Advisor and get him on the phone for him. After what seemed to be a long time, I got thru and handed the phone to him and he said, as best as I remember it, “…I want you to know we are surrounded and cut off. We are just about out of ammunition and medical supplies. If somebody does not break thru to us, we will not make it thru the night.”

                    Unknown to us, a Marine task force set out to reach us about 8:30 am from the Marine base at Phu Bai 7miles south of us. They reached us about 3:30 pm and two Marine officers came into the Command Bunker and greeted Col. Adkinson. Adkinson told the Marine Company Commander to position his unit around the compound but the Marine Captain stated he could not do that as his orders were to reach the MACV Compound and then proceed across the river and go to the 1St ARVN Division Headquarters and escort General Truong, the Division Commander, to Phu Bai. Adkinson responded by stating he had spoken with General Troung a number of times during the day and he was safe in his Headquarters and if you do make it to his Headquarters he certainly would not leave it to go with you to Phu Bai. But, you can do a great thing for our country by taking your unit several blocks from here and bring his wife and children back here as he is very worried about her. The Captain replied that he had his orders and he turned around and left the Bunker. Several of us followed him out and told him the bridge he had to cross was partially blown and they would have to cross on foot in clear sight of an unknown number of enemy automatic weapons positions and then would have to deal with the Citadel, a medieval type of fort with moats and 30-foot-tall walls 40 feet thick. Once again, he stated he had his orders and went to gather up his unit. They returned about an hour or so later carrying with them 10 dead and 56 wounded, about 1/3rd of his unit.

                    I learned much later that a call had been made back to his Headquarters to explain the situation had changed, but, they were told to proceed as ordered. I have also learned that the original enemy attack plan for the MACV Compound included two NVA Battalions, however, one got lost on their way to us and the other diverted by some unexpected resistance.

                    For those interested in more details, I recommend “The Siege at Hue” by George W. Smith. George was an advisor assigned to our Advisor Team and was in the Compound when it was attacked. I met him there and he told me he was going to write a book about the battle and he did 30 years later. Another book with much more detail is “HUE 1968 A Turning Point of the American War in Vietnam” by Mark Bowden that was published in 2017.

                    By the way, I just heard they were going to make a move based on the Bowden book.

                    Dave K.

                    • Dave: Great background on the siege. I was not there during Tet, arriving in July 1968. Initially I was quartered in the hotel on the second floor. One of the first things I noticed was the sandbags stacked on the walkway outside my room. I lived in the back, 2nd deck,, facing what remained of the school off in the near distance. I was told that the school had been a strongpoint for the NVA/VC and it suffered the consequences.(I have a picture of the school from my balcony viewpoint. If you contact me at rbower@ec.rr.com I will forward it to you or anyone else who wants it. It is really unknown the number of personal pictures taken which can flesh out the story but lie in someone’s memory box or on a computer. We have all seen the iconic pictures of the wounded Marine on the tank [recently interviewed on TV]. but there are probably thousands of others which would tell the story even more.) Your comments added much to the history. Thanks

                    • To Ron Bower: Please send me any photos you have of the building you mention. I have a photo of a Marine Quad 50 firing at the building…thanks, Fred Drew (fdrew@bak.rr.com)

                    • Fred Drew to Dave Knickerbocker: Thank you for your recollection of that first morning and day…I had voluneered to take some wounded down to the LCU ramp, and wait for LCUs coming from Da Nang or Phu Bai because of he bad weather, no Helicopters could come in…I was with a Sgt and we scraped a very shallow fox hole while waiting….I watched that Marine Company go across the bridge, and the NVA letting them get to the north end, and then opened up on them; it was devastating….the Sgt and I opened up firing across the river, but did not do any good….I have always thought that that was such a waste of human beings….in Bowden’s new book, there is one sentence about this on page 146. Ugh.

                    • @ Dave Knickerbocker………This is Richard Vaughn, USMC ’67-’70. I was stationed at the MACV Compound from around June ’68 to Aug ’69 with the Marine security detachment and found this post from Marine Cpl Mishler on his account that first night of the TET attack on the compound at post#2. I personally know Cpl. Mishler (Mish), met him when I arrived there until he rotated back to the ‘world’. I thought I’d share this with you after reading your above post and thank you for posting your account. Hope this will be informative to you since Mish was there with you at that time.

                      My name is Michael Mishler. I was at the time Corporal Mishler, assigned to 3rd Marines, Marine Security.

                      On January 31st 1968 Post #2 of the MACV compound was my post. That was the tower that Frank Doezema died in. It was not an unmanned position, I know because I was there.

                      When Frank got there, it was manned by me, Corporal Robertson, and another Marine named Hall, who was a driver for a Colonel.

                      We took three rounds, not to mention multiple small arms fire. One of the rounds blew off the roof, the second one blew a hole in the floor, and the third one seriously injured Frank and wounded all the rest of us.

                      Frank certainly deserves the medal he received, but I take offense at the post being called an unmanned one, because I was there manning it before Frank came to the tower.

                      If Frank had not shown up, I would’ve been the one behind the machine gun. Frank said it was his gun so I gave it over to him. A short time later, he was dead… It could have been me.

                      Robertson and I were never awarded any medals besides a Purple Heart, because Robertson and I were the two ranking Marines from that detachment and never wrote each other up, we were just doing our job.

                      It is true, the main attacking force came at that position and we defended it.

                      I’ve always felt guilty that Frank Doezema died in that tower, if he had not said the gun was his, I would’ve been the one who died. I owe him my life.

                      I’m sorry if this offends anyone, but I am a United States Marine and did not desert my post.

                    • My name is Marty Albritton and I was an Army Specialist 5 stationed at the Hue MACV Compound from Oct 67-68. I served guard duty in the same tower many times. I imagine that Frank felt he was relieving you when he took over the gun. Many of us alternated duty at that post. No one should accuse you of deserting your post. But I have never read an account that there was anyone in the tower beside Frank. I believe the story of the compound defense needs to be told and I am planning to start a project to do so. Please send me an email to mashreveport@yahoo.com so we can communicate. And I invite and encourage all serviceman who were in the MACV Compound during the Tet Offensive of 1968 to drop me a line. Thanks.

                    • I just finished “Hue 1968”..As with most accounts of TET 1968, it would be very diffcult not to eliminate some people/places/things of interest…I was in Phu Bai, Camp Evans and Hue from 10 Jan to 25 Dec 1968…at the insistence of my daughter and inspiration from reading, to include Bowden’s book, I am writing my personal account of 1968. I told my daughter that it is ok if she is the only one who reads it…smile…means I have to live a bit longer…I love this site!

                    • Bill, I also have written an account of my experience in Vietnam in 1968. It was first suggested by the leader of my PTSD Group but it turned into much more than a therapy exercise. It was started in 2009 and has been added to and edited ever since. One of the final chapters is . about my return trip this year. Send me your email address to tomodom@odomstanley.com and I’ll get you a copy. Regards, Tom

              • Wow. Im just an 11 year old kid and I was doing a report on the battle of Hue and I found this message board. I really think you guys are heroes of our country, and from what I understand, nobody recognized that when you came back to the states. I actually got interested in hue when I read the book ya’ll were talking about. Thank you for your service, Frank L.

                • Frank
                  I am impressed that you have taken an interest in American History. And just as impressed that your teacher has encouraged you to read about the Battle of Hue. I am sure any of the members of site will be happy to answer your questions.

                  • Currently, I am reading Dispatches by Michael Herr. Im pretty sure he was at Hue. I am really enjoying the book. I think Herr also wrote Apocalypse Now, thats one of my favorite movies.

                    • Frank:

                      Please understand that movies like that are produced to entertain and sell tickets, not to inform. If you enjoyed it, great, but do not believe all of it.
                      I have not read your book, but will look it up based on your recommendation.

                    • I’m so sorry. The movie was nothing compared to what you have been through. Stay Strong, Frank 🇺🇸🇺🇸

                    • If the book “Vietnam’s Forgotten Army: Heroism and Betrayal in the ARVN” is not on your list of reading materials, please add it if you would like a South Vietnamese perspective on the battle. The Hac Bao commander, Tran Ngoc (Harry) Hue and one platoon of his 200 man company, stopped the NVA attack across the airfield screwing up the NVA’s schedule, and Tran saving the 1st ARVN Division headquarters. I was not in Hue at the time but later served with Tran along the DMZ when our South Vietnamese cavalry unit was attached to his battalion. He lives in Falls Church, VA and would be delighted to sign your book should the opportunity exist.

                    • I was a 1st Lt Asst Advisor to 1/3/1 and worked with Harry some when our regular ARVN Bat. C O was seriously wounded in Jan. ’69. He was a fine tactician and what I call a soldiers’ soldier. His story is fantastic. Please take time to read this book as it will open your eyes as to the accomplishments of the Vietnamese Army.

                • Hey Frank L., I was in Hue for the battle and there were a lot of very brave men who fought. Many died and many more were wounded. They were Soldiers, Marines, Airmen and Sailors and few received the credit they deserved. I am proud to have known many of them. Glad to hear of your report. Tom Odom

                  • To Ned, Charles and Tom Odom….Tom you are of course correct; and Charles , if you had the privilege of serving with or around Harry, you are a lucky guy….I was a 1LT Asst Adv for 2nd Bn, 3rd Regt, and had been reassigned to be the assistant to the Sr Adv just before TET, so my work station was at Div Hdqs, and I had a bunk in one of the pooches in the MACV Compound…I had been on the advisory team with Capt Jim Coolican (USMC) and my RTO was Frank Doezema , all three of us had been reassigned just before TET….Jim went to Tac Bao, and was in the compound the early morning of jan 31…he got across the river to be with then Capt Hue (Harry) on Feb 1 or 2….there were a lot of experienced combat vets in the compound when the crap hit the fan, and that was one of the reasons that we were able to protect the compound, and got south on Hwy 1 and get that first convoy into the compound early morning of Jan 31….Capt Hue story is legandary….a couple months later, Jim Coolican left country for an extended period, I think about three weeks, and I had the preveledge of replacing him for that time, and spent that time with Hac Bao…well, I could not “replace” Capt Coolican, and I certainly could not ‘advise’ Harry, but I rode along….The book Vietnams Forgotten Army is a must read. Fred Drew, LTC (Retired).

                    • Earlier this year I stayed with Harry for several days in Falls Church. In fact just the other day we talked while I was waiting in line at Costco for gas. Harry is still a warrior, and a damned fine friend indeed. I am glad you are on this site adding to the “Legend of Harry.” Best of the holiday season to you.

            • Hey Dave, great to hear from you! I trust life has treated you well over these many years. I too haven’t heard anything from Bob Duda and I do recall his wedding at Holabird. Did you leave Hue before TET or were you there for the festivities? What have you been up to since the Army?
              I’m at email dohertyjohn@verizon.net . I don’t seem to recall Bob Williams but then again I have senior moments constantly. I had a TBI in Cho Lon and it has done some real damage to what’s left of my memory.

        • Hello Tom,
          My name is Gary Roberts. I arrived at MACV
          Compound in August, 1968 and I was in your hooch. I don’t know if you remember me or not. I also worked in G-2. I ended up extending twice and later went to the A-Shau Valley as a light weapons infantry advisor. Do you remember Homer Buck, Tom Kinoshita, Larry Anderson, Fred Thompson, Major Click?

          • Hi Gary,
            I remember your name but I can’t picture you. I’ll have to go through my old photos. I remember Homer Jean, Tom and Maj Click.
            I’ll have to think about Larry and Fred. After 50 years things can get foggy then all of a sudden it comes back to you.

            • Larry Anderson was the Company Clerk. Fred was the MARS operator. I have tried to locate Homer Buck without success. He was from Oklahoma. I started a Facebook group called Military Assistance Command Vietnam (MACV) Team 3. Check it out. Several photos have been posted. Other names you may remember are Captain White and Lieutenant Presley.

              • I just visited your facebook site and requested to join. I saw several pictures of you and I certainly DO remember you.
                It’s a great site with great pictures. There’s even a group picture with me in it!

              • steve malamud, i just tried to join the facebook group, i realized afterwards that ir is ny wifws facebook, but it was me requesting to join, don’t know how facebook works

              • This is Marty Albritton, former Spec 5 in the S2 shop. Have seen a lot of familiar names on this site. Also in our shop was Jeff Fiedler and the CO was Cpt. George. I would look through photo books from Vietnam whenever I saw one in a book store. The only person I ever saw in one of the books was Homer Buck. It was a photo of him escorting prisoners during the Tet Offensive. I remember that the prison caught fire early during the siege and Buck wanted to go rescue the prisoners. We were under fire at the time. I suggested he let them burn but he gathered a few guys and got them out.

                • This verifies the information I had been told about Homer. Reportedly, he received a Silver Star for getting people out of a burning building. I lived in the same hooch with Homer for a few months. He woke up every morning listening to the Glenn Campbell song “I Am A Lineman For The County”.

                • Good to hear from you after all these years Marty. I see you posted on Gary’s Facebook page too.
                  In case you’ve forgotten we served together in Hue. I was G-2 and then at Fort Bragg in the 14th or 15th MI (I think I was 15th MI)

          • I visited Gary Robert’s facebook site ‘Military Assistance Command Vietnam (MACV) Team 3’ and saw a picture of you. I remember you well now. It’s a group picture that we are in together along with Gary, Tom Konasheta (sp) and others. Great memories.

        • Wow, Tom, I don’t remember that….damn….I do remember not being able to go on R and R…My wife was there waiting…she was watching all the crap about Hue on tv , and freaked out…we eventually met I think in April…Frank and I were on the same team together in the field…if you have any photos of the compound or of you, then, could you send to my email: fdrew@bak.rr.com. Thanks Tom…Hope all is well, and Welcome Home to you, my brother.

          • Fred, I had not heard the R&R story before. I’m sure your wife was freaking out! That’s the second worst R&R story I ever heard. The worst was a guy on my R&R flight who was surprisingly met in Hawaii by his Mom instead of his wife. My wife sat beside the Mom and was told that the guy’s wife was filing for divorce and told the Mom the day before her flight. Glad yours turned out better!

            • Tom, it did that time….then Fort Ord for 10 months, then back VN, second tour, 25th ID, Mech Co Cdr….got a dear john from her after nine months in command….we got married after basic….go figure….so , went home on emerg leave, 2 weeks, came back, asst 3 in bn, went to cambodia, then rotated and bought a corvette…i thought i deserved the car….LOL

                • well, there were a couple more., then I finally got it right about 17 years ago….she is great…very happy…it took a while, but ended up good. Cheers, Fred. I am still scanning the MACV team 3 newsletters….will email when done….

          • All is well here Fred. I do have quite a few photos. I’ll scan some and send them to you. I’m computer challenged so it may take me awhile but I’ll send them.
            I also have movies I made on VHS. I’m going to have my son convert them to CDs. Some good stuff. The schoolhouse before it burned,
            shots of the area from atop the hotel, the landing ramp at the Perfume with jets dropping napalm on the north shore, some shots of the guys in the compound and a lot more. I haven’t viewed it in years so I hope the tape held up.
            A lot of the movies were taken very early in the offensive, day two or three probably.
            When I was on the hotel roof taking the panoramic shots there was a Marine sniper sitting against the wall. I think he was part of our security detachment. He asked me matter-of-factly if I could hear a zit-zit sound. I said yeah, what is that anyway. They’re shooting at you. GET DOWN. I nearly crapped myself. I crawled to the door and never went back to that rooftop.

  7. My name is Tom Odom, I was a LT/CPT with Team 3, Nam Hoa District from 1/68 until 11/68. I am trying to reconnect with any of the many folks who spent the ’68 Tet Offensive with me in and around Hue. I am planning a trip to Hue in Jan and Feb of 2018 with two of my sons. I would appreciate any comments or suggestions as I know many of you have made the trip.

      • High John I see you made contact with Captain Odom. We were together in Nam Hoa Village until the end of my tour in Nam.Glad your are doing OK. I will always appreciate your kind gesture in sending me the papers for my claim.Thank you.

    • Tom, as I said above, my wife and I traveled to VN in Jan/Feb 2008…one week in Hue to commemorate the 40 th anniversary. I was going to go this Jan, for the 50th, but the one guy I wanted to go with, Capt (Ret Col USMC) Jim Coolican, is not going, so I decided not to go…anyway, when we were in Hue, we stayed at the La Residence Hotel and Spa….been there for ever,,,the fresh used to stay there, and generals…anyway, they had completely redone it…lots of westerners stayed there…we were not on a tour group, by our selves…I took taxi to Quan Dien, PK 17, and so many other places that I had been with the Bn, before getting my ‘rear’ job in the compound….they have built. a huge new, maybe three star hotel, I think its called the Imperial Hotel…its right on Highway one, across the street from where the compound was, and some of the permanent buildings of the compound are still there…Maygbe you can stay there….Linda and I went there, to the bar, and then up to the top, and looked thru window at the old MACV compound…..we could not get in the compound. , its some kind of government rest home for north VN soldiers, I think….we did two days on rick shaws, going all over the city, south and north….imperial city, etc….still lots of damage to the outer and inner walls…from TET. food was good. the people and children love westerners, and especially Americans….at the end of one day, with my rick shaw bicycle driver, he and I spoke a little VN, and he had been a South Vn soldier…spent 12 years in reeducation camp…anyway, when we got back to the hotel, I gave him a ten dollar US, and he got on his knees, made the sign of praying and started crying…he had shown me his bullet wounds from the war….recommend you try to fly into PHu Bar from Saigon….we ended up in Da Nang at midnight, raining, etc and the airlines got us a taxi…trip from hell, with this VC driver….I thought I was going to die….anyway, there is a tunnel now from Da Nang, thru the mountain, to Phu Bai, four lane, lighted…it was nice…did not have to go over the Hai Van pass…..hope this helps….have a great trip….Fred Drew.

    • Tom: One item to add to your planning list to return to Vietnam. Get one or two hundred dollars in crisp new one dollar bills. Everywhere we went we were told “you give me dollar I be friend for life.” Actually it is easier to tip, buy post cards, and if you skip the tunnel, ladies will sell you home made bracelets when you pass over the Hai Vang Pass. If you will be spending much time in Hue City, Tran Ngoc (Harry) Hue still has a sister and some other family in and around Hue City. Might be tough to meet up with them. You can email me your email address (see below) and I will forward it on to Harry. Enjoy your trip.

      • Totally bummed out. I signed up for a Celebrity cruise out of Singapore that was scheduled to stop near Hue in early Feb. They dropped the stop for another glorious sea day. The only Vietnam stop is now Saigon. I had planned to go to Hue and Ashau, where I targeted beaucoup arclight strikes.

        • i went back by myself in 2006 and rented a car and driver to go to the ashau. at that time, i had to have a gov’t “minder” as the area was still “sensitive”. ho chi minh trail through the ashau is now 4 lanes a lot of the way. i was able to get off the beaten track a little, but the minder wouldn’t approve heading off into the bush where i wanted to go. next time i’ll just rent the car and go by myself.

        • Good Morning Steve. Your message complete has been forwarded to Harry. Harry’s story is told in Andrew Wiest’s book “Vietnam’s Forgotten Army: Heroism and Betrayal in the ARVN.” It is available through Amazon. I served with Harry along the DMZ with the ARVN 11th Cavalry until we were wounded together. The Vietnam Veterans of America (VVA) monthly publication “The Veteran” has a June 1996 cover story I wrote entitled “This Man Lives the American Dream Every Day.” You may be able to find it on line. If not email me directly: neddevereaux@comcast.net and we can coordinate getting you a photo copy.

  8. My cousin was Lt Wesley Woodford from ohio. I believe he was only in Hue about a month before his death.
    If anyone remembers him please let me know any memory you may have. Thanks

    • I was in tm 3 in 70-71 with a cpt Herbert cline who passed on this mar 2017. He would never talk to anyone even me. I was the recon nco for the first ARVN Div. then an E-8 slot but I was a buck sgt. I used to get my Code and orders given to me by a E-8 (sgt Z) can’t recall his real name. In the bottom of the citadel . I had a bunk behind the tennis court/open bar. I was in and out as could be. Across from me was a staff sgt name of bagget or basset, I went out with him once in awhile as an extra on ccn. Cpt Cline was on his 5th tour and did not carry a gun at all , said i was to keep him alive, he was a bit wacko, a little on the bulky side, if anyone recalls him. We had a new first sgt from Germany come in about the time i was there. All i have for pics are the nice girls in blue and white that served at the nco club. I had my own APO box but can’t recall the #, wish i could. Had an attached cpt from 101 st that was a prick and got held there because he had the clap, can’t recall name. Wish i could recall more but a lot has been forgotten. A lot of fine people .

    • Dennis. I did not actually know your cousin but I owe my life to him. I had the honor of visiting his grave site in Ohio this past summer. If you wish to visit with me I would be happy to talk with you. CWO3. Larry Tessmer Ret
      701-471-8721

    • I am not sure you got my first reply so I will leave an additional. Message. I was with your cousin the night of his death and will share info with you that you may or may not know. Phone number. 701-471-8721.

  9. The AATTV has a facebook page. They really look after eachother. There is also a website for the Australian Army Training Teams. These guys are great . I am sure if you reach out to them, and or I can put you in touch with some if them .

    • Hi Pat…first visit to this site…was attached to TM3 in last half of 68…radio operator at 1ARVN HQ…Saw posts from Steve Malamud and tried to send msg to him…HELP..Thanks…my email is grubbsw@earthlink.net

        • I sent email to
          Steve Malamud…thanks…also have communicated with Travis Kirkland, a frat bro from the past…this is a great site!

      • I was also at 1st ARVN HQ’s the last half of 68. I worked in G-2 with Cpt. Weisburg, Cpt White, Lt. Presley, Major Click, Sp. 5 Larry Craven. Do you remember any of these people?

    • Thank you Pat, I’ve been in contact with a few of the die hard veterans of the AATTV, but trying to track down any US veterans including Sergeant Alberto Alvarado who served with him on Team 3.. many thanks .

  10. I just read the book “Hue 1968”. It was a good read but I was disappointed that only a few pages mentioned Team 3. It was mainly about the Marines and their almost month long battle against the NVA. Originally, I was assigned to Team 3 but when I got to MACV-Danang in December 1967, I was instead assigned to Team 1, Hoi An.
    For any member of Team 3 during Tet 68, was the team evacuated to Danang or some where else?

      • Thanks John and Charles. I was at Hoi An while the attacks were going on and we heard reports that MACV 3 had been evacuated. I thought the same thing would happen to us but we could not get any support from Danang and were just told “to hold on as long as we can.” Later, the ROKs (South Korean Marines) came in and pushed back the enemy attacks.

        • the 1/3/1 out of PK-17 fought hard around the Citadel as did the Hoc Bao and the Recon Company—

        • During my time at House 8 during Tet, we were joined by about 5 Chinese Nungs, a Vietnamese hill people used as mercenaries by the Special Forces and the CIA. Does anyone know what their role was before Tet? I never found out who they worked for. All were over 6 ft and fearless. They used .45 cal silenced grease guns until they ran out of ammunition.

          • They are actually not Chinese but an ethnic minority from the South of China. On my first tour we hired them as security guards for our off base intelligence compounds in Nha Trang because a) they were fiercely loyal, and b) they did NOT like the Vietnamese and wouldn’t let any locals anywhere near us. They always carried shotguns in Nha Trang. They were very friendly to us and exceptional guards. They were unusually tall
            for Asians.

          • The CIA compound in Hue, an old French Villa where the resident agent lived, was guarded by Chinese mercenaries. That compound was hit and overrun during the initial attack. That may be where those guys came from.

          • When I arrived at Hue City (mid ’68) the Nungs were being used, among other things (I assume), as security for the CORDS Team House about four blocks away. This is the facility from which the Phxxxxx program was coordinated. One of the unusual stories of that Team House was the LT(?) who was the administrator for that group had previously been assigned there as a civilian, FSO 6. Sometime around late 1965 he was drafted, returned to the states, underwent BCT/AIT and OCS, was commissioned and came right back to the desk he sat at as a civilian employee.

        • Al, just a quick follow up to John and Charles…..We, (Team 3) could not have gone anywhere anyway…we were surrounded….ugh.

    • no, it stayed right where it had been, got shot up a little though—

    • Team 3 was not evacuated from Hue during the Tet Offensive. Following the initial assault team members assumed defensive positions in the compound. After the second day ammunition was getting low. We were preparing for another assault and had learned that Vietnamese civilians might be marched in front of the advancing NVA/VC units. Everyone was informed how to shout out for them to get down and at what point we would open fire. That night the Marine detachment from Phu Bai fought their way into the MACV compound to reinforce Team 3. I was on guard duty in the compound at the corner of Highway 1 when we heard all hell break loose. We had not been advised that U.S. Marines were attempting to reach us. I saw the first Marine crawl around debris and alerted everyone to hold fire, that they were U.S. troops. One day a group of volunteers were detached to try and reach the radio compound in the soccer stadium but they were not successful. I believe a Marine gunny assigned to Team 3 was KIA in that operation. Another group tried to get to the river to bring water to the compound but they were also unsuccessful. I worked in the Sector S2 shop and on the morning after the assault I left the compound with another NCO to destroy the classified material in the office according to SOP. When we reached the Sector HQ gate the ARVN almost opened fire on us. We built outside latrines and everyone volunteered where needed. I eventually volunteered to be a radio operator because all the regular operators had been wounded. I provided coordinates for free fire zones to bombers returning from missions to dispatch their unused ordinance. Much of the offensive strategy was initially coordinated from inside the MACV compound. The compound’s tennis court was converted to a make shift mortuary to store the growing number of body bags. There was no hot food nor showers during the month long siege. But on the first day after the initial assault an American flag was hoisted over the compound and flew there until all of the enemy were routed from the city.

      • The Gunnery Sergeant (he was then a SSGT) who was killed was George Kendall, a USMC I&I linguist working with me (G-2 Air Advisor). We
        were on a patrol with his CO, CAPT JJ IRONS and the rest if the I& I team near the soccer stadium when we were ambushed and George was
        hit by a burst of RPD fire. I and another USMC EM were WIA and half the I& I team briefly trapped on the West side of the stadium- we were on the East. I made it back to the MACV Compound and an ad hoc rescue team of Marines and an Army Duster was formed. We got Kendall’s body back and recovered the wounded Marine but I got hit again. We had done a number of such patrols and had gotten good intel and had
        recovered a lot of weapons from an ARVN weapons room which had been abandoned but our luck finally ran out. While I was
        being treated by an Army medic for a leg wound Col. Adkisson threatened to “court martial me for unauthorized participation in combat.”
        I believe this was on February 4th. Kendall was posthumously promoted to Gunnery Sgt.

        I was also on the unsuccessful rescue mission you mentioned.

        • This should put the rumor that Team 3 was evacuated to rest. Someone should write a book about Team 3 during Tet. At least do oral histories of those of us still around.

      • Just seeing this post for the first time Marty. I was on the patrol you mentioned where USMC SSGT George Kendall (posthumously promoted to GY SGT) was KIA just outside the stadium. The patrol was Marines from the 1st MAR DIV I& I Detachment joined by me for local knowledge. We had done a number of previous patrols within 5-10 blocks of the Compound with only minor firefights but this one went wrong quickly. Kendall died instantly from a burst of RPD fire, a USMC PFC named Billups I believe took an AK in the ankle and I got hit with shrapnel from an RPG. The rest of the patrol was on the other side of the stadium and my memory is that they were untouched. I made it back to the Compound for help and a relief force was dispatched to recover Kendall’s body and free Billups who was trapped in a drainage ditch by snipers. During the
        rescue/recovery I got hit again, this time from shrapnel from an M-79 wielded by a USMC Lance Corporal who accidentally discharged the weapon and sprayed me with metal. On our return to the Compound an overwrought Col Adkisson threatened to court martial me for “unauthorized participation in combat.” Sadly the tragedy didn’t end
        there, as Billups was killed as a victim during a carjacking in Washington, DC and the patrol leader, Capt JJ Irons, USMC, committed suicide
        in later life. I still have a piece of the RPG in my tibia.

    • To Al Navarro. This is Fred Drew. I was. 1LT in the compound on jan 31, 68….all three books: Battle for Hue; Fire in the Streets and the latest, Hue, 1968….are all the same….first few chapters about the first week or so, some MACV stuff, and then all about the Marines. Very little about Hac Bao also….I have been disappointed also…yes, the Marines took a lot of casualties…but if it weren’t for the MACV Compound being there, and for us defenders not allowing ourselves to be overrun, the Marines would have had no where to go, except back to Phu Bai. That first Convoy that came rumbling into Hue, had not clue…we had to go out, and down the road and collect bodies, and get the officers to know where the compound was, etc. It was a mess…..There was also a book about the TET Offensive…I can’t find it right now, but the by line, is that: We win this time, or words to that effect….anyway, it delves into more of the advisors, and the South VN Army and the successes of the American units….Anyway, just some thoughts. Fred Drew.

      • Fred, my name is Bill Bradley. I came in country in time for the Tet Counter Offensive. I was originally assigned to Team 1 in Dong Ha. I was sent down to Team 3 after a but of severe dysentery. Captain Gary Webb (later major) was the detachment CO. I was his assistant. I saw a reference to Travis Kirkland. Travis and I were fraternity brothers in college. I just came across this site. So many old memories.

        • Bill, I know Gary Webb, well. He is from Bakersfield. He is ten years older than me, but he now lives in Arizona, and was inducted into his High School HOF about a year ago here in Bakersfield, and he invited me and my wife….we had dinner the night before, etc….he was a stud football player on a state champ team…he retired as a col. i am traveling right now, but i will get you his email address soon…and also tell him that you are on this web site…which, i also just found it about a week ago…pretty awesome…Fred Drew

          • Fred/Bill, my name is Angelo Romeo. I arrived at the MACV Compound in June and took Bill’s place as Major Webb’s deputy. Shared a room with Travis and Frank White. Good soldiers, good people, great friends. Had dinner in NJ with Frank and Elsie last month-spent a couple days with Travis and Linda in New Mexico last Spring.

        • Hey Bill, 1 Lt Fran Delaney here. I arrived Dong Ha in June of ’68, was first assigned to Alpha One outpost. CO at that time was Lt Col Parsons, based in a house in Dong Ha. My 2nd assignment was Charlie Two (or Three?) outpost halfway between Dong Ha and DMZ, final assignment Hoc Bao with counterpart Harry Hue. On my first venture into the DMZ, we came under artillery attack, got a piece of shrapnel through my canteen, scared me shitless. I don’t recall the names of most of my fellow advisors, was wondering if you worked with me. Email: fmiked@msn.com.

          • Fran, I remember you telling this story at Pk-17, I thought it was both funny and sobering at the same time—-that was close, the Good Lord was looking after you that day for sure—I have a couple of photos of you if you would like me to send them to you -cthurmond1@windstream.net

    • You are correct, pretty good read but many things left unmentioned and too much from/about reporters/correspondents who sometimes twisted stories to the detriment of the U.S. Military and all we tried to do as 20 yr old patriots…

  11. I am inquiring about my brother, Captain Kenneth H. Rud. He was an advisor with MACV in Thua Thien Hue in 1967. I was 18 when he was killed on February 6, 1967. He left a wife (now deceased) and 4 children. My remaining brother and myself would like to hear from anyone who remembers serving with him. He was on his second tour in Vietnam and was coming home in March 1967 for my wedding. Our parents are both gone now, but they never fully recovered from his loss. We would like to re-create a shadow box for him as our remembrance to a big brother we never ever forgot. We often wonder “What if…”. Thank you for your time.

    • Linda, I do not know if my first message went through. I have a photo with someone with my father with the uniform tag name Rud / Rudde its hard to read. My father says the dates may not be right but I can send you the photo and you can tell me.
      Patweyand@wi.rr.com

    • Linda, I have some information about the battle where your brother was KIA. Please contact me at hgreza@macvtm3.com if you want me to send you a narrative about the events of Feb. 6, 1967.

      H.G. Reza
      RTO Phong Dien
      1967-1968

      • Please send everything you have to my email address. Thank you so much for your response, I miss my big Brother everyday. I often wonder what would be…..if he came home in March 1967. Thank you again for sharing with me.

        • I came to Team 3 after this event, but I just want to say that if you can get information that will help provide you a step toward some measure of closure then this web site will have served a wonderful service. Thanks to all who have responded to Ms Newman’s requests. You are a great bunch of veterans.

  12. Greetings once again fellow CoVan Mi’s. As I have detailed previously I served on Adv Tm 3 and 18 during Jul 68 through Mar 69 when I moved to USARV Adviser School at Di An to train incoming MAT Teams. One thing I have not mentioned and is distantly related to Teams 3/18 is that I was the Student Company Commander of Student Company B, USASWS at Ft Bragg from August 1967 through June 1968. It was an Administrative Company, (Pay, morning reports, orders, billeting, admin issues, etc) We were at the end of the small one story building behind the SWS headquarters across from JFK Center. That building is now the Special Warfare Museum.
    Although i put almost 6,000 students through the MATA and PsyOps Schools, have not heard much from any of them. If you are out there would enjoy a reply and maybe a memory or two about your time at the School. Does anyone remember Co Pussycat (that’s what everyone called her), one of the Vietnamese Language Instructors for the MATA Department? I think everyone of you were in love with her. My counterpart as Commander of Student Company A was 1Lt Lenny Karp. My XO was 2LT Jim Caylor from Atlanta, Georgia and my 1Sgt was 1Sgt J.D. Batten who had three brothers, all Sergeants Major and my clerk was Sp4 York, a cousin of Alvin York.

    • I went through the MATA course in June-July 1968 with my good friend CPT Jerry Walker. We had served together in Germany with the 24th ID (1/19 IN). I do remember Co pussycat. I want to say the her name was Co Hue. The memory that stands out most vividly was a grizzled old (to me) Major who referred (0nly half jokingly) to us two year Captains as maltreatment of the troops. He was pretty much right and I was always eternally grateful to my Aussie WO on my Bn advisory team. He took me in under his mentoring wing. Sid Colley had served on New Guinea in WW2, fought in Korea and Malaysia and was into his third year in Vietnam when I met him. A true warrior!

    • To Ron Bower. I attended the MATA Course after OCS at Benning, then two cycles as a TAC, then to Bragg for MATA approximately, Jan to April 67; then to Fort Bliss for more VN language for about two months, then to Team 3, after two days In Saigon. Got to Hue about June 67, jeep to PK 17, over night, then to Quang Dien, 2 Bn, 3 Regt, 1st Div. Had a great Mentor, USMC Capt Jim Coolican, and our RTO was Frank Doezema, who later KIA on Jan 31, and they named the compound after Frank….I remember that the MATA Course was pretty tough, and all the instructors were professional…etc. What I hated was that MATA Mile…not so much the distance etc, but it was the sand along the two miles and running in combat boots….hard on the Achilles….anyway, fond memories of a short time at Bragg. I did 20 years, retired 1984 LTC….Life is good. I went back to Hue in 2008 for the 40th anniversary. It was a good week. Fred Drew.

      • Fred, do you happen to remember Richard Weyand USMC SGT advisor to Team 3 And later to Hoc Bao. He is good friends with Jim and Uncle Harry Hue. He served with Phil Kane, Mike Deleany , Jim, Joe Boldt ? I want to say he was there sometime in 67-69

      • Fred: Shame on you. The MATA Mile was my favorite! I used to run it twice a day. Had a rucksack which I loaded with a new rock every day (we kept a rock pile at the start just for that purpose, small rocks.). By the time I finished I had 40 pounds of rock and only 167 pounds of me. There were actually two MATA Miles, one for summer 2 3/4 miles, the other for winter, 2 1/4 miles. That was because of darkness. My favorite part was jumping the ditch that was about 1 3/4 miles in. Had a Navy Reserve LCDR Marackis who was a former NBC Exec and was going to Saigon to help RVN with their TV Station. He worked the Johnny Carson Show before he was called to AD. He ran the mile one afternoon, got lost and came out in the Cottonade Housing area. We looked for him from 5:30 to 7:00 PM and could not find him. Turns out he called a taxi , went back to Holmes Hall, showered, and went to dinner at the messhall. Just as I returned from the hunt, I saw him coming out of the Mess, smiling, clean and well fed.

        • Wow Ron, You have a great memory…and good stories. I have a nephew, just make BG…a real Warrior…Aviator….160th, Delta, etc….he loves my BS stories….the good ol days !!!!

  13. hello ron,

    i went back to vietnam in 2006 specifically to visit a former patrol area in the southern ashau where we had 4 kia, bnr until late ’90s. (partyline-one, 3rd recon, opn. cloud, 3 aug 67). at the time i had to have a “minder” with me, but knowing what i know now, i would just hire a car and driver (in hue) and go. roads are good, major highway now runs through the valley. hard to recognize now. built up. i have some photos if you are interested….email me (bill.mcbride@gmail.com)

    bill

  14. On Monday, 6 February I will spend a portion of my day in prayer and reflection at our local Vietnam Veterans Memorial in Jacksonville, NC. The reason is that this will be the 48th anniversary of the crash of a UH1H Huey helicopter belonging to the 282d Avn Bn “Blackcats.” All eight passengers (6 US and 2 RVN) died in the crash, 5 US were friends of mine. I was scheduled to be on that flight and because of bad weather in Hue prior to it leaving, I was diverted to Phu Bai and missed the flight by 15 minutes. Those on board will remain in my heart and mind until the day I die.

    • Next year is the 50th anniversary of the Tet Offensive. I’m scheduled to take a Celebrity cruise that stops for a day in the Chan May port (between Danang and Hue) on 14 February. I’m currently planning to get a car and driver to take my wife and me around Hue for the day, and possibly go to Ashau Valley, which was the focus of many Trail FAC missions during 1967/68.

      I would much appreciate any recommendations from my comrades on this website regarding reliable tour guides, etc.

      • Hey Denny,

        Was that the Black Cat that Lt Col Donald Parsons was on? Timing is about right. He was my CO, based in a house in Dong Ha. I was senior advisor to the MACV team at Charlie-2 at the time. Charlie-2 was about halfway between Dong Ha and the DMZ.

        Parson’s remains, 2 teeth, were found in 1996, IDed several years later and now reside in Arlington Nat’l Cemetery.

        Then Lt Francis Delaney.

        ________________________________

      • I going back this Thursday with a group of nine Purple Heart vets sponsored by the VFW National HQ. We are
        definitely going to Hue and hopefully the A Shau. I’ll give you a shout when I return in early May.

      • Just back from Vietnam. All traces of the MACV Compound are GONE. The site was leveled and is currently a building
        site for a high rise hotel. Route One from Phu Bai to Hue is almost wall to wall with small and dilapidated shops/food stores etc. Camp Evans is unrecognizable – tree farms (mostly acacias) and plantations. All area LZs are overgrown or
        otherwise unrecognizable. Imperial Palace and Forbidden City are intact. Population of Hue is way over 300,000 and still
        growing. High rises all over Hue- some hotels, mostly commercial structures. Heavy foreign investment- Korea, Taiwan,
        Malaysia, even China. BEER 33 is now BEER 333. Huda is local Hue beer- pretty good. Dong is now 23,000 per dollar
        and a beer costs about one dollar in most places.

        Saigon and Da Nang are amazingly modern cities. China Beach is wall to wall resorts (Hyatt, Marriott, Sheraton etc.) with
        dozens more under construction. They have cleaned up the beach and it is stunningly beautiful. Khe Sanh still recognizable despite heavy logging and reforestation with eucalyptus, acacia etc. Khe Sanh Combat Base is down to the runaway only and the rest is coffee plantations. Khe Sanh town is tacky and touristy. Route Nine is somewhat improved
        but still winding, narrow and wild in places. Still a lot of Bru tribespeople in the area. Lang Co much developed but still
        gorgeous. Two new Catholic churches there. Quang Tri not too different except that the Citadel is now an NVA/VC memorial. Dong Ha has a cemetery with all the Ho Chi Minh NVA casualties – OVER 40,000! We hurt them even worse
        than we suspected.Cu Chi tunnels worth visit despite blatant propaganda. There is US made equipment in many Museums- the vast majority of it ARVN or VNAF. They somehow got a C-130 to Khe Sanh despite the now very short
        runway.

        No problem with the people, they seem to like Americans and were generally very welcoming. Still some Russians there,
        mostly around Vung Tau but they are NOT popular with the locals- “beaucoup cheap.”

        • Thank you for this report—I would like to hear more about Hue and Hwy 1 north–PK-17?, Camp Evans?

          • PK 17 just a spot in the road- didn’t see marker. Camp Evans is all either overgrown or planted with single species trees.
            Some tarmac still visible but generally just foliage off a poor road. Route One North from Hue is heavily populated most
            of the way and is lined with shacks and tacky restaurants. Opens up a little South of Quang Tri. Dong Ha resembles what
            we saw only much more people and buildings. Quang Dien and Phong Dien Sectors a lot bigger now. Route One is way
            better than what we experienced but still not up to Western Standards. Economy of Hue area is strong, unemployment
            around 2 % with most people involved in government sponsored jobs or “make work” programs. Northerners still run
            things in area- almost all mayors and police chiefs are Northerners, they still don’t trust the old Viet Cong. The number of high rise buildings in Hue is staggering.

            Every major village along Route One North of Hue has a cemetery dedicated to residents killed fighting for the Viet Cong-
            thousands upon thousands of graves and those cemeteries are limited to actual KIAs. NO ARVN cemeteries except at Bien Hoa and that has been heavily vandalized and desecrated.

            • Thank you John, I had several friends in the Hue area, either they got out or were killed as best I could find out. Too many would not have had the chance to flee. I tried to go to Hue in 1994 but wasn’t able to because the road was so bad that it was a 5 day trip one way and the air service was terrible and very dangerous.

            • I was told in 1994 that the North had killed most of the VC after the war. They didn’t trust them and the VC had the stupid idea that because they fought for the North that they would get to share in the spoils and political power.

        • Thanks for the update on Hue and surrounding areas. I was assigned to Team 3 in 1967-68 and was there for the Tet Offensive. I drove to Phu Bai often and the route was all jungle then. I’m not surprised to hear about China Beach. When I returned and was asked about Vietnam one of my comments was always that the country is beautiful and the beaches are prettier than Hawaii. Glad to hear the the country’s resources are being appreciated.

          • Couldn’t agree more about the beaches- just spectacular! Warm water and good surf, all the amenities- what’s not to like.

          • Marty: I am a retired US Marine who served with Marine Corps Counterintelligence at Hue/Phu Bai during Tet 68. There was an US Army unit located in Phu Thu district along a river that separated Houng Thuy District from Phu Thu District. Would you happen to know the name of that unit? It was a key Army unit that was hit just prior to Tet. Thanks, Bob Glasgow, MSgt, USMC (Ret)

            • Hi Bob, As far as I recall there were no army units operating in the vicinity of Hue before the Tet offensive other than occasional special forces operations. A number of army MACV advisors were attached to various ARVN units as well as other South Vietnamese operational units. Perhaps it is one of those you recall. Sorry I can’t be of more help. Marty Albritton

              • Marty: I was the District Senior Adviser at Phu Thu District from July 1968 through February 1969. There was no US Army unit on the river during my time. The 1-501 (101st Abn) was located in the northern area of Phu Thu at FB Star and they would occasionally run patrols along the river. That may account for the idea of an American unit in that area.
                There was a SF Compound over on the Hue-Phu Bai Road (Hwy 1). Except for my 6 man Team at District Hqtrs (on east side of the river) the only other US was a four man MAT Team under a Lt Perez (from Texas) that joined us in October 1968 and was located in the southern area of the District at Vinh Ha Village. I remember well driving through that road from US 1, with thick vegetation on both sides. You had to dismount our J4B jeep vehicle on the western shore and take a boat rowed by a Vietnamese to get to the District Hqtrs. The jeep was stripped of all the equipment (shovel, axe, radio equipment, gas can, etc) every time we went over and it stayed overnight at the boat landing. Every time we went back to go somewhere we had to inspect it carefully for booby traps. There was one incident after I left of an American jeep with four occupants driving down that road and they hit a booby trap on a small bridged area just south of the boat landing and there were KIA and WIA involved. This was the impetus for getting a land route to Phu Thu District which unfortunately did not come about until after I left. My team was a SFC Bagby, SFC Williams, Spec 4 DiPietro. I also had a Medic (91C – AKA “Almost a Doctor”) whose name I cannot recall, a great Medic, and a 2LT Intel Officer who arrived just before I left in February to take over the PolWar Advisor job at Province in Hue. You guys are really testing my memory cells!

        • Kind of sad to hear that the MACV compound is gone. As the SR Advisor to 3/54 in 68 and 69, my team, and I enjoyed the benes of coming in from the field and getting cleaned up, hot chow, cold beer and good booze and in my case, having Garfield the goose bite my butt leaving the mess hall one time. I am the last of my team, Quentin Von Tarafdar passed away this past Jan and Sid Colley, my Australian friend and mentor passed a number of years ago. makes one quite reflective from time to time.

          • I saw photos of the MACV compound a few years ago. At that time it had been converted to a national police facility. The hooches were gone but the main buildings looked the same, just cleaned up.

          • Yeah it is sad to realize that something so important to us in our young lives and something that riveted the world’s attention in February 1968 is gone. But that’s progress and history I guess. The old Police Station is now a Fire Station
            with modern firefighting equipment. Rush hour traffic in Hue is incomprehensibly chaotic- thousands of scooters and
            bikes playing chicken at intersections with little or no signage/traffic controls (except at really major points) and scant police presence. Some Western cars with for some reason a lot of tricked out Ford Rangers.

            Food in Vietnam still tough for foreigners. Little meat except pork and duck and a lot of that looks just disgusting. Steak is
            very rare except in top hotels. Lots of veggies loaded with cilantro and turmeric. Bread is however excellent- a legacy from the French. Meals tend to be repetitive with little variety- spring rolls, salads, sticky rice, fried rice, bits or pork and/or
            duck. There are a few Burger Kings, McDonalds, KFC and even a couple of Popeyes. Mixed drinks expensive- Bacardi
            and Coke $9-12 in the few places you can get it. Single malt whiskey VERY expensive. Wine varies from Godawful to
            pretty good- mostly French. Still risky to drink anything with local ice in it except for top hotels and best restaurants.

            • I’m just curious. Did you by chance go near Hill 180 ? Do you know if Camp Eagle is still around? It was not called Camp Eagle in 1968 as the 1st CAV DIV built it for their base camp, about mid 1969 the 101st AB DIV joined in and it became Camp Eagle. They turned it over to the 1st ARVN DIV in March 1972 with the Team 3 still advisors. I stayed on MACV Doezema Compound for 4 months prior to moving to Camp Eagle in March 72, and stayed until Nov 72. Just wondering if you knew about Camp Eagle about 5-6 miles from Hue it was a very large base.

              • The short answer is no- we didn’t. Our Vietnamese guide said that Eagle, Sally, Bastogne, etc were “gone.” All scrub
                brush and plantations of coffee, tea, rubber and pepper. We didn’t stray far from Route One except to visit Sally and Camp Evans. Sally is a massive cement plant and Evans is a combination of scrub jungle and plantations. A little tarmac\
                visible at Evans and a berm but otherwise- nothing.

                • Thanks for the update. After reading your report on Camp Evans, MACV Compound & Hue in general I kind of figured would not be a Camp Eagle. I think they do not want us to have any connections with previous military bases, as they most likely are trying to move forward, again thanks for the info …Also Doug Wilson you are correct, early it was LZ Tombstone and R407 I believe.

                • It was called Camp Eagle in ‘68. I had a couple of friends there and as a 1st Lt I got to visit the base (I was at PK-17) for supplies from time to time and that’s what they called it.

        • I am saddened that my little room at the MACV compound is rated… But I always knew that China beach was a place for a Marriott Hotel…
          CPT GV Donatello Team 3

        • Hi John…Fred Drew here…just found this site. I notice the date of your information above….interesting….I went in 2008 for the 40th..one week Hue, one week in Saigon…in 2008, part of the compound was still there, across from the Imperial Hotel, which as I recall is about 12 stories…I stayed at the La Residence Hotel and Spa, two story, re done…on the river, West of the Bridge…anyway, not surprised they are building more hotels…I have a couple pics of the compound..the one two or three story building, where the NCOs stayed, and the mess hall was, was still there in 2008…anyway, my wife and I did Vung Tau…and you are right…the Russians…still there because of the oil research, and drilling, etc…we went to a bar in Vung Tau, owned by an Aussie, married to a VN gal, and I had been an exchange officer at the Australian Infantry Centre, 77-79, and took a photo of the officers Mess members , and posted it on the bulletin board at the Bar….never heard anything…did you drive thru the tunnel goes thru marble mountain? I was taken aback by the four lane Highway one, with streett lights, etc, both south and north of Hue. Cheers, Fred Drew

  15. In response to Bill Browns post on Australian Woody.

    I checked with some friends involved with the AATTV. They still have him listed as being Alive on their roster which is not what is in the book referenced. I can put you in contact with my friend Rick Ryan AATTV if you want more info. It appears that Woody’s telephone number is unlisted. So please dont get your hopes up but the info they have is that they believe him to be alive in Australia. Patweyand@wi.rr.com

    • EXCELLENT! Didn’t know him all that well but he had a reputation as a great soldier and I know the Vietnamese liked him.

    • I recently established contact with one of my Team 3 RTOs, Nelson Rodriguez, after almost 50 years. He tells me that
      after I got medevaced during TET the Army gave Team 3 the Presidential Unit Citation and another unit award. These never caught up with me. Anyone have copies of the awards or can direct me to where i could find them?

      • John, My name is Tom Odom and I was a LT/Cpt with Team 3 from 1/68 to 11/68. Our RTO at Nam Hoa District, SW of Hue, was Sp4 Rodriguez. I do not recall his 1st name as we all called him “Hai Shi Rod”. Could this be Nelson Rodriguez? Do you have his contact info? My email is tomodom@odomstanley.com.

      • John, yes, PUC and also, from the VN government, a cross of gallantry, with palm, unit award….I think I can help. with the award citation….give me some time….I need to dig….but I think I will find the orders….you can also contact the US Army Awards Section…not sure of official name, but wind your way thru internet, I recently had to do that for one of my KIAs on my second tour, had a mech co, and he was awarded the MOH posthumously…had to get permission for his family to gift the MOH to the Bn we were in, anyway…I think the offices were in VA, and staffed with civilians….BUT, I will look, and let you know….I can be reached at: fdrew@bak.rr.com….please send me an email, then I can send direct to you with a scan, when I find the orders. Cheers, Fred.

  16. Bill Williams, not sure if my last message posted. Merv was a good friend to my father. Dad was there when Merv came in, if I remember right he came in right to the field dad met him when he got off the chopper.

    We are still in contact with his family, and the AATTV.

    Dad is in good health. If you have questions I can ask him.

    People keep asking about a Kiwi but no one seems to know of who it would have been. Anyway if you are on facebook check out the Team 3 page there are a few photos of Merv there.

    Patweyand@wi.rr.com

    • Does anyone know what became of Aussie WO Woodforde (I hope that’s his right name) whose place I took with the
      TRINH SAT (RECON CO) when he was wounded in late 1967? I know that by TET WO Egan was the Advisor but I
      never heard what happened to Woody.

      • Arthur Joseph WOODFORD is listed in The Men Who Persevered (a comprehensive book on the Australian Army Training Team Vietnam [AATTV]). This book was published in 2005 and lists WO Woodford as being deceased, date unknown. Not much help I know but at least you can ‘close the book’ on your search.

        • That’s sad news for sure. Like a lot of the Aussies he was a little rough around the edges but a great soldier and a lot of fun after you got to know him. He was well into his 40s in Vietnam so I am not totally surprised he’s gone. Hope he had a
          suitable military funeral. Thanks for the info and I’ll try to pick up a copy of the book.

      • John, its me again. I remember WO Egan very well, especially in the compound officers club….there is an Aussie, Bruce Davies, He retired I think as a LTC….I got to know him when I was on exchange at the Australian Infantry Centre in 77-79…. who wrote a book about the AATTV, and his email is: pleiku68@gmail.com (or at least that was his email in 2010)…He knows where all the AATTV guys are…Hope this helps, Fred Drew.

  17. Picked it up today. Safe in hand. Dad said it had to have been from early 67 as it had his earlier assignment which had been changed. He did recognize a few names. But it was missing some so it is probably from the time frame earlier 67. He also said he was in a field team so most of his friends and contacts were with his field unit. I will scan it into a PDF and can send it via email box drop. Will just need e-mail addresses . Patweyand@wi.rr.com

    • I got it when I reported to Team # 3 which I believe was in August of 1967. I have no idea why I held onto it for all these years but now I’m glad I did. I’m at dohertyjohn@verizon.net . I hope others can use it. Please make sure that Roberts gets
      it.

  18. Pat:” I sent the material before you posted your home address. All I had was your business address at the Y. The USPS
    confirmed that it was delivered and signed for at the Y by a J. Scholey or some such name.

  19. I was on the next flight with the same pilot. He calmly told his co-pilot that he hoped he didn’t have the something as his last flight. Then explained for all to hear what had happened. I was on my way to Hue for the first time. Didn’t make me very comfortable.

    • Those Otters must have been magnets. Major (then CPT, USMC) Harvey Zimmerle and I flew into the citadel, the first week in September 1968. When we were on the ground and exited the aircraft, Harvey had a bullet hole through his brief case. He went to 2/3 and I went to 3/54 as senior advisors.

  20. Anyone out there remember the Army Otter aircraft that was shot down about 13 July 1968, en-route to Hue City? A friend of mine was on that aircraft, Captain Steve Materi. Have been trying to contact him but no luck as of yet. I believe he was last located in Georgia or Florida. One of the bullets that came through the floor of the aircraft was heading straight for him when it hit a tin AVIS “We Try Harder” button and deflected it to his portable radio in his duffel bag. I have a picture of that button which I sent to AVIS’ corporate headquarters (my father-in-law was a manager of AVIS at the Fayetteville, NC airport. Just one of the little stories that make up history.

    • Pat:
      I express mailed the roster to your business address- someone named Scholey signed for it. Hope you can disseminate it
      to the group in a better format.

  21. Sorry, we never really got personal. Do remember that he walked around with a riding crop and that he was a great boss. He always cared about the welfare of his men.

    • Guys:

      I have a printed official roster of Team # 3, 37th Signal Battalion, 7th USAF Detachment and USMC Guard detachment at Hue. It dates from sometime in the middle of 1967. It’s a so-so mimeograph copy but generally legible with DEROS, SN, rank, date of rank and duty station. It also has some Team # 4 info. It’s 22 pages long and if someone can reproduce in a more user friendly format I’ll be glad to make it available.

  22. Sorry to hear of Mr. Eagan’s passing, he was a top notch soldier. Like most of the Aussies in Northern I Corps he had been an NCO in the Royal Australian Army and got his Warrant upon volunteering for Vietnam. He and several other WOs
    from Australia convinced me to take my R&R in Sydney which had just opened up as an R&R center. They set me up with
    their friends in Sydney and I had a grand old time there. In return I had to buy them all new sets of darts- their favorite
    pastime (after drinking beer that is.) I learned a valuable life lesson from the Aussies, never EVER get into a drinking
    contest with an Australian soldier!

    • Had to chuckle about Aussies and beer. I was the Sr advisor to the 3/54th reg’t and later staff advisor for the 54th from September 1968 to September 69. My WO Aussie was Sid Colley. He had been in the Australian army since 1939 starting out as a guerilla on New Guinea. He was my mentor about most everything; certainly, the jungle and the oriental mindset…. a fine man and a WARRIOR! Off the clock, beer darts and cribbage were his thing and yes, you did not ever want to think that you could out drink an Aussie.

    • John, I agree about the drinking…I spend two years at the Australian Infantry Centre, 77-79, on exchange from the Inf Center at Benning..teaching tactics…etc…..YOU SIMPLY CANNOT OUT DRINK THEM….BUT, I did learn to throw some mean darts….Fred Drew.

  23. I replaced an Aussie whose name I cannot recall but it started with WOOD, maybe Woodford? I was the co van until another Aussie named Eagan took over- he had the Recon Company during TET and did a hell of a job. I do not remember any New Zealanders with the Hoc Bao or the Trinh Sat. When I was in Hue the only Black Panther Advisors I recall were Jim Coolican and an Army Captain named Jones.

      • Pat, I see your Dad was a friend of Tony Eagan as was I. In fact, I have pictures of Tony, myself and other Aussies taken the afternoon before the Hue attack. A bunch of us went out to an Imperial Tomb in Nam Hoa and later test firing some captured weapons at an outpost in Nam Hoa. The attack began about 12 hours later.

  24. Bob Stuler:

    Great to hear your name again after so many years. We overlapped in Hue for about four months when you had the
    Trinh Sat (Recon Company.) I think Truong Uy Tan was the CO, at least he was when I was with them. You may recall
    me as a second tour CAPT, 6’3″ with bright red hair assigned as G-2 Air. Major Esteban Sanchez, known affectionately
    as Shaky Steve was the G-2 Advisory boss. Good guy but unbelievably nervous.

  25. Funny we never met because I knew a lot of the Trail guys. I knew of Manhard but never met him. You’re spot on about
    LTC Brown, terrific guy who really knew his stuff. He wrote an interesting book and also tape recorded most of the sounds
    of the first few days and nights of TET 1968 from his room on the 2d floor of the motel/hotel/boq/whatever. TET ended my
    Army career pretty much as my four wounds got me shipped home and I couldn’t stay in without waiving my disabilities
    which I just couldn’t do. Would have loved to have done 20 but the NVA didn’t cooperate.

  26. Must be another Jonesy. My briefs and debriefed were mostly limited to the Trail FACs. I did do a daily briefing (as S-2 Air) for Phillip Manhard, Senior Sector Advisor for Thua Thien Province. He was a GS-18 State Dept. civilian who was captured in Hue on Feb 1 1968 and spent 5 years in the Hanoi Hilton.

    L/C Brown was my boss. Tough, kind and razor sharp. Flew in Burma in WWII. Amazing pilot, warrior and leader.

  27. Denny:

    Are you the JONESY the USAF SSB guy who gave me the daily weather so I could brief Col Peter Kelley and the other
    honchos? LTYC Brown was the main FAC in those days. He actually flew me into an unnamed country somewhat West of Vietnam that I guess I’m still sworn to secrecy about. I was the 1st ARVN Division G-2 AIr Advisor and filled in as Recon Company Advisor when their Aussie WO got hit by mine shrapnel. Former Army CAPT John Doherty, MACV Team # 3
    August 67-February 68.

    • john, would you read my 10 march posting below. there is a reference to a “nz army” WO, but no one i have comms with remembers any nz officers assigned to the huk bao units. i am wondering if this might have been the aussie WO you referenced….this was during col. kelley/kellys time if the same one. early august 1967

      bill

  28. My hat’s off to you and everyone else that were on the ground in Ashau those days. A true strategic target as a choke point for the North’s I-95 supply route, bombed 24/7 by B-52s, secured and rebuilt daily by thousands of NVA troops and “corduroy” road builders. A true valley of the shadow of death.

  29. Trail FACs were involved in a few such missions during my time in Hue. I don’t remember the details of that extraction. Around that period we were in contact with a (Delta?) team that was put into Ashau one afternoon. We left as it became dark. At first light the next day the FAC made radio contact. The team leader whispered, “Get us the hell out of here. We have a regiment surrounded, but they won’t give up their weapons.”

  30. Interesting, I had a FAC in a “pusher” (O-5?) flying over the An Hoa Basin/valley in Jan ’69 that used the call sign “Lopez 50”. He was marking a spot (bomb crater) where there were several NVA holed up and hit one of them in the back with a WP rocket.

  31. Hi Bill. I finished Intel school at Lowry AFB in May 1968. A couple of other FAC support names I remember are Dave Hast (Quang Tri) and Rex Darling (IDASC Danang).

    • Denny or Bill,

      do either of you remember trail support to a usmc recon team that was in the ashau 3 august 67? we were hit during extract. this was in support of (subsequently cancelled) operation cloud. i was the patrol leader of one of the two recon patrols hit that day.

      bill mcbride

    • Denny, Did you ever hear of a FAC out of the Da Nang/ Hill 55 area that used the call sign of “Lopez 50”?

  32. Had one small run-in with Colonel Atkinson. It seems that two of my friends from Ft Bragg were advisors to a Vietnamese Ranger Battalion. They had been n the field for 30 days straight when they wandered into the Hue Compound, straggly looking, torn and dirty fatigues and a overgrowth of chin whiskers. They had nothing with them so they asked to borrow a couple of uniforms until the next day, which I obliged. That night they went to the O’Club and got into a fight with someone. The next day, after I came in from my District in Phu Thu, my uniforms were back in my hooch and there was a message that Col Atkinson wanted to see me. I reported to him about 3:00 PM and he started chewing my ass about my scandalous conduct in the O’club the night before. When he finished his initial rant I told him that it wasn’t me, I had been out in the District Compound all night. It was then I realized what happened. Of course my uniforms had my name on them so when whoever reported it, they gave them my name. He apologized (as best he could) and said to me, “No wonder the reports were you were fighting like two men!) I will never forget the feeling of relief when I exited the CO’s house. Unfortunately, my one friend who was a Major (can’t remember the name) stepped on a mine, lost both legs and half an arm and an eye. Like any good Ranger, he survived, went back to Florida and ran his own cattle ranch. The only time I saw him after that he was featured on a TV documentary about how wounded vets were coping. They showed how he mounted his horse with only one arm and used his teeth to steer the horse. Understand he died about 10 years later but cannot confirm it.

  33. I was stationed at Charlie Two outpost, north of Dong Ha, when this event occurred. I happened to be in the Dong Ha MACV ‘compound’ the day LTC Donald Parsons went on this recon mission. It was a sad day, indeed: Parsons was one of the finest officers I’ve ever met. From researching POW/KIA websites I learned that the wreckage was found in 1996. Six years later, the remains (two teeth) of LTC Parsons were identified. Those remains were interred in Arlington National Cemetery with his two daughters present. I didn’t know anyone else on that flight. 1Lt Francis Delaney.

  34. As I recall, as the one who sent Larry on that trip, I feared he was missing when he called me in the Division TOC to find out where the helicopter was. He had gotten off before it disappeared, but expected it to come back. Larry would remember best. CPT Weisberg

    • OK, thanks for posting Capt Weisburg. I was on duty with you in the TOC when this all went down. Getting off the ship as it was leaving Quang Tri was what he told us back in the hootch after he got back to Hue. I recall your intense and genuine concern after getting the news that the ship was missing and relief when Larry called. So tragic for the men on the mission.

      • Actually, I was supposed to be on that chopper. As luck would have it, I had a very bad cold and Larry Craven volunteered to go in my place. This discussion took place at First ARVN Division G-2 Section. The weather was very bad that day with low visibility.

    • Go to the Arlington National Cemetery website, type in CWO2 Charles Irving Stanley and there will be full explanation of the incident. One thing I did not mention is there were six Americans on board, (Crew) Dave Padgett, Charles Stanley, Sp5 Robert O’Hara, SFC Eugene Christian, (Advisors) LTC Don Parsons and Cpt Ron Briggs (My boyhood friend. I did not even know he was in the Army, let alone on Team 3). There was a Vietnamese Major on board also. When they found the ship, which had crashed and evidently was stuck in the second canopy they found eight bodies. It was assumed that the ship had unfortunately come down on some Vietnamese peasant. As I heard the story while they were still looking for the bird, there was another Vietnamese solider on board, who was the major’s BATMAN (carried his pack, weapon, shined his boots, cooked his meals, etc) I reported this to Casualty Assistance on the day of the funeral but do not know if they ever corrected the mystery of the 8th man. All the recovered bodies with the exception of SFC Christian I believe are buried in a common grave on the south side of Arlington, just across from the old Navy Annex building (in, about 200 feet from the road). I attended the funeral and met with Charles’ brother Ron Stanley and his family. The funeral/internment occurred in September of 2002 I believe. My roommate in Hue City was an AF FAC (0-2 pilot). He was the one who first told me that the craft was missing when I returned from Phu Bai at about 2:00 P.M 6 Feb 1969. He was just heading out to search, along with another FAC. I had never heard about Sgt Craven missing the flight. I hope he has prospered over these many years and like me, has tried to reward others with his good fortune.

    • I was always under the impression he was dead. I moved out to my District (Phu Thu) about that time and did not get back into Hue. I went on R&R in March and when I came back was transferred to USARV Advisor School training MAT Teams until I derosed in July 1969. Just before I left to come home went on a fact-finding mission to a little place called My Lai south of Danang. You may have heard of it. MACV wanted to know why the local population was so hostile to the Advisory effort. Think Lt Calley!

  35. Does anyone have a picture or story about the MACV Goose? I remember there was a picture of the goose on the wall of the Team messhall. He had flown in there during the May 5th attack and took refuge in the MSG Guard Shack at the front gate. He never, to my knowledge left the compound until……when the goose met his untimely death on 10 November 1968 when allegedly, a USMC Mighty-Mite backed up over him in the courtyard. Someone (Army Captain) brought his then lifeless body into the O’Club and it was noticeable that he had been touched with some paint of scarlet and gold (USMC colors). Very suspicious!!! To some his award of a Purple Heart was disturbing. Prior to coming in country I was assigned as Company Commander, Student Company B, USA Special Warfare School where I commanded all the services who were in attendance for the MATA-Sector Unit and Mata-Corps/Division course and three PsyOp courses. I arrived at Team 3 in July 1968, remained there until transferred to USARV Advisor School at Dian and rotated stateside in July 1969. I was assigned to Phu Thu District as the DSA after LTC Lopez left. My Team Sergeant was SFC Bagby and SSG Williams. Had a MAC Team headed up by 1LT Lopez. While in Hue City bunked in with a newly promoted Major John Shalikashvili. Was scheduled to be on the ill-fated 282 AVN Bn Blackcat helicopter which crashed on 6 Feb 1969, but had missed the flight by 15 minutes. Attended funeral for CWO Charles Stanley, Major David Padgett and 4 others, one of whom was Captain Ron Briggs, a friend of mine from the neighborhood in Philadelphia.

    • Brothers, my name is Angelo Romeo and I was the Deputy Compound Commander for Team 3 from May ’68-May ’69. Google MACV Team 3 or “Garfield, the Hue Goose” for your information. Seem to remember a mock court martial for the perpetrator and the sentence was to buy a round at both the EM and Officers Clubs. I do remember Garfield taking a dump in the salad that was to be served in the mess hall. Also remember when the Marines painted him and Major Webb and I had to get it off before the Colonel saw him in the morning. On a somber note, I flew often with Major [then 1LT] Padgett. Nice guy.

    • I was at Team 3 compound Oct 68 to Oct 69. Worked at interrogation center and at TOC at 1st ARVN Div HQ in the citadel. Lived in the farthest corner hootch diagonal from the main gate. I remember a helicopter that disappeared on a return trip from Quang Tri (I think). Can’t remember when exactly it happened. Is this the one you are referring to in your post? If so, one guy from our hootch (Sgt Larry Craven) had made the trip up and was just getting ready to jump in for the return trip when he realized he did not have some documents he was supposed to have and jumped down off the skid, telling the crew he would get a ride back to Hue the next day. If this is the incident you are recalling, can you post any additional info on the ultimate outcome? i.e, was the ship found, are the funerals you mention the crew members? Many thanks.

    • Ron, I just found this web site….going thru it a little at a time….when I came in from the field about Dec 67, I worked for Kelley and Atkinson as their “special Assist”, and my VN counterpart was Gen Troungs Aide. I also helped plan Arclights. anyway, just reading your comment from July 9, 2016….I have several monthly Newsletters from Team Three, approximately from just after TET, to about August or so….and as I recall, the info about the duck is in one of them, also lots of Hail and Farewell stuff, etc….naming the compound after Frank Doezema, who was my RTO in the field, etc etc….I was in the compound on jan 31, and until after the marines got the south side fairly cleared, then we were delegated to shooting the dogs that were eating the bodies all over the city….send me you email address, and I will send you the copies of the monthly newsletters that I have….how can I post them on this web site??? does anyone know…??? Fred Drew.

      • Fred: My e-mail is rbower@ec.rr.com. Living well among the Marines in Jacksonville, NC. Great guys but have to suffer through endless Army “jokes”. Will celebrate their Birthday with them this weekend. I volunteer at the Jacksonville USO, the oldest continuously operating USO in the world.

  36. Col Tschan. Dads name may be familuar to you for a number of reasons. He was Recon in the mid to late 50’s 2nd batallion. Spent some time around Cuba. Was an instructor at Raider school 1964 Okinawa. Assigned to Team 3 from march 67-late 69. Serving 68-69 with the Black Panther unit. After that he was an instruxtor in Coronado for Amphibious recon, then back to Vietnam Thailand 73-74 with JCRC.

    Being Recon, did you know my uncle Sgt Alan T Jensen KIA Oct 17 1967 in Elephant Valley. Force recon. The area was South East of Hue my dads maps do not include that area. South East if Hue near Hwy 1. He was part of Reactionary force team Petrify. They went in to try to get another unit that was pinned down out. At the time he was relativally new to Recon. He served under Joe Taussig? His team name was team petrify. ( not sure if that name was just for that Operation) One of the other team names was war cloud, and Texas Pete? Just curious

  37. Operation Cloud Ashau Valley August 1 1967

    I was on one of two USMC recon teams that were inserted into the Ashau on 1 and 2 August in preparation for this operation. Both teams made contact within a few days of insertion, took casualties, and were extracted on 3 August. The operation was subsequently cancelled.

    The operation was to have been a quick raid into the valley, and was planned as a joint operation between III MAF forces and ARVN. Years later I contacted the USMC Battalion Commander who was designated as the Ground Force Commander for the operation. He sent me the Operation Order and a set of his personal notes. In his notes, an extract from which is included below, he mentions coordination with Army Col. Kelly and other ARVN units. Do any of you who were advisers remember any of this, or have any comments. In my opinion, this operation would have been a disaster had the trigger been pulled on it.

    quotes from his notes below:

    “Initially, it was to be a combined operation with the ARVN and
    there were several conferences with the Army advisers to the 1st
    ARVN Div. The Army colonel was named Kelly, I think. One of the
    earlier schemes of maneuver was for ARVN Rangers to parachute into
    the northern part of the Objective area near the old Special Forces
    fort. which had been the scene of a big fiasco in 1965 or 66, I balked at
    not having command of all the forces on the ground. Subsequently,
    the ARVN Rangers were withdrawn from the operation and the Huk Bao or Black Panther Co. substituted. They had a New Zealand CWO as adviser.

    The Rangers also were to have an air-dropped 105mm btry
    which I thought to be tactically unsound inasmuch as both the
    paratroops and the battery would impinge on the helo assets for
    extraction. One of the “rumors” fed back through Col. Kelly was
    that the paratroops felt that there was a heavy concentration of AA
    MGs around the drop zone. That raised my suspicions that the ARVN
    involvement had already gotten back to Charlie. I came up with a
    concept to capitalize on that by having dummies dropped in
    parachutes in the drop zone which was north of my LZ. I hoped that
    would draw away from the LZ and at the same time reveal their
    positions to our fixed wing support. I was again. suspicious when
    Col. Kelly told me he thought the dummies were a great idea and he
    had Vietnamese seamstresses making them in Hue. So much for tight-hold security.”

    bill mcbride
    3rd recon bn, 3rd mar div ’67’68

    • COL Peter Kelley was the Senior Advisor to the First ARVN and CO of Team #3 when I was there from 8/67-3/68. He had been replaced by Col George Adkisson just before TET. Kelley was WWII and had jumped into Normandy I believe. Sweetheart of a guy, great with junior officers (I was a CAPT) as he had a lot of EM time. I got medvaced out by HUEY on 2/17/68
      and met several USMC WIAs who were openly advocating FRAGGING Adkisson.

      I was able to attend the re-dedication of FRANK DOEZEMA’s grave outside of Kalamazoo, MI with Col (RET) Jim Coolican.
      The MACV Compound was named after Frank who got the DSC for TET while Jim got the Navy Cross for rescuing Frank
      from his guardtower which had taken a direct RPG hit which eventually killed Frank. Frank was Jim’s RTO with the Hac Bao
      (Black Panther Co.)

      John C. Doherty
      CAPT USAR
      MACV Team # 3 Hue
      67-68

      • Thanks for the info john, helps fill in a few of the blanks. knowing now his background in ww2 and normandy, it is understandable how col. kelly might have pushed for a dummy drop to deceive the nva within the operation cloud taor. i do agree with the bn. co’s comments that having them made by seamstresses in hue city probably was an opsec issue.

        col. jim coolican and i served together at usna in the early 70s. hand salute!

        i’m still wondering about the reference to the “cwo nz advisor” to the hac bao mentioned in the op order and notes for cloud.

        bill mcbride

        alpha company, 3rd recon bn. jun-oct ’67

      • Hello John, its me again…going thru the comments on this site. I was the LT with Jim and Frank on the Bn Team. I was in the bunker just to the south of the tower on jan 31. I have kept in touch with Jim over the years. The last time I saw him and Jean was last April in Fresno CA, at his Annual Legion of Valor National Convention (MOH and Cross Recepiendts)…I live in Bakersfield CA. Anyway, I was going to go back to Hue in Jan, and Jim and Harry were going to go, but Jim told me that Harry’s kids were worried. So not going. my wife and I went in 2008 for the 40th. I am so glad that you attended the rededication of Franks grave…

  38. I knew of Major Morales, can’t remember meeting him, however I knew Lt. Col fair very well. I moved to 1/3/1 shortly after he came to PK-17. He was a fine officer, a maverick as they called officers who had been NCOs before getting a field commission. He didn’t mind getting out with us from time to time, especially when we needed supplies in a hurry. I have a few good stories about him. I keep in touch with him until his death.
    Chuck

      • At the beginning I worked division hq but later on I started going out with different units until I was assigned to the village of Nam Hoa.

        • steve m.
          very soon after tet [a day or two a few of us went by helicopter to work at 1st arvn division hq. do you remember being part of that?

          • As much as I can remember I was in the main bunker by Col. Kelly’s house and we use to take turns between our bunker and the Colonel’s. You mention about Sgt. Blum, Sanford, Mueller, Anton ,etc. I remember that were at the same hootch in from of the school. I remember you also ’cause your last was kind of rare it wasn’t easy to forget.

    • Are you the RTO that was with the Nam Hoa District team during and after Tet? I arrived on the team in 1/68 and left in 11/68.

  39. steve m
    anyone remember any of these from macv compound hue 67-68?

    sgt lester blum [head signals nco]
    barry mueller [clerk 1st div]
    [?] sanford [rto]
    tom carty [rto]

  40. steve m, i wrote a novel about a mutant rock and roll band on the ho chi min trail, macv compound and palace in hue make an appearance [i didn’t actually write it, it was written by a young friend of mine to whom i had told the story to when he was little] anyway if anyone is interested i will send you a copy.

    • i am new to this site and looking for information about my father Joseph G Mixson, USMC. The odds someone here would actually have met him are probably scarce at best since he was only in the field for something like 2-3 days. specifically my mother has asked me to find out if there is an error in the listing of my fathers place of death in the national archives, that being Bien Diem province, i have written evidence my father was prpbably not in that province. most likely he was in Thou Thang or Quang Tri. he died in an area called An Lo. he was with another officer who was wounded in the attack, Capt. Richard Dan Riley, Army (he (Riley)may have later been assigned to Adv team 1). another letter says that a then Maj. JJ Turner was in contact with my father in the initial minutes of conflict. another letter from then LTC George J. Van Hazel states he was in defence of a major bridge. my research so far finds an An Lo bridge north on Hue and lots of other references that would not have placed him in Bien Diem province. at the advice of another member i have contacted the national archive for an after action report. the battle seems to have been pretty heavy and occured on Dec. 10 1966, i am trying to read back through all the other posts to find someone who might have been in that place and time but it is a lot to read. anyone who might know of information that would help sort this out can contact me @ ximkram@gmail.com.
      Thank you all for your service.

  41. For those that may be interested, write to the National Archives and Records Administration, 8601 Adelphi Road, College Park, Maryland
    20740-6001, to get information on the MACV Advisory Teams. I did that a few years ago for MACV Team 1-15, Hoi An. I did get some information, not all conclusive, but enough to answer some questions about the team. I was surprised to learn that some of the information was classified until 1987, and other information is still classified. There is a charge for this, depending on what you ask for.

  42. i was on an operation , i think with the hoc bau but it might have been the recon company, in ashau . would have been late summer maybe of 68. the way i remember it was the valley of death. black leafless trees and tarantulas. there was jungle but i can only picture those black trees in the lz

  43. Does anyone remember a New Zealand advisor to the Huk Bao or Black Panther Company during the July-August ’67 time frame?

    A joint USMC-ARVN raid into the Ashau was planned for early August 67. The operation was “Operation Cloud”, and was subsequently cancelled by CG-III MAF. I was team leader of one of the two recon teams from 3rd Recon Bn that participated in the pre-raid activities in the valley. I have documents from III MAF and the USMC Bn. Cdr that mention the involvement of Huk Bao/ BP Co. and the NZ advisor.

    I’m trying to track down other participants of “Cloud”. Email me if you would like to view the docs.
    bill.mcbride “at” gmail dot com.

    • i have used my authorative book ‘The Men Who Persevered’ authors Bruce Davies and Gary McKay to search for any Kiwi who may have been an adviser with the Black Panther Company. Only eleven Kiwis served with the Australian Army Training Team (AATTV) and these are listed in this book along with all Australian ‘Team’ members. The first Kiwi to serve with us arrived in 1970. However, in the time frame you mention, an Australian Warrant Officer, Terence Gill was an adviser to the Black Panthers. One has to admit that with the passing of time an individual may surface who records were incomplete and that a Kiwi may have ‘dropped in’ for a few days. After all it was a strange war.

      • thanks for the research, bill. although the bn. cdr’s notes say ” new zealand cwo”, it is very likely that the advisor was australian. i would like to get in contact with terrence gill if possible

        semper fi

        bill

  44. i just sent a reply , i didn’t realize you remembered me until i read your post again, it would be really cool to see those pictures, and a picture of you [mine were all given away to goodwill by mistake]. and a picture of you
    usincus@hotmail.com

  45. when i was there there were refered to as the recon company ,they had an owl on the beret [never heard them called recondos] although they did get recondo training at the 101 airborn camp [i think near phu bai but south of hue] . the regular advisor at that time was an australian wo, an older guy from brisbain . who had retired from the english army and was recruited by the australians

  46. My name is Marty Albritton. I arrived in Hue in late ’67. I was NCOIC in the S-2 office of Thua Thien Sector Hqs.during the Tet Offensive.

    • I was more fortunate than you. I did not arrive in Hue until August, 1968. Do you remember names of others who served with you at that time?

  47. Hi Gene…My name is Rob Ritchie, I was with TM3 from August 1968 to August 1969. I was the Senior Advisor to 3/54 Regiment and staff Advisor/ Deputy advisor to the 54th during that period. I worked with the Trail FACs frequently and particularly Trail 33. I believe his name was Will Hall from Midland, TX. You Trail guys were great! I also live in Houston, actually Sugar Land.

    • Message
      I am looking for any Vietnam veteran who may have served with and known Captain Nelson Lehman, who served in Vietnam in 1967 with the Advisory Team 3, HQ, MACV Advisors, MACV, and died on duty on March 3, 1967. I am a former college roommate of his and an army veteran of Vietnam. I would like to know more about his service and his death. Thank you for any feedback.

      Lance Long

      lclong@everestkc.net

      • Hi Lance, Nels was my mother’s cousin. I spend time on this website looking for more information on him too. Below is a link to aerogrammes sent by Major Badcoe, Australian Army. His March 8 dispatch gives some detail and Nels is referenced elsewhere too.

        Will send the limited other content that I have to you via email.

        Hunter Hohlt

    • Rob Ritchie,
      I was at Team #1 Hoi An) from December ’67 to November ’68 with the U.S. Army as a SP5 in the S-3 with Air Operations (282nd Aviation, Black Cats). I am retired from the Federal government and live in Pattison, TX, just north of Brookshire). Drop me a line at panama1017@msn.com.

  48. Hi Gene

    It’s great to make contact with you! The Gene Goss that I remember from 1967/68 was the epitome of an American warrior pilot.

    I do remember your report showing evidence of large scale movements around Hue. As I recall, it was on the 29th of January 1968. You may be aware of what happened when I reported it, along with other Trail activities, in a briefing the next morning. (Note: Part of my responsibilities included briefing the Senior Sector Advisor as part of a major daily dog and pony show at his compound, which was located close to House 8. The Senior Advisor was a State Department civilian GS-18, the equivalent of a general officer, and he was responsible for most non-military operations in Thua Thien, including pacification.)

    Anyway, on the morning of the 30th of January I was preparing a large sliding wall map with symbols for significant visual reconnaisance sightings and a couple of immediate airstrikes that we had directed on the 29th. The Advisor recognized my symbols and directed that I immediately give him my report. (Out of turn, since I would normally have been the 4th briefer.) I told him about your report, others showing company sized, probable NVA, movements in the lowlands a bit further north. I then reported that we had put in a couple of sorties in support of either the ARVNs or Marines (memory fails), who had drawn fire from smaller troop movements. The sorties had been properly cleared through the Province Chief. Reminding me that there was a Tet cease fire underway, the Senior Advisor informed me that our actions were destroying carefully nurtured pacification efforts in those areas, that the airstrikes had made us war criminals, and that he would do his best to see that we, the Hue Trail contingent, were all prosecuted. I left the briefing room, and reported what happened to Col. Brown and the IDASC folks in Danang. No one was overly concerned. The Tet Offensive in Hue began at 0300 on the 31st, the next morning. Early that day, the Senior Advisor was captured by the NVA, and I later found out that he was a prisoner in the Hanoi Hilton until he was released in 1973.

    On a lighter note, you may recall the time when you and I, and I think Col. Brown were picked up by the MPs in a skivvy bar in Hue and brought to their hq. The bar was off limits to the Army and Marines, but not us. We were released in Col. Brown’s custody, and immediately went back to the bar. I forget the operation that we were celebrating, but love the story.

    Best of luck to you as well. I’m retired and live in Hilton Head, SC and my email is denjones@gmail.com

  49. I was sent out to Fire Supp base Sarge toward the end of 67, was left out there past my going home date !!!!! I was a RTO for the ARVNs there ……

    • I was in Hue from June 1967 to June 1968. USAF Intel support to Trail facs. House 8 during Tet. Knowledgeable about Thua Thien province, Tet in Hue, the Citadel airfield, etc.

      • Hi Denny -this is Gene Goss one of the Trail Facs. Remember you and all that fun at TET. Remember the night before the attack at dusk when I flew over the Song Be river where it enters the mountains and saw all those footprints of the NVA troop who passed North to South towards HUE. Believe you took the report. Also remember all that fun you had at House 8. Good luck to you. I’m down in Houston.

      • Mr. Jones,

        Just curious, but do you remember Ray Parks, Bird Dog crew chief, and whether he was still with the 20th TASS Hue detachment during the Tet Offensive? He may have left before then, but I don’t recall any longer. I have some photos of House 8, and also one of the volunteer relief force that tried to rescue the people there. Also, if you haven’t read it, Col. Brown wrote a great book that includes that period, called “Palace Gate”. You might be interested in reading it.

        • Hi David,
          Sorry, but I don’t remember Ray Parks. I would be very much interested in photos of House 8 and the heroic volunteers that attempted to link up with us early on. (Please email denjones@gmail.com.) The folks that finally broke through were USMC Hotel 2/5 led by then Captain Christmas. (He retired as a Lt. Gen, and was one of the leading forces in establishing the USMC Museum in Quantico VA.) I do have Col Brown’s book, and it, like him, is outstanding.
          FYI, in Feb 2018 (i.e., the 50th anniversary of Tet) there will be a Celebrity cruise that includes a stop in Hue. I’m planning to take that trip.

      • Denny, My name is Bill Mahon I believe you were my replacement as USAF Intel support for Fac Team in Hue. I’m looking for others who were in our job with other advisory teams. I served in Hue, Phan Thiet and Dong Ha with teams. When did you finish Intel school?

      • Denny, I was there from 1/68 to 11/68. Did you ever play poker in the O Club? I lost a bunch to several FACs over my stay!

        • Never in the O club, but I did play occasionally. On my last night in Hue, I was playing poker with some Army sergeants in a MACV barracks room, when a stoned or drunk soldier staggered into the room. Swearing at one of the sergeants, from about 20 feet away he fired a gun-like M-79 grenade launcher at us. The grenade hit a wooden support that was a few feet away from me, and fell away harmlessly. Fortunately, being a low muzzle velocity weapon, the M-79 was apparently not capable of penetrating or knocking over the support and, most importantly, the grenade had to travel about 100 feet to arm and explode on impact. After a free seconds of stunned silence, most of the sergeants jumped on the soldier and began pummeling him. I, on the other hand, scooped up my cash from the table, bid everyone good night, and left before the military policemen arrived. I did not want to have my departure for the States delayed in order to testify about the incident. The last thing I saw before I left was a rifle butt connecting with the soldier’s head. I never learned, nor cared, what happened to him.

  50. I recall Marine Security guys on Hue MACV Compound during the last half of 1968 but only recall one name, Milke (sp?), nicknamed “Milkman.” Seems he was frequently manning the tower on the SW corner of the compound. I was a radio operator at the ARVN 1st Div HQ inside the Citadel.

    • I didn’t arrive at MACV Compound until August, 1968. However, you may have met Homer Buck, an interrogator at First ARVN Division. Homer was 6″ 6″ tall and must have intimidated the prisoners. You may have met Tom Boyce or Tom Kinoshita who were there at that time. Fred Thompson was the MARS operator. Larry J. Anderson was the company clerk. Let me know if any of these names ring a bell. I lived in the last hooch in the SE corner of the compound. That would be the one with the hole from a B-40 round.

      • I will see dad tonight, and will ask. He was there 67-69 . He really only remembers most of his Hoc Bao attachment but will ask.

        • Only just found this site today. I presume your Dad is now in his senior years> If his memory is OK as your post suggests then he may remember an Australian adviser with the Hac Bao during the same period. I also served as a Medical adviser in Hue in the same period and I was a ood mate of this adviser. His name was Warrant Officer Merv Bolitho. he held the Hac Bao in high regard. Unfortunately Merv passed a couple of years ago. Just passing this on as memories of those days (both good and bad) never leave us.

      • Gary Roberts, are you from south-eastern Ohio? If so, we lived in the same hootch. I remember Homer Buck as well as Spirio, Cravens, Bruce Cook to name a few. If you’re who I think you are, my apologies for the snafu at my class reunion when you came down to visit. I have wondered all these years what had ever happened to you.

      • Hello James K. Frye. Yes, I am the Gary Roberts that you know. I have had very little luck locating Team 3 members. I did make contact with Captain Weisberg who resides in Harrisburg, Pa. It would be interesting to know what happened to some of the other guys. As for me, I was sent out to the A-Shau Valley the last few months of my third tour and functioned as a Light Weapons Infantry Advisor for the First ARVN Infantry Division. I started a Facebook group called Military Assistance Command (MACV) Team 3. Check it out and you
        will see some interesting pictures.

  51. Travis Kirkland? ETSU Sig Ep? Promoted to CPT circa June, 1968 at MACV Compound, Hue? Along with Bradley? Bill Grubbs here…

    • Bill, I remember your name but apologize for not remembering more. Clearly you recall something about me. I hope it was not the highly intoxicated promotion party. Help me remember you

      Travis

      • I believe we are Sig Ep brothers from ETSU, TN Gamma, yes? I entered ETSU in Fall 65; drafted in late 66; two years enlisted (67-68)…the night of your promotion party I was “still” in Hue, having traveled alone from Camp Evans that day on one of my magic scrounging runs. Ran into you and/or Bradley; was invited to party; being enlisted (SP4), I got kicked out of the O-Club…my memory says you guys were a bit miffed…I made my way back to Camp Evans that night…Oh My!!!! Shortly after, I was transferred to Hue…in SIG PLT attached to MACV TM3. I was a radio operator at the ARVN 1st DIV for the last half of 68.

  52. Australian historian researching on our Victoria Cross winners. Anyone know where I can get my hands on After Action reports online from your unit? Thank you in advance.

    • There may be a few on the Texas Tech site, and Bruce Davies has made a collection of many of them, but otherwise you have to go to the hard copies at the U.S. National Archives. They will locate reports for you by emailed request, but you either have to visit yourself to get copies, or hire a researcher to do it for you (or find a local volunteer). Note that they are in order of creation and transmission, not in order of the event,you will find that some were filed well after the action in question, so you have to do a broad search. Also, a good many from the time period around the Tet Offensive are misfiled or missing. Otherwise, the files seem to be intact. It is possible some of the missing AA reports are with the Army Center for Military History – but I’m only guessing.

  53. Responding to Don DeLano.

    I assume you mean the village of Gio Linh was bulldozed. That sounds right. There were no villages within eyesight of A1 outpost, which was just a big sand dune. Everything around us was a free fire zone, from the Ben Hai River southward, including the DMZ of course.

    I don’t recall the name Doc Mieu. Also don’t recall the HIll 31 designater but I think we’re talking about the same place. The outpost was definitely referred to as A1 while I was there; don’t know what it was called before or after that time.

    What is your source for information on Alpha and Charlie outposts? You seem to know a lot about them. Is there a map I can access online?

  54. Travis: C-4 was on the coast north of Cua Viet. If you were east of C-4, you were in the South China Sea. C-1 was just west of QL1, C2 and C3 were between Cam Lo and
    Con Thien. Fran: Gio Linh had been bulldozed by the spring of ’68. It became an ARVN
    outpost called Doc Mieu. It was designated A-2. A-1 was Hill 31. Google “Hill 31 Historic
    Landmark” and check out the NVA battle monument they built there. A-3 was on the
    trace between A-2 and A-4 (Con Thien)

  55. This is Fran Delaney, responding to Travis Kirkland’s question about Bill Bates. My first duty assignment in Nam was at Alpha One outpost, aka Gio Linh, in May, 1968. I don’t recall the name of the army captain senior advisor there but I think it was Bill Bates. Tall, rangy guy, good man.

  56. I am a historian (and Marine) working on a project concerning the battle for Hue City. I have been to,Vietnam 3 times for,research. Can anyone help me locate the names of the Marines on security detail from DaNang killed at the MACV compound 31 Jan 1968 as the Tet offensive began? Thanks.
    D

    • Have you studied the contributions made by the ARVN forces in the battle for Hue? Check out the book “Vietnams Forgotten Heroes”.

      • i just sent a reply , i didn’t realize you remembered me until i read your post again, it would be really cool to see those pictures, and a picture of you [mine were all given away to goodwill by mistake]. and a picture of you
        usincus@hotmail.com

    • I narrowed it down to 12 Marines killed in Thua Thien province on 1/31/68

      BARKSDALE JERRY DEAN Marine Corps 05/14/1946 BERRYTON SHAWNEE KANSAS THUA THIEN 01/31/1968 SOUTHEAST ASIA
      View 2357535 CARTER PAUL C JR Marine Corps 06/29/1948 BARNSTABLE BARNSTABLE MASSACHUSETTS THUA THIEN 01/31/1968 SOUTHEAST ASIA
      View 2329758 DORRIES CARL WAYNE Marine Corps 12/18/1946 IRVING DALLAS TEXAS THUA THIEN 01/31/1968 SOUTHEAST ASIA
      View 2350686 GORDON WILLIAM SAMUEL Marine Corps 02/24/1949 WASHINGTON DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA THUA THIEN 01/31/1968 SOUTHEAST ASIA
      View 2142339 GREGORY HERBERT LEE III Marine Corps 03/04/1947 TAMPA HILLSBOROUGH FLORIDA THUA THIEN 01/31/1968 SOUTHEAST ASIA
      View 1555671 HOOVER GORDON WOOD Marine Corps 02/12/1936 MILLPORT CHEMUNG NEW YORK THUA THIEN 01/31/1968 SOUTHEAST ASIA
      View 2379980 KINNY GERALD CARL Marine Corps 04/30/1949 TOLEDO TAMA IOWA THUA THIEN 01/31/1968 SOUTHEAST ASIA
      View 2349399 MARQUEZ MARTIN JR Marine Corps 11/26/1945 LOS ANGELES LOS ANGELES CALIFORNIA THUA THIEN 01/31/1968 SOUTHEAST ASIA
      View 2355715 MAYER FRANCIS JOHN JR Marine Corps 05/19/1948 WEST LONG BRANCH MONMOUTH NEW JERSEY THUA THIEN 01/31/1968 SOUTHEAST ASIA
      View 075028 MURPHY WALTER MICHAEL Marine Corps 09/10/1936 NEW YORK KINGS NEW YORK THUA THIEN 01/31/1968 SOUTHEAST ASIA
      View 2308144 MURRAY MICHAEL VAN Marine Corps 04/28/1947 MACON BIBB GEORGIA THUA THIEN 01/31/1968 SOUTHEAST ASIA
      View 084441 WOODALL JERRY RUSS

      • The only person killed in the MACV compound was Frank Doezema. I believe he was an Army Spec 4. I arrived after Tet but was instrumental in the ceremony renaming the Compound after that young man. I was the Deputy Compound Commander at the time. Ange Romeo, CPT.

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        • Not sure FRANK was our only KIA. There was a German born NCO (E-6 I think) who was badly wounded and supposedly died later. There were also some Army MI guys caught at a “safe house”, at least one, Corporal Barry Wolk was KIA during TET.

          • According to my count, Upwards of 60 Americans – military, State and CIA – were housed outside of the MACV compound when the Tet Offensive began. Of those, 16 were killed and 13 were captured (2 of whom died in captivity),

            House 8, with it’s 25 or so enlisted Army and Air Force personnel, was the only location that housed Americans outside of the MACV compound in Hue that was not overrun by the NVA.

            12 CIA and State Department CORDS officers in Hue lived within a few blocks of House 8. Of those officials, three were executed, two escaped and seven were captured (including Province Senior Advisor Philip Manhard). Two of the captured died.

            Another compound about a half mile west of House 8 housed military and civilian officials that were part of a so-called CORDS embassy team. 10 members of the embassy team died during or as a result of the fighting, 3 escaped, and one was captured. (Evocative account by then USMC Cpt Ray Lau

            Another house about 4 blocks away from House 8 that was occupied by a 9 Americans manning the local AFVN (Armed Forces Vietnam) radio station was overrun during the morning of 5 February — as House 8 was being relieved. Two of the radio announcers and engineers were killed during the attack, one was executed, and five were captured and brought to Hanoi as prisoners of war. Along with the CIA, State and embassy team prisoners, the AFVN soldiers were released from the Hanoi Hilton in 1973.

            An Army AFVN specialist, John Bagwell, was able to escape from the attack, and a later made it to the MACV compound. On guard duty next to him a couple of nights later at MACV he told me of his unlikely escape, including how he and a North Vietnamese soldier fired a full magazine of their automatic weapons at each other from a distance of about 10 meters without either getting hit. Running into a nearby church, he given sanctuary by local Catholic priests, at great risk to their own safety.

          • There was an Army Counter-Intelligence team in Hue at that time. It was commanded by a Captain whose name I have forgotten. I also have forgotten the number of Special Agents in the team, but it was probably less than 10. As I understand it, they were in their “safe house” when one of them fired at a column of NVA passing by them in the street. Bad idea. After a RPG round came thru the window and exploded, they surrendered. The first thing that happen to them as prisoners is that they had to take off their boots. But, no thorough search was made as the Captain still had his 38 6 weeks later. He give it to two of his people when they asked him for permission to escape. He declined to go with them as he believed he would slow them down because of the condition of his feet. That’s what they told me when I spoke briefly with them at the compound. I understand the Captain survived but I was told he had so many concussions when he was released they could not be counted.

            As I sure you all know, it was extremely unusual for any of our POWs to escape so I was surprised there was little publicity about it. Perhaps the Army did not want to confirm to the NVA they had captured the team.

            • Ted Gostas was the CI Team leader and was released in 1973 along with his NCOIC E-7 Don Rander. I was told that Barry Wolk, a local guy from MASS and a good friend, was executed by the NVA for not surrendering fast enough.

            • Former USMC Captain Ray Lau has recently published an artictle regarding his Tet experience in Hue. He was part of the CORDS/PRU unit housed at 4 and 6 Nguyen Hue St near the Provincial HQ. Among other things, he describes a USMC Sgt Howard Vaughn firing at a large number of NVA running down Le Loi St toward the HQ. That precipitated an attack on their location and his (Vaughn’s) death. Lau’s article can be found in the unclassified CIA.gov website under the December 2016 edition of Studies in Intelligence.

      • Don’t know if my earlier reply went through. I arrived after TET and served asDeputy Compound Commander for MACV Team 3. During my tour we renamed the compound after Frank Doezema who was killed during the Offensive. I believe he was an Army Corporal or Spec 4. Ange Romeo, CPT.

      • Glenn, have you checked if some of the men you named were assigned to CAP teams? From what I remember, the CAP teams were hit pretty hard the first night of Tet.

        H.G. Reza
        RTO
        Phong Dien 67-68

    • Were the marines coming from Phu Bai to reinforce Hue MACV Compound–the first group to arrive during Tet? If so, I know someone in this group–e-mail: jimhollister@juno.com –I’ve never been on this site before so e-mail is appreciated–I was at the compound June 67 to June 68 as Order of Battle Analyst.

  57. Hello All,
    I am the son-in-law of Frank Breth. He was assigned to MACV Team 3 as a Marine Major back in 67-68. I have reached out to some of his team mates regarding his actions with the team and was wondering if anybody here served with him at Hue and had any personal stories to share of his actions during the battle of Hue. I have talked to Col Coolican and Fred Drew regarding having his Bronze Star upgraded from the Marine Corps but as some of you may know, it’s nearly impossible to get done. So any personal stories would be appreciated.

    Thank you all for your service,
    Jim Garman USN (RET)
    MSCUSN99@gmail.com

    • Jim,I don’t know if this will get to you.I left MACV compoud just befor Frank rotated in. I had spent 2 tours in Vietnam most of it in Hue. I was with EDS when Frank was hired as a recruiter.We were both working in NYC and became friends after we talked one night and realized we had spent time in Hue. I saw Frank at the pentagon when he was N-2 for the corp.Strangely enough we both wound up living in KC. I recruited him to CSC in Austin and then he got sick,I flew to D.C. to see him in the hospital whitch was the last time I saw him.I flew to D.C to attend his funeral at Arlington. He was a hell of a Marine and a great guy.Think of him often.
      Jim Glavin
      LCDR US Navy, retired.

      • James, I put together a “reader ” several years ago thinking I was going to VN with a college group. The reader was mostly a collection of AAR’s, magazine articles and some captured stuff that mentions Maj Breth. I set a copy to his wife shortly after I completed the final draft. She may still have it.

        Good luck
        Travis Kirkland

      • jim, steve malamud, i am trying to fit memories back together, i was an rto ist arvn division macv compound , next to hootch to the one on the corner where i believe the helicopter pilots were. in other words, looking at the school across the street i was in the hootch second from the left when tet hit. i believe i was blown out of bed by the rocket that hit the tower, anyway a big yelow ball of fire went off in my deream and i was on the floor.

        at any rate i spent time in the field with the hoc bau. there was a young rto who was assigned to the hac bau right around the beginning of tet and he told me about you and dai wee hue, and when a tall e-7 advisor to them got injured i asked to be assigned to the hoc bau. i don’t rtemember if you were still the advisor or you had already left.

        also i would like to say hello to dai wee hue [that’s how i knew him and still think of him

        thanks steve malamud

  58. Jack (Skip) Moore says hi to Jim Coolican. I live in The Villages, FL if you get this way while you are in FL, say hi.

  59. Does anyone remember a bn advisor named Bill Bates, Army Captain. He was at Gio Lihn I think. Home was California.

    Bob Tschan, I remember you from a fight we were both in just east of the fire base (c4 I think) that went on for a few days. I think I recall a bullet hole in the leg of your fatigues. The Arvin bn I was with went into the southern end of the tree line and were quickly pushed out.

    Travlin@aol.com

    • Travis,
      Yup! Good memory!!! That’s a couple of days that I will never forget! Yes, I had a round go thru my trouser leg, just below the crotch. Had to drop to my knees to check it out! Just a welt–didn’t break the skin, so no Purple Heart. Still don’t have one, but definitely not complaining!!
      That was one hell of a fight w/the NVA–2 Bns.
      Bob Tschan

      • Bob: I noticed your comment to Pat Weyland. We live in Ann Arbor, MI, but spend the winters in Florida. Our son is stationed at Quantico so I see Harry Hue often, he lives in Falls Church, VA.
        Semper Fi
        Jim Coolican

  60. Bill , We are down in Sarasota on Vacation, I will ask dad when I return. The Two Aussies he worked with were Tony Eagan and Merv Bolitho. However, I seem to remember him telling me that there had been another Aussie that Merv replaced early on. I will have to check with him. will be home next week. I do not recall him mentioning any New Zealanders Pat Weyand

  61. Just a FAC call sign clarification: The Cat killer FACs were Army flying L19Bird Dogs; Covey FACs were out country USAF flying in Laos and along the Laotian RVN border; Trail FACs were USAF supporting TM3, 1st ARVN Div.

    • In the spring of ’67 we had a fire mission in support for call sign Polite Search , (SF). We were still in the adjustment phase when Cat Killer 11 came on the net and asked to control the mission as his visual from the air was better. SF okay, and when we went into Fire For Effect, (FFE), Battery 3, all 18 rounds were on the way, Cat Killer came back in a Panic, Check Fire, Check Fire All Check Fires in Effect, I gave the wrong correction. Everyone in FDC, had to write a statement on what they heard transmitted incoming transmission from Cat Killer to FDC. Then Cat Killer called for Medivac, then after Medivac he called for an airstrike. Our Battery Commander was angry because the air force would get credit for the body count. Cat Killer then requested to continue the artillery fire mission. Our Battery Commander told Cat Killer negative and return to home plate and shake Ho Chi Min’s hand. What we were able to come to the conclusion is Cat Killer 11 censed the round in adjustment and sent that as a correction and FFE.

  62. Responding to Bill McBride. Covey was the army O-1 call in early 68. Also, Tom Pilch lived above me in the Hue Compound sometime the last half of 68 when I came off A1.

    • the FACs who supported our team in 1967 and until i rotated home in May 1968 used the call sign “Cat Killer.”

      H.G. Reza
      RTO, Phong Dien 67-68

      • The morning of the Tet offensive ’68, I was on the radio at 1st ARVN Div in Hue’; I got a call from Cat Killer 22 saying Sappers were blowing up the planes and hutches at Hue’ Cit airport…. That was the beginning of Tet for a 20 year old with 3 weeks in county.”

  63. Hey Barry, I was the senior advisor with 3/54 in 68/69. Sid Colley was on my team. He was a soldier’s soldier. Did you know him?

    • He was in the USMC. Combined Action Platoon 3-4-3. The leader of the CAP was a LCpl D.L. Williams. He was wounded 4/15/70, died 4/17/70 on the USS Sanctuary.

  64. My name is Jason Adkins. I was born Jason Kitchens. My father was Frank McCrary Kitchens and was killed in April of 1970 in the Thua Thien Province of Vietnam. Can anyone remember him and divulge any information about him? My mother became pregnant while they were on R&R in Hawaii. I was born in December of 1970. My mother became a mother and a widow at the age of 18. Just looking for some info! Thanks!

    • I was an Australian Advisor with 2nd Bn, 2nd Regt at Dong Ha in 1970/71 and was checking out Team 19 Quang Tri for info when I saw the following regards a Capt Kitchen. Hope it may help you.
      Persevere,
      Barry Long (WO2)

      Richard D Johnson permalink

      May 12, 2015 9:39 pm

      I was transferred to MACV Team 4 in Mar 68 from the MACV Hue TM where I was stationed in Feb,and sent to Riverview in Quang Tri City on the River. My first commander was Major Moore and then in late 68 Col Moore. A Capt Kitchen was there in early March and April and an Australian Mr Perkins. I spent my whole year in the field with the first ARVN Regiment, I was a PFC then and remember operations in Hai Lang, A Shua Valley. Left in 68 as an E-5

      • Barry, are you in contact with Dick Powell, Aussie WO who was assigned to our team at Phong Dien? He rotated home in 1968 soon after the Tet Offensive. If so, can you tell me how he’s doing? Thanks.

        H.G. Reza
        RTO, Phong Dien 67-68

  65. I arrived in Nam on August 67 until Aug 68. I was a RTO assigned to the Hue side. the first few months I was not assigned to a unit so I went out with different units. Later I was assigned to the village of Nam Hoa. My commanding officer was an aussie and also the warrant officer. We had a team of 5 and we stayed at the village. Once in a while we come into the MACV compound. We were in the compound during the Tet Offensive.

    • steve m . were you possibly in our bunker [behind our hootch ]on the perimeter? we were mostly rto’s a few enlisted men who worked at 1st arvn division. by the way there was an e6 sgt lester [something like signals nco] blum. any memory of him

    • Hey “Hai Shi Rod”! I am Tom Odom and was assigned to Nam Hoa in 1/68. I was a 1LT when I got there but made CPT on 2/1/68. As I recall we got the CIB on the same day and when Our Aussie Maj got back from his party in Saigon we got evacuated to Hue the next day, 2/14/68. We spent the rest of the Tet Offensive in Hue. Where do you live now and what have you been doing for 50 years?

      • Hi Tom or Captain Odom, I can remember you exactly as you were back in the day in Nam Hoa Village. Is so nice to know that you are still alive and kicking. I connected with Captain John C.Doherty through this same page.We went to an operation together to street withow joy. I am so glad to know that you are still alive. Miracles never seize to amaze me.I live in Ocala,FL. I remember that our team consisted of an Aussie Major,Aussie Warrant Officer, you, E7 sargeant medic and me.The only name that I can recall is yours. I can see their faces but I can recall their names. Keep in touch.

        • Nelson, I can remember your face as well. The Aussie WO on our team during Tet was Ozzie Ostera. There were two Aussie Majors during my tour and I know one was named Maj Norris but I can’t recall if that was during Tet or later. I do recall that he was in Saigon during Tet and the day after his return we got sent back to Hue on an Air America Huey, 2/14/68. We landed at the LCU ramp and made a run for the MACV compound while the NVA fired from across the river. I do not recall the SFC medic’s name but I do remember our Vietnamese driver was Ben Shi Sau (Pvt Sau).

          After Vietnam I was with the 82nd and 1st Special Forces, went back to school on the GI Bill and made a career in manufacturing. I now live in Tennessee near kids and grandkids.

          Lets do stay in touch,

          Tom

          • Tom I remember Sau and If I recall correctly he was also our cook. He had a daughter that he sometimes use to bring it to the hootch that we stay in Nam Hoa.There was a liutenant that his tour of duty was over after I got assigned to Nam Hoa.I can not remember his name. I am 70 years old already and still going. I am we made contact.

  66. Another place to interact with Team 3 members is with our facebook group called: Military Assistance Command Vietnam (MACV) Team 3. We are starting to get some good photographs and interactions. Feel free to join us.

    • With the G2, 1st Div from Jan 67 – Nov 67. Served with the Recon Company when they lost their Aussie Advisor, WIA. Lots of pics of the area and compound, etc. Recon pics are all slides, need to change them over to CD. Would love to hear about our ARVN friends. Bob Stuler.

  67. I knew Sgt. Alvarado and I remember he was in Thua Thien Province. I believe at one time he mentioned to me that the reason he stayed in Vietnam for so long was because he did not have that much family in the states. He really was a nice guy.

    • Sgt. Alvarado was from Texas, my home state. He had a girlfriend in Saigon, which was the main reason why he kept extending. I had lunch with him in Oct. 2001. He married his Vietnamese girlfriend, and they lived on a farm just north of Escondido, Ca. He and his wife grew vegetables and fruits that they sold at Vietnamese markets. I called him a few weeks later and got a message that the number had been disconnected. I never saw or heard from him again. When I saw him he was wearing a straw hat, faded jeans, very scuffed work boots and a flannel shirt, looking every bit like the farmer he was and nothing like the soldier I remembered.

      H.G. Reza
      RTO, Phong Dien 67-68

    • I never worked on the ARVN 1st Inf. Division side. I was assigned to Thua Thien Sector. A number of new RTOs were broken in on the Sector side, working at hqs for a while, when I arrived in May 1967. Some of these guys ended up with ARVN units. Sgt. Alberto Alvarado mentored many of the RTOs, including me, at Sector. Alvarado was on his 3rd tour in 67. He already had a Silver Star and at least one PH.

      • Just came onto this site to see if anyone on the teams served with Major Peter Badcoe during the period 1966 – 1967 being the year he was killed in action ? Doing research on Peters time served in Vietnam. Many Thanks ( WO 2 retired served 1 SAS Sqn Vietnam )

    • N.Rodriquez—I know how you feel. It’s been great to find men who were with Team 3 and knew about Hue and PK-17. I had a hard time finding any body except SFC Elmer Denton when I got back. “Dent” died in 1976 or ’77 and I didn’t try too hard after that until the mid ’80’s when I found SSGT Herman Wiggins (a Marine) in 1987. I found Col. Fair some years later and kept in touch with him until his death a few years ago. I kept in touch with Lt Gen Richard Stillwell from 1996 til he died, he was a solder’s soldier. In Nam we were on friendly terms, he called me “Chuck” and I called him “Yes Sir, General”. I’m in contact with Major James Shillinglaw as well as now Gunny Wiggins on a regular basis.

      • After I left Vietnam and saw the treatment Vietnam Vets were getting by society and the government I turned to isolation and avoidance and I did not kept with any one from Nam. I came across the MACV website by chance and read some of the comments and I decided to make a comment. I am glad I found the website and read some of the comments of people that were on team 3.

      • Capt. Thurmond, doing some research and came across this. Seeing your reference to Dad (SFC Elmer Denton) took my breath a bit. We think of you frequently and hope you are well. So appreciate the effort you made to tell us some of Dad’s story. It has been so log since May 15th 1981 when we lost him, but memories are still sweet. Thank you,
        Sandy (Denton) Smith d-ssmith@classicnet.net

  68. I am not sure whether I know you but for some reason your name if I am recalling correctly sounds familiar. Since is over 45 years I never thought of making contact with anyone from Hue MACV advisory team. I was very friendly with Vazquez the marine at the main gate and also I knew most of the marines from marine security. Vazquez was hit the first night of the Tet offensive and I did not see him again.

  69. I stayed at PK 17 a few weeks when Major Morales was assigned as the commanding officer and also went on a few patrols with them. After that another radio operator was assigned to them. I am not sure if the RO last name was Sanford.

    • I remember your team and Major Morales. You guys were on an operation with an ARVN unit from PK 17 in Co Bi Than Tan. Our PF company from Phong Dien secured the east end of the river on the last day so you guys could make a safe crossing and return home. I also remember the time that your team was trying to reach the marine unit at Camp Evans. They had changed call signs and they weren’t responding. I called and asked your guy (maybe it was you) to “go high” to the alternate frequency and cryptically gave you the new call sign, which was John Brown.I was the RTO at Phong Dien. I’m glad you found this site. There’s only a few of us from 67-68 here.

    • It is interesting that you mention Major Morales. When I arrived in Dec 67, I was assigned as senior advisor to 3rd Bn, 3rd Regt. Major Morales was the Regimental Senior Advisor and was based at PK 17. He remained in that position until maybe July or August when he was replaced by LTC Fair. I got promoted out of my job as Bn Advisor and served as the regimental staff advisor at PK 17 under both Maj Morales and LTC Fair.

      • I think Major Morales left early Aug, not sure I met him while I was with the Recondo company (Night Owls). I remember 4th of July night while on ambush south of PK-17, a near by fire base, can’t remember which one, I can’t find my patrol book from that time, opened up with every thing they had at 12 midnight. We could hear Maj. Morales on the radio wanting to know what was going on. We were set up in a grave yard and had enough cover but it was hair raising. About 3 minutes after the shooting stopped a VC ran into our ambush wide open- we thought that he and his buddies had attacked the fire base but found out later that the FB was just celebrating the 4th. Never did find out what the VC had been up to.

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  70. Hey Tom, I was a mail clerk for awhile also, along with being a gate guard perimeter guard, bunker guard, and general jack of all trades. I was at Eagle on an extension of my tour. Before that I was with the 196th Infantry Brigade near DaNang and the 1st Aviation Brigade down around the Bien Hue area. There was a Sgt Rice at Eagle who was an orderly room Sgt we were friends. Had another buddy named Shepperd only new him by Shep. He extended also was sent to Quong Tri, with the 3rd ARVN Division. Never heard from since.

    b

  71. Chuck Thurmond,
    You should read the book “Easter Offensive”, by Gerald Turley, Col., USMCR, Ret.

    • Robert,
      I came in while you were on leave and took over as advisor to the Recon company. They were a great bunch. Tough and reliable. I heard about your stay in the moat, I was billeted along the wall not far from the throne room. I wondered then how you kept from being eaten alive by leeches and mosquitos. The answer is that it probably was a close thing. I’m glad you made it. It’s good to see your post. I’ve really enjoyed reading the posts here by people who I either knew or at least knew the area and the ARVNs there. Almost all of the ARVN’s I knew were killed in ’72.’73 or ’75. One or two that I met from the Hoc Bao were in Falls Church when I went to Harry’s book signing. Of course I knew Gen. Troung and Harry but few of the lt.’s, Captains and Majors survived the war. I didn’t know that Harry Hue was alive until I met with Gen Luong in 1996. I was shocked to say the least, and almost as surprised that they remembered me, a lowly 1Lt.
      Take care and God bless you

      Chuck

      • hello chuck, any others who might have info:

        i’m bill mcbride, usmc ret. i was with 3rd recon bn, 3rd mar div. i was patrol leader of one of two patrols inserted into the southern ashau on 1 august 1967. this was in support of a joint usmc/arvn operation (operation cloud). the operation was cancelled by cg 3 MAF before it started, partially due to wx and partially because both our patrols were hit pretty badly.

        i have notes from the bn. cdr and the op order for “cloud”. in the task org. it lists the hoc bao company as being the arvn component, and indicated that the advisor was a wo/cwo from new zealand.

        any idea who this might have been?

        thanks

        bill bill.mcbride@gmail.com

      • steve malamud ,i was an rto 1 st arvn division and spent much time in the field with hoc bao and the reconassaince company. i was awarded a beret by each unit. i made some pretty stupid mistakes along the way but casualties were pretty low. i remember dai wee hue very well

    • Col. Robert E. Tschan. I showed Dad SgtMaj Richard Weyand USMC your post, and he was trying to place you with the dates you listed for Hoc Bao team 3. Dad worked with and Replaced Jim Coolican. He was with team 3 from 67-69 and with Hoc Bao as the Assist Sr Advisor from 68-69 around the dates you mentioned. But as he said 45 years later it is difficult to remember all the names. He didn’t recognize your name. maybe you guys crossed in transit. He was a Marine as well

      • hello pat…i posted this. would you ask your dad about it? i also served with jim coolican and will try and contact him

        “hello chuck, any others who might have info:

        i’m bill mcbride, usmc ret. i was with 3rd recon bn, 3rd mar div. i was patrol leader of one of two patrols inserted into the southern ashau on 1 august 1967. this was in support of a joint usmc/arvn operation (operation cloud). the operation was cancelled by cg 3 MAF before it started, partially due to wx and partially because both our patrols were hit pretty badly.

        i have notes from the bn. cdr and the op order for “cloud”. in the task org. it lists the hoc bao company as being the arvn component, and indicated that the advisor was a wo/cwo from new zealand.

        any idea who this might have been?”

        thanks

        bill bill.mcbride@gmail.com

      • Pat Weyand,
        Your Dad’s name is familiar, but I can’t place him.
        I was the Sr. Advisor to the 1st ARVN Div. Recon Co.–different unit from the Hoc Bao (Black Panthers).
        Your dad must have been replaced by (then) Capt. Roger Wellbrook, USMC.
        Jim Colligan was awarded the Navy Cross for his actions @ the Hue MACV compound on the first night of “Tet”.
        Jim and I were classmates @ the USMC Command & Staff College, ’78-79.
        He retired as a Col., USMC, but I do not know where he is now.
        Semper Fi,
        Bob Tschan

    • semper fi

      hello robert,

      i left this post in multiple places on the blog. any help appreciated. thanks

      “hello chuck, any others who might have info:

      i’m bill mcbride, usmc ret. i was with 3rd recon bn, 3rd mar div. i was patrol leader of one of two patrols inserted into the southern ashau on 1 august 1967. this was in support of a joint usmc/arvn operation (operation cloud). the operation was cancelled by cg 3 MAF before it started, partially due to wx and partially because both our patrols were hit pretty badly.

      i have notes from the bn. cdr and the op order for “cloud”. in the task org. it lists the hoc bao company as being the arvn component, and indicated that the advisor was a wo/cwo from new zealand.

      any idea who this might have been?

      thanks

      bill bill.mcbride@gmail.com

      • Bill Mcbride,
        Sorry, but I can’t help. I was with the 2nd Bn, 1st ARVN Regt. @ Dong Ha in August ’67. I do know that the Sr. Advisor to the Hoc Bao during “Tet” was (then) Capt. Jim Colligan, but I don’t know if he was the Sr. Advisor in August.
        Semper Fi, Bob Tschan

  72. Sorry I missed both of your post. I have been offline for quite so time. I’m sure I knew you Gary as I worked at TOC off of the compound, and went through the gate daily. I recall your name Tom, you were Lt or Cpt Coleman I think, seems like you were in TOC also. Yes 1st Sgt Decker was there the whole time is was, the CO was Col Dickerson, and at one time Col Muller (or Mueller). My immediate CO’s were CW4 Clark & Maj Shaffer, our NCOIC was SSG Ashley. I remember the Mess Sgt was SFC Tyson, and the Supply Sgt was Sgt Dasher. Had an Lt Pappas that worked near me in TOC. I can’t recall many enlisted names like myself because we almost all had nicknames like Spider, Red, Countryboy, etc. Glad you both found this site. I came to Hue Dec 71, moved to Camp Eagle with Team 3, and stayed until Nov 72. Take Care ALL !

  73. I’ve really enjoyed reading the posts on this site. I’ve found out what happened to a couple of people that I once knew and read other people’s accounts of their experiences. They are both similar and different at the same time-not confusing if you understand that some things are the same for soldiers regardless of circumstances yet personal factors make each story a little different. God bless each and everyone of you. We were a “different breed of men” who for the most part at least, were volunteers. We enter acted with an alien culture and through it all survived to tell our stories. I’d love to see a book written about American Advisors by someone who really knew about being one. Andrew Wiess wrote a very good book about Harry Hue. I tried to get him to write about Advisors but he was burnt out after doing Hue’s story. Maybe one day he;ll get around to doing it. I just hope there’s enough of us left to make sure it is on target.

    Chuck Thurmond
    “Delta Whiskey”
    Team 3
    Sub Team 65
    PK-17
    ’68-’69

  74. Chuck,

    One of my favorite “explanations” of “language in general” and how it functions: “Language is like a river; it goes where it will.” Or as Don Quixote is “quoted”: “I know what I’m saying” (even though nobody else does). Ah, the frustration of it all–one wants what one learns from a book or from a native speaker to be “correct,” and it ain’t necessarily so. My Spanish is that of Madrid; I always gotta remember that when I go elsewhere in the Hispanic world. Case in point is how you say “You catch the bus” at that corner or wherever. In my dialect, what’s perfectly normal and innocent doesn’t work so well in Argentina, where what my dialect uses would describe performing a sexual act with a bus that is unlikely at best–and, as you suggest above, an occasion for all those involved to have a hearty laugh at your expense.
    Too bad that we draftees couldn’t have had some language training before the trip to the Nam–woulda made the “hearts and minds” part of it a whole lot more effective. If you can speak with a person in his/her own language, you are going to see/treat that person as a PERSON and not as an object–well, in most cases, anyway. I’m not at all proud of losing my cool when trying to communicate with the Vietnamese, which happened way too often.
    So what’s “correct” language? It’s what is used to communicate in the place where you want to use the language. So I understand that, right? Not that easy. I watch a lot of soccer on TV now that it’s available–the announcers for the channel that carries the Spanish league work out of Miami, Florida, and they speak a dialect that drives me up the wall. The idea of throwing English words into one’s speech comes up often, and Spanish words take on uses which they’ve never had in Spanish a bit more isolated from the English world. Ah, globalization.
    Anyway, I ramble on.

    Keep on keepin’ on,

    Alan

      • I would like to see the picture of Lars Husted. He worked for me. I picked his body up Easter Sunday 1969. He was a good man!

      • Rob,
        I haven’t figured out how to post photos on this site yet or even if they can be, send me an e-mail at cthurmond1@windstream.net
        Lars and I went to OCS together, it really hurt when he died. If Fran Delaney happens to read this, I have one photo of Bill Garrison in country -we went to OCS together. I also have a photo of Fran and Lars made in Da Nang went we were there in June ’68

        If anyone from Team 18 (PF’s) reads this I have a photo of your philosophical musing that was posted on your cupboard. Do you remember “Man cannot live by bread alone—“?
        Anybody remember the Pagoda along the Song Hu’ong?, also printed on the back of the photo is “Chua Linh Mu. I’ve forgotten what Vietnamese I knew, even though I once spoke it pretty well.

  75. Thanks–sounds like it could be the same guy. He popped into my memory as I thought more and more about the summer of 1969 in the A Shau.

    • Travis,
      I was the Sr. Advisor to the ARVN Bn. that was the first unit to occupy A-1. SFC Green was the Sr. NCO on my team. I was there temporarily because the actual Sr. Advisor to that Bn. had been medevaced out to have sand removed from his eye. I do not recall the exact dates (I was only there for about 36 days).
      Were you there when the Naval Gunfire Spot team’s bunker and the Advisor’s bunker both took direct hits from NVA Artillery? I was and so was SFC Green. One of the rounds detonated directly under the rack I had just left.
      The two Army F.O.’s–1st Lt. and A Sgt. were killed–along with I think, two Marines from the NGFS Team. SFC Green and I had to carry the dead and wounded to the medevac zone, w/o any help from the ARVN!! In fact, while we were doing that, the ARVN entered our blown up bunker and stole our gear, cigarettes and all!!
      We must have met, or passed in the night!
      Semper Fi,
      Bob Tschan

      • Old age can mess up my memory of the sequence of events . I arrived VN 5 days before Tet broke and the same day I Corps HQ was attacked, hung around Da Nang for a few days and the flew around Hue To Quang Tri because, I think, the Hue Compound was still cut off or nearly so. Truck from QT to Dong Ha and the a Marine chopper to A1. I don’t recall who the Sr Advisor was because the SA at the fire base north of DH was wounded and I was pulled out to go there. It was during that period we met briefly as we were going into the fight. I was in another fight with about 12 KIA and 20-30 WIA south of where we met.

        At some point I returned via DH, MC tracks and a night march across the dunes back to A1 until mid to late May after what now seems to be informally named “the battle of DH”. Worked for COL Georga Atkisson and then Harry Heistand, 1st Arvn SA. I was not a very good pseudo-aide and talked my way into the Hac Bao for the last 3-4 months of my tour. I think I followed Jim C

        Thanks for reading

        Travis Kirkland

        Sent from my iPad

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      • COL Tschan,

        The Arty FO killed on 03 Feb 1968 on A-1 was Stephen
        Brooks Murden. His RTO, also killed that day, was PFC Carl Dingus.
        Murden and Dingus went up there 01 Dec 1967.

        The first ARVN outfit to occupy A-1 was 1st Battalion ARVN Airborne,
        who secured the site while it was being built starting in the fall of ’67
        by ARVN Engineers and while the 2d Regt 1st ARVN was sent to Dong
        Da training center near PhuBai to re-arm with the M16 and other more
        modern weaponry than the vintage WWII arms they’d been using up to
        that time. The battalion main was at Hill 23 to the SE towards Cua Viet
        while the forward company was in the dunes to the north of A-1,
        accompanied by myself and 2 Marine snipers from the 25th or 26th
        Marines.

        I was Murden’s recon sgt, but I was in DH that day. I’m trying to remember
        the Navy LT (O-3) that was on Hill 31 in Nov/Dec 1967. There were others
        lost there in May ’68 (L/CPL Zobell, USMC 1ST ANGLICO, SGT Dave
        Lemcke,Arty and CPL Brent Jones Arty. Some of the other Marines there
        were Barry Nace, Jimmy Krystinak, CPL Nash, SSG Holcomb, L/CPL
        Tim Sheely, L/CPL Hoover, SGT Jones, There were more that I can’t
        remember.

        There were so many NVA getting past us in the spring of ’68 that we
        finally got LTC Vu Van Giai (2d Regt CO) to authorize a free fire zone
        in the valley to the west between A-1 and Gio Linh which greatly
        facilitated our operations.

        I finally got back there in 2011 to help locate Dave Lemcke’s remains.
        He had been carried MIA since ’68. It took us about five hours to find
        him and initiate his return to the USA. The jeep ride down QL1 from
        DaNang took longer than that, I swear.

  76. Chuck,
    Really enjoyed your last post, especially the symbolic burying of the hatchet. And, of course, reading of how well you were treated when you went back to the Nam. Got to admit, I’m in awe of your courage at the mine field. I’m envious of the fact that, as you mentioned in another post, you spoke some Vietnamese. Although I’m a lifelong language learner (Spanish, Portuguese, French) and teacher (Spanish), I was limited to the worst pidgin Vietnamese-English when I was there–cat kai dou, die wie, Truong tau, dien kai dou, GI dee-dee Hoa Kee mo fuch no comeback, and the ilk. Knowing a bit of the language would have been a huge morale booster.
    Wonder if you’ve run across the novels of Tim O’Brien. My wife gave me one for Christmas: “The Things They Carried.” Very good. Now looking for others in our local library–found “Going After Cacciato”–my wife read it; I haven’t had a chance yet; didn’t find the poignantly named “If I Die in a Combat Zone, Box Me Up and Send Me Home.” Never heard that particular marching song in training, but there were some others that were close. Tim O’Brien could have been me with regard to age, situation when drafted, future plans, etc. I was a lot luckier than he was in where I ended up in Nam, but the similarities in our situations were many.
    All of this brings back more and more memories of people and places. I suddenly flashed on a tall African-American NCO who went out with the CA to Hamburger Hill when it was decided we really needed it after all in July or August of ’69. Can’t come up with his name for sure–perhaps his last name was “Green.” Ring any bells?

    Alan

    • Alan,

      I was taught Vietnamese by a beautiful young lady at Ft Gordon, even got a proficiency award. To my surprise, when I got to VN some of the language I had learned was wrong. How could such a beautiful woman do me that way? Turns out she forgot to tell my class that she was from NORTH Vietnam. Lots of difference sometimes. Reminded me of a friend back in DC when I was with the FBI (I took a leave of absence to join the Army.) He was a Puerto Rican who spent part of his teenage years in New York and the rest in Miami, Fla. I would listen to him talk for a minute or two (he could really say a lot in that amount of time) then ask his wife what had he said. Anyway, I gradually picked up the correct words.
      when the Viets didn’t know the right English words they would switch to French, then Vietnamese when their vocabulary ran out, I started doing the same in reverse-Vietnamese, French then English. That kind of messed up my Vietnamese because we did it so often that it became second nature. It caused a lot of consternation when we were around people who didn’t know what we were doing! And of course, soldiers being soldiers, they taught me a lot of slang-not always the correct words either. That caused some panic among Vietnamese waitresses at first. My Viet officers thought it was hilarious, actually it was. Not to be outdone I returned the favor.
      As for the mine field, I had good training in AIT on mines and minefields, God bless old brown shoe Sgt’s who taught me a lot about mines, explosives, weapons and such. I went to Red Stone Arsenal when I came home, another strange story-never ask a friend who can’t read the terrain on maps to get you a posting as close to home as possible. It was 5 hrs and 30 mins to Ft Benning from home and he said it was much closer to Red Stone -turned out to be 10 mins closer, but worse roads. An old SSgt there told me to not worry about the Russians, that they were about done, “but look out for the damn Arabs”. I thought at the time he was a “little off” as we sometimes say around here. How he knew I don’t know. He also said that we (the US) had given Israel 200 of the nuclear shells for the special cannons that had been made to fire them but couldn’t get them to go far enough away to keep from killing the cannoneers. They were supposed to keep the Russians from coming through the gap into Germany I believe. We had a lot of weird things at Red Stone.More about that later.

      Chuck

  77. I have formed a Facebook Group titled: Military Assistance Command Vietnam (MACV) Team 3. We are starting to get a few members and some good photos. We welcome all Team 3 members.

    • Greetings , I am a researcher on a new book about Peter Badcoe VC and Australian Army major ( AATTV ) killed during his time with MACV ( team 3 ) Should anyone know of his time with the team please contact me on : truckk13@hotmail.com Regards Laurie Sams

    • Greetings ,

      Has anyone have any team or individual photographs with or of Major Peter Badcoe who was with Team 3 during 1966 until he was KIA
      7th April 1967 ?

      Many Thanks
      Laurie Sams

  78. Chuck,
    Was very interested in what you said in the last message–sounds as though you really got the run-around. Not interested in helping those who might have had the most exposure? Surreal, but I’ve heard stories about that before . . . Feel deeply your pain about your third son and everything you’ve been through. Would be very interested in hearing about your return to the Nam. Some of the other stories I’ve read on here tell what happened to places where I was–PK 17, I believe I read, became a cement factory . . . I remember back then thinking that the A Shau Valley was hauntingly beautiful, and knowing that I’d never forget it. I was never a photo taker, but Doc Bridges, medic at Doezema Compound, knew I’d been out there (at FSB’s, never, thank goodness, in the boonies) and gave me a photo he’d taken; afraid it got lost in the shuffle of the years . . .
    Look forward to hearing more,

    Alan

    • Alan,

      Went to see American Sniper tonight with my grandson. A buddy of mine who did 3 tours in Iraq before an IED got the truck he was driving, just happened to sit down right behind Mike and recognized us. Excellent movie. It will do more for the current war vets than anything I’ve seen. We needed something like that when we came back. It will actually help our generation too I think because it makes war experiences real as well as how we felt when we came home.
      Charlie and I sat and talked for 2 hours after the movie (at my house). It helped him to have someone he could open up to.
      I was a little concerned about going back in ’94, I went with a Vietnamese friend and her Vietnamese husband. I don’t know if you knew or not but all advisors had a $600.00 or more wanted dead or alive reward on their head. I saw a pamphlet 2 months before I came home that offered more than that for me. I had gone into a mine field to rescue a Viet private who somehow made it about 20 yards into the field before he triggered a “bouncing betty”. When I realized he was still alive I went in after him, pinning 9 and bypassing 11 more. A completely nuts Viet Lt followed me in handing me safety pins, etc until we ran out then marked the cleared path with tea bush limbs. The boy died shortly after I got him out but I couldn’t leave him once I saw he was still alive. Did not mean to go into that but I wanted to tell you why the enemy wanted me so bad-“gaining hearts and minds” stuff. Anyway, I did not know if the reward was still good or not. I ‘d need a whole page to tell you about just going through the airport, it is funny now. They knew who I was when I got off the plane. To shorten this up, I was treated with honor and respect the whole time I was there (3 weeks). I took $1000.00 with me but could have come home with most of it. I didn’t have to buy anything, just making it known that I was hungry, thirsty or tired was all that was needed. The Vietnamese government provided a van to transport us wherever we wanted to go, no restrictions. I kept waiting for the shoe to drop, and my Vn friends were totally confused by the way I was treated, (they had to pay for whatever they wanted except for the van rides). About 5 days into the trip one of the City officials at Can Tho explained it to me. He said that they respected the soldiers that had worked with the ARVN’s and those who were “honorable” enemies but that they despised the war protestors and politicians.
      Sounds like us doesn’t it? Even old enemies have a lot in common. I met some ARVNs and they were still having a hard time of it. I litterly buried the hatchet while I was there. I had made a wooden tomahawk before going over for that purpose IF I felt like it. I ended my war on that trip. I still hate communism but don’t hate my old enemies anymore, actually I pity them. They are a very unhappy people, many living on the edge of starvation, horrible health care and more repressed than you’d think now the war is over for so long. They like Americans and hate the Russians, don’t trust the Chinese.
      By the way, I was told that most of the VC still alive after the war were killed off by the NVA, an old Chinese proverb “Once a traitor, always a traitor”. The VC also had a stupid idea that the North would share power with them after the war.
      Sorry that I let it “all hang out”, but I guess seeing the movie made me want to tell someone about my experiences.
      Take care,

      Chuck

  79. Chuck,
    What you tell me in your latest is very interesting to me; I know what you’re talking about in regard to AO. We were contacted in about 1981 by an organization that tracked use of AO in Nam and those vets who had been in the places it was used. One of the places was FSB Geronimo, in the low hills just outside Hue (imagine you’re familiar with the name if not the place), where I spent part of June/July 1969 as night RTO. They said the Huey was spraying for mosquitoes; maybe so but maybe it was “something else.” At any rate, I had an “impossible” cataract appear on my right eye at age 29–all the eye doctors said it was “impossible” that I could have a cataract . . . My son had a weird bone anomaly, luckily minor, that we often wondered about, and two years ago I was diagnosed with prostate cancer that I’ve been fighting since–my story is happier thus far than those of our mutual friends, in that I’ve had wonderful medical care and the cancer seems to be in remission to the extent that I’ve been given the OK to go off Lupron (Leoprolide)–google it; it’s not lots of fun as far as side effects go, especially fatigue and “hot flashes” (I kid you not).
    Would be glad to hear more of your stories/history.
    Feel just awful about Herm and Jim. As a low-ranking conscript I especially appreciated officers like Jim–he treated me like a person.

    • Alan,
      I understand about side effects of medicine, sometimes they are as bad as the condition they are supposed to be treating. My third son, Matt, died from multiple birth defects related to “A O” and my other two have had some back problems all their life. I got clued down to the VA in Decatur in the late 70’s or early 80’s for tests. As I said, as soon as they realized that I hadn’t been a enlisted man under the grade of E-5 they told me to go home. In the mean time they had handed me a pack of questions, 10 questions or so to the page, 5 or 6 pages thick. They meant for me to fill out the 1st page -name, etc, but the man’s phone rang just as he handed it to me. I was on the 4th page answering some very good questions, when he realized that I was looking at the other questions. He got upset and took them back. I should have kept it because whoever developed the questions knew what to ask. Some of the questions were where was I, did I know what type of spray was used in my area, Orange, Blue, Green, etc., how many times did I get sprayed, did I have any unusual symptoms while in Nam or since I came home. There was a lot more that would have been good evidence for AO claims. I don’t know if this same questioneer (Sp)
      was used for long or not. I got A O update pamphlets for 30 years but was never contacted again about my exposure. They knew about the dangers of AO back in the 50’s right after it was developed in Germany. My understanding is that the German company that developed it sold the patent to an American company. It’s use in Germany was prohibited.
      By the way I went back to VN in 1994. I’ll tell that story some other time.

      Chuck

  80. Wow, thanks Chuck. Sorry to hear about Herm’s medical problem. Very interested in the story of your batboy. And as to being with just one other or no other Team members–I was at FSB Berchtesgaden as our only representative for a couple or three weeks. Capt. Lapolla was down at Currahee all by himself, at least as far as Team 3 went–I radioed him when we were under assault one night and he responded: “Oh my gosh! Don’t do anything silly! Stay safe!” or the equivalent thereof. My reply: “Don’t worry, I won’t!” I was also on my own at Currahee for a good bit of August that year, running resupplies to the officers in the field, one of whom was Major Shillinglaw, and another of whom was Capt. Lapolla at different times.

    • Alan, still haven’t heard back from Jim. He has some trouble with parkinson’s disease. Herm also has bone cancer as well as failing kidneys. Both are related to Agent Orange. Actually in our area they sprayed A O, Agent Blue (40% arsenic), and Agent Green, and who knows what else. The first time I can remember being sprayed was the day we moved up to LZ Miguel. A large AF tanker came over low and wet us like it was a heavy rainstorm. The men on Miguel said that it happened from time to time. I’ve had cancer 3 times, not counting skin cancers, and a couple of other things the Aussies claim AO causes but the VA doesn’t recognize. They’re way ahead of us with more than 50 things classified as being AO related. I signed up with the VA in the late ’70’s or early ’80’s, can’t remember exactly when now, but they dropped me when someone realized that I had been an officer over there. They claimed that only E-‘s and below could participate in the study. ? Maybe because I could relate details of where and when disqualified me. I still have several operation maps from covering from the ocean to the border of Laos, plus an Air Force Escape and Evasion map of both North and South Vietnam that I traded for early on. It’s water proof and folds up fairly small. It was the only “unnecessary” thing I carried in my back pack. Maybe we can swap photos by e-mail sometime. I still haven’t figured out how to post a photo on Facebook yet. Probably have to get one of my younger grandchildren to show me how.
      More later.

  81. @Chuck Thurmond:

    Chuck, you don’t know me–I’m Alan Kalter; I was a PFC/Sp4 RTO with Team 3 in 1969-1970. I was interested in your message because of the mention of two of the Team 3 members with whom I worked in 1969: Major Jim Shillinglaw, with whom I spent time at FSB Airborne until he went to the field sometime in July or August. We were the only two MACV personnel at Airborne at the time. Before I went to the Valley with Major Shillinglaw, I spent part of July at PK17, where Herm Wiggins was in charge; I remember watching the first moonwalk there with Herm on 20 July. Did you know Captain Michael Lapolla? He may have arrived at Team 3 after you left.

    • Alan,

      I’ve left a message with Jim re you and acouple of others that he should remember.. Once he gives me permission I’ll send you his e-mail and try to get him on this site. Herm has dialisis 3 times a week so I won’t call him til this weekend. Hopefully both of them will join this site. I’m not surprised that only the two of you at FSB Airborne, Herm and I were off by ourselves several times with no other As or Aus personel anywhere nearby. I sometimes went out with ARVN companies all by myself when we were short handed. I spoke passable Vietnamese at that time and had my own batboy who usually went with me. Yoi was assigned to me in August sort as a joke because when I first joined the 2nd company for a mission he was confined in a very small barbed wire cage. I took one look at him and asked why he was being held like that and they said he was caught awol from his Vietnamese marine unit. I said jokingly that nobody should be blamed for getting out of the marines. An hour or so he came to me and said that he was to be my batboy. I thought he was kidding but he wasn’t. Turned out he was a good soldier, just home sick-his family lived in Hue. He had been stationed in Da Nang. He served as a cook, body guard and interpeter until I left to go home. At that time “Harry” Hue took him to be his batboy and bodyguard. Yoi was killed during the 1972 offensive. Didn’t mean to run on like that but old memories are flooding back, it feels good to have someone to “talk” to who’s been there and knows the area.
      I didn’t know Cpat. Lapolla.
      Take care,

      Chuck

    • Unfortunately, no. Don’t know if he spelled “rope” right or not, he misspelled Weyand. No more mention of names, the entries skip from 30 Jan to July 21st to July 23. He made no entries from then until giving it to me. Perhaps he had another book or two. I had 3 while with Sub-team 65.

  82. Chuck good to hear from you. Dad was so suprised that you had Tony’s patrol book. It was great to meet you in V.A
    Pat Weyand

  83. I have a photo of a radio operator assigned to Hoc Bao team 3 around mid 68. Not sure on his name I can send it out if someone may be able to identify

  84. Mr. Kirkland, do you recall a man by the last name of Rudde , Rudd, or Rouge. HE would have been there around the time you and dad were about the time of TET. I have a photo of He , Dad and Phil Kane. I tried to blow up the photo to read the name tag and the combination of the three names above is what I came up with. Dad swears that the Guys last name was Rudd. The name tag on the uniform looks like Rouge. Thanks for your time. Patweyand@wi.rr.com

  85. Travis Kirkland. The big blond guy Richard (Dick Weyand). Is my dad. He was looking for a photo of you that he thought he had. He was with team 3. 67-69. With 68-69 with the Hoc Bao. Hope all is well. I have posted most of his photos from that time on the team 3 facebook page maybe you can identify some of them. Merry Christmas everyone

  86. Let me put a few names in the site in hopes of knowing more about them.

    When I was on A-1 and C-4 I think it was (north of Dong Ha) is saw with a SSG Roy Holcomb and Australian WO Merve Cranston.. Also an SFC Green. For a time there was a Marine Captain Jack Wallace I A-1 but the advisor on C-4 was wounded and I moved there. Major Costnatin was the ranking officer in Dong Ha. Nerve Cranston died several years ago in Aaustralia.

    There was a team chief at A-2 whose name I do not recall at the moment.

    I recall a senior NCO I think named Weyand but think the association was short. Big blond guy as I recall but that is very iffy. Sorry I can’t recall more. Will go thru pics when I return from holidays.

    As for me, arrived in VN in late Jan, 68 and went directly to A-1, then C-4 and then back to A-1. April and May was what some of us called Second Tet but have seen called the Battle Of Dong Ha. Was there until sometime in May and went to a battalion training in Phu Bi. Shortly after that went to work for Col Adkission in Hue. Begged out of that job to go with the Hac Bao for the last Parton my tour. BTW, the commander of the Hac Bao was captured in Laos or Cambodia, re-educated and finally came to America with his wife and two daughters.

    I will try to recall other names and put them on the site

  87. Hi Gary, I apologize for being a dinosaur but I do not belong to any social media and I have no idea how to get your email address unless you give it to me. I’ve noticed that no one puts their address out there for anyone to see. Is that a problem?

    Likewise, I want to find a way to reach Joel Weisberg – offline- so that we might discuss lunch with Frank White. We’ll travel to central PA. Frank sends his best.

    • Lunch with you and Frank would be great. I am at my son’s law firm most days. You can reach me there. Our number is 717-238-5707.

    • My phone number is 740-835-1925. Give me a call when you get the opportunity. My son, Ryan Roberts, lives in Harrisburg. If you guys get together perhaps I could join you and work in a visit with my son.

    • Hello Angelo. Please e-mail me. I was at MACV at about the same time, I worked with Captain Weisberg and Captain White in G-2. I am on facebook also.

  88. Angelo, dad remembers Kirkland from his time with the battalion. don’t think they were close but he remembers him. He is looking for a photo.

  89. Hey Joel, sure has been too long. See Frank once a year to break bread but speak with him more often. Don’t know if you are still in the Harrisburg area because we get to Carlisle quite often. Let’s meet. Happy Holidays. Remember that picture I gave to you?

    • I am in Mount Joy between Harrisburg and Lancaster. Do let me know when you are in the area and say hi to Frank for me.

    • Thanks for the response. There was also a USMC Doug Perry. Don’t think he was with team 3 though. The Facebook page for Team 3 is starting to evolve, check it out. Thanks again

  90. Just found the site. My name is Angelo Romeo and I was the Deputy Compound Commander under Majors Webb, Williams, and Perry from June 68 – May 69. Also ran the Clubs. Have been in recent contact with Steve Mettler, Travis Kirkland, and Frank White. Saw Joel Weisberg years ago. Retired from civilian life after serving as Director of Veterans Affairs for Gloucester County, NJ, and a stint as Director of Veterans Pensions and Benefits for the State of New Jersey. Welcome Home to All.

    • Hi Angelo. Been too long. I tried to find a few of you folks recently and had no luck. Last I remember Frank White was working for AMTRAK. That was many years ago. Anyone know anything about my old roommate Frank LaNasa?

  91. Jack look for me on faceboom patrick weyand Or gary. The page that gary has is hard to find I think it has to do with his settings.

    You must have came to the team after my father left. Dad left in 69. He and merv were close . I will ask him tomorrow about the ither mans name. He may not know it since I think I know most if the names of the american Hoc Bao dad wad with. Hope this helps find the page

  92. My Grandfather was part of ADV team 3 and was a casualty in 1966, CPT David Devers. Looking for anyone that may have know anything about him. — SFC Williams

  93. The team 3 facebook page seemed difficult. To find. Easiest way for anyone to get onto the page is to send someone who is a member a message a friend request and then they should be able to add you. I think the page may have originally been set up as a private page. So send gary roberts or I a friend request / or anyone else that you know is a member of the page and they should be able to add you.

  94. For those. Of you on the Team 3 site. In conversing with others that served on team 3 durring Tet. Some members were unaware that the unit had been awarded the Presidential Unit Citation. Just doing research on the units my dad served on. And trying to understand more.
    Take care
    Pat Weyand

  95. Greetings. I am an active-duty Army chaplain who is doing some research on Chaplain (Major) Aloysius McGonigal. He was at the MACV compound during the Hue City battle. He went forward with the Marines to provided ministry and was KIA on 17 February 1968. Does anyone have any personal memories of Chaplain McGonigal at Hue? (I already have info from internet links such as virtualwall.org, vvmf.org, etc.) Thanks! Chaplain (Major) Philip Kramer

    • Major McGonigal spent a week with our team at Phong Dien in January 1968 before he returned to Hue, days before the Tet Offensive. He celebrated Mass for us before he left. I remember that he wore a 9th Infantry Division patch. I have a couple of anecdotes about him if you want to send contact information.

      H.G. Reza
      RTO, Phong Dien 67-68

    • Chaplain Kramer, I was the Sr Medic for the MACV Compound In Hue and defi9nitely knew Father McGonigal. I live right outside FDt Bragg and would be happy to hear from you

  96. Does anyone know if team 3 ever received. The valorous. Unit award? I believe they were awarded the presidential unit award. Not sure about Valorous??? Anyone. Know the answer? Thanks

  97. Hey Phil, my name is Rob Ritchie and I was with Tm3 from Aug 68 to 69 as the Sr Advisor to 3/54 inf. Harvey Zimmerle (sr adv to 2/3) and I flew into the Hue citadel air strip in an Otter, exiting the aircraft rather quickly as Harv had a bullet hole in his brief case. I’m pretty sure that our paths did not cross; however, you may remember Harvey. rpritchie@earthlink.net. cell: 713.818.0408.

    • I may have crossed paths with Zimmerle around that time although I really don’t remember for sure. Shortly after the bridge was blown, my team was called across the river by boat for a “de-brief”; once we got there, we were put on perimeter defense of the MACV compound. We were there for a few days and then flew by Huey over to the Div HQ where we rejoined our battalion. After TET, we went back to PK 17 and into the Ashau Valley with the 101st (Lam Son 224 I think). Anyway, it was interesting times!

  98. I just stumbled onto this site. My name is Philip Kane, I was a CPT and Sr Advisor of 3rd Bn, 3rd Regt, 1st ARVN Div from Nov 67 to mid-68 when I became staff advisor to the regiment. During the TET offensive, my team consisted of Tony Egan, an Australian WO, SSG Roupe, Army and a Marine Gunny whose name I don’t recall. Our regimental HQ was at PK-17, north of Hue. I visited there in 2008 and it is now a cement factory. At the beginning of TET, we were outside of Hue at a training facility and moved into the city linking up with the Marines briefly at the bridge. Anyway, I’m going to try to find your Facebook page. Interesting to see some recollections of those days.

    • Mr Kane, the Marine Gunny, I believe was my dad Richard Weyand. Patweyand@wi.rr.co think I may have a few photos of you. Please e-mail me Pat Weyand

      Sent from my iPhone Please forgive any typo’s. As this message was sent via a cellular telephone. Patrick Weyand. 262-939-9955

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    • Yes i have a photo of you dad and rogue. And tony.

      Sent from my iPhone Please forgive any typo’s. As this message was sent via a cellular telephone. Patrick Weyand. 262-939-9955

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    • Phil, I don’t guess you will remember me, I was a 1st Lt when I transferred to 1/3/1 in mid Aug, ’68. I remember your name and I think that I knew you briefly. I noticed Lt Fran Delaney, Tony Egan, I went out with him on 1 mission before he rotated out. I still have his last patrol book-he handed it to me and “Here Mate, I won’t be needing this anymore”. He died several years back and I have his wife’s address, if I can find it in all my junk. Tran “Harry” Hue and I are in irregular contact. A book was written about him 7 or 8 years ago.
      I’m in constant contact with Major Jim Shillinglaw and SSgt ( now Gunny Sgt, Ret) Herman Wiggins. I’d like to swap messages with members of Team 3, especially members of Sub-Team 65 who were at PK -17. I don’t know why I never thought to look up Mac-V before, maybe it’s because I’m getting along in years. Any way, looking forward to your reply,
      Chuck

  99. This is Tom Pilsch, mentioned in Joel Weisberg’s earlier comments. Thanks, Joel, for getting in contact and petting me in contact.

    I was an Air Force FAC, callsign Trail 32, attached to Team 3 from May 68 to April 69. I have been in contact with some of the other Air Force team members over the years: Steve Mettler, Bob DuBois and with two of my predecessors as Trail 32, Jim Lang and Tom Eigel who passed away a few years ago.

    Joel found me from my Web site on the air war in Vietnam,

    Some of you might be interested on the page on Hué and particularly the one on the MAC-V compound:

    I have been looking for a good site on Team 3 over the years, and now that we are in contact, I maybe able, with your help to put something together.

    I lecture on the history of technology and war, and over the years have built a site on Vietnam resources. Some of you may have come across it:

    It started for my own use – never could find sites I had remember seeing – but over the years “it just growed!” Keeping up with the changed and dead links is an endless job, so be patient. I hope you enjoy it.

    I look forward to being in contact, and to all of you, “Welcome Home!”

    • hello tom,

      i was a patrol leader with 3rd recon usmc. we made a patrol into the southern ashau in early aug (1-3) ’67 in advance of what was to be a usmc/hoc bao raid (operation cloud). the raid was cancelled and cloud never happened.

      my patrol was in heavy contact for a day and a half before we got extracted…lost 4 on the extract when ch-46 was hit in the zone.

      i was in comms off and on with an a.f. o1 or o2e and met the pilot briefly several weeks after the extract.

      any idea who this might have been? could have been covey….but i don’t recall the call signs.

      bill

      bill.mcbride@gmail.com

  100. Unfortunately, I have lost track of everyone until today. I was looking around on line and found you and one of our Air Force guys, Captain Tom Pilsch. I will post that picture on Facebook as soon as I end this comment, if I can. Not sure how to post it here.

  101. I was beginning to think I would never locate any of our group. It is good to hear from you. It would be great if you could post the picture. Have you ever heard from Captain White, Major Click, Lieutenant Pressley, or any of our other fellow Team 3 members?

  102. I am trying to revise my AT-3 list by Advisors in their particular districts. Was Hue referred to as being a district or was Hue in a district ?

  103. Hi Mike, glad to see you here. Were you able to find the facebook page. Put some photos up on it. Hope you are well.
    Pat

  104. Francis M. Delaney here (aka Fran, Mike). I was senior advisor to the Black Panthers (Hoc Bao) in early 1969, along with Gunny Richard Weyand and Aussie Merv Bolitho – two great guys. I extended 1 year after returning to The World, made captain, then became a civilian.

    Is anybody in contact with Bill Garrison? He was my closest service buddy and hooch-mate at HUE MACV compound, was aide to Col Heistand (sp?). Bill was the commanding (2-star) general in Somalia (Blackhawk Down). Contact me via fmiked@msn.com.

    • hello francis.it is mervs son jeff here.dad spoke highly of you and dick weyand.you guys were all awesome .i hope you are well and happy as you know dad passed at 20 10 2013.it is still hard but life goes on.

      • Hi Jeff, my name is Rob Ritchie and I was Sr Advisor to the 3/54 In (1968-1969). we worked with the Hoc Bao from time to time. My Aussie WO was Sid Colley. He was a real stud and my mentor in the ways of the jungle and the oriental culture. He was 46 at the time, so he would be up in years now. I am wondering if anybody knows of or remembers him at your gatherings.

    • Fran,
      Is this the Francis Delaney that was at PK-17 until Jan of ’69? If so I have a photo or two of you, Charlie Brown, Hank Fredericks, I talked to him 8-10 yrs ago and some others. Col. Bud Fair died several yrs back, we were in frequent contact right up to the end. I’m in in-frequent contact with Tran “Harry” Hue, there’s been a good book written about him. Almost all of the Vietnamese officers we knew were were killed by 1975. I went to OCS with Bill G., and I last saw Dick Weyand about 7 years or so ago.
      If you know anything about the other team members I’d love to hear from them.
      Chuck

  105. MAJ Rex L. Frazer was an advisor at the Thua Thien Sector HQ prior to and during the Tet Offensive. Rex was injured at his post and was evacuated to a hospital in Japan and then to one in Colorado. He subsequently recovered and resumed his career, serving a second tour in Vietnam prior to his retirement to the Leavenworth, KS community. Rex suffered a prolonged illness with Parkinson’s Disease before succombing on 5/25 of this year. He is buried in the National Cemetery in Leavenworth.

    • Maj. Frazer was my team leader at Phong Dien in late 1967. If memory serves me well, he replaced Cpt. Jim Kofalt, who was medevaced, and Frazer was replaced by Cpt. Nick Goersch, who was at Phong Dien when I rotated home in May 1968. Maj. Frazer was a good officer and decent man. Here’s an example of the good person he was. We were standing in the pay line at the Hue Compound. Officers and enlisted stood in the same line, and officers seldom bucked the line by pulling rank. Our team was in the middle of the line and a very young looking major wearing brand new jungle fatigues and unscuffed jungle boots casually strolled to the front of the line. I remember the guy had red hair. Frazer said out loud, “Who does that young ass major think he is. He gives the officer corps a bad name.” I’m sorry to learn of his passing. My friend, Walt Meeley, a RTO wounded on the Street Without Joy on Dec. 18, 1967, also died from Parkinson’s on Memorial Day 2001.

      H.G. Reza
      RTO, Phong Dien 67-68

  106. Looking for anyone who served with my Uncle Warren Lynn “Doc” Wozencraft. He was KIA on Dong Ha Mountain in May, 1970. According to his virtual wall he was with Team 3, HQ, MACV Advisers.

    • I was with MACV Team 3 from May 19, 1969, to June 15, 1970. I met Capt. Wozencraft at 1st ARVN headquarters in the Hue Citadel in 1970. Didn’t really know him, was told that he went up to the environs of FSB Henderson, where he was killed by a sniper.
      Capt. Wozencraft seemed like a fairly quiet man; his reputation was that he was “a pretty good guy.” This was in days when we designated between “lifers” and “career men”; the latter being a compliment, the former quite the opposite. Capt. Wozencraft was one of the latter in G.I. parlance.
      I was in Japan on R&R in late April-early May of 1970; our AO was pretty quiet when I left, but on my return things had heated up at Henderson; in fact I returned to Da Nang with the replacement for one of our personnel, the top advisor of the 1st of the 7th Cav, a Major Williams, who was killed in a mortar attack at Henderson.

  107. I have made up a list of former AT-3 personnell. If any former AT-3 (or relatives) would like the list email me. I am always looking for more names to add to the list. Sincerily Doug Wilson , Eagle Dust-Off 1970-71 junglecruiser335@gmail.com

    • I was attached to MACV Tm 3 from March 66 into May 67, discharged at Ft Lewis, ran the APO and did whatever else the team asked of me, would like to talk to anyone I worked with or anyone who remembers me. I worked with Tom Lundon,Ron Rex and Richard Miller. I met a lot of great men and officers but with 47 years having past, the names are forgotten.

    • Doug,
      I’d like to have a copy of that list. I transferred to PK-17 in Aug ’68 and left the last of April ’69. I was a1st Lt and worked mostly with 1st Bat, companies 1 and 2, sometimes with 3rd co.
      Chuck

  108. Yes , it is on facebook. I’m not sure why its not showing up. Go to my facebook page and look under groups. Let me know if you find it.

  109. I started a group called Military Assistance Command Vietnam (MACV) Team 3. So far I am the only member. It would be a good place to post your pictures. Did either of you know Fred Thompson, the MARS operator at MACV compound. Also, Larry J. Anderson was the company clerk. My interpreter was Chung The An. Al Conn was a marine assigned to MACV.

    Officers I remember were Major Click, Captain Weisberg, Captain White, and Lieutenant Pressley. All were assigned to 1st ARVN Division Headquarters.

    There was an interrogator there whose name was Homer Buck from Oklahoma. He was 6′ 6″ tall with wide shoulders. I’m sure he intimidated the prisoners. I have no idea where he is now.

    Once I was sent to Firebase Barnett in the A-shau Valley, I lost all contact with the MACV compound.

    • Just read your note about MACV Team 3 in Hue. I am the Captain Weisberg you remember.
      I have been doing a little research this afternoon and also found a web site set up by one of our Air Force people, Captain Pilsch. I am going to look for your group on Facebook. Hopefully more will join. My personal email is yussw@aol.com

    • Gary I just found a picture of you sitting at the compound with Larry Craven, John Loughan, Tom Boise and Tom Kinoshita. I took the picture. Captain Joel Weisberg

  110. Gentlemen…seeing your posts certainly do bring back memories. As I said in an earlier post, I was the Sr Advisor to the 3/54 (68-69) and visited the compound regularly to get cleaned up and partake of the free flowing bar and real food in the mess hall.

  111. My name is Rudy Kranz Army SP 4,Hue, Advisory Team 3, Dec. 1966 to Dec.1967. Attached with ARVN 1st Inf. Div. Hoc Boa. radio operator. Hue main compound was about 60 percent officers and our front gate guards where marines along with marine MP’s. I still
    keep in touch with my Marine friends.

    • Hi Rudy. My name is Nelson Rodriguez, Army Spec 4,Hue Advisory Team 3, August 67 to Aug 1968. I also was attached to ARVN 1st Inf. Div. Use to go out with different units until my last six months that I was assigned to the village of Nam Hoa. I also knew some of the marines at the gate specially Vazquez and Milian. If you know their whereabouts let me know. I was also a radio operarator.

        • I was with 3rd ARVN Reg at PK 17 from March ’68 to October…..RTO under Major Morales, Major Kane, and lastly a Lt. Col.
          Tom Carty Sgt. E5 MACV

    • my name is Mark Schofield. I was a RTO at Houng Thue from May 67 to Dec 67 then I was at the macv compound working as a RTO at the Net Control station outside the compound. On 31 JAN 68 I was outside the compound at the NCS location when rockets hit our location. the OIC and I came back to the MACV compound thru the streets of Hue. With Gods protection we made it back to the compound, both of us wounded.Frank Doezma and I shared the NCS job on the night shift. I was on duty that night, Frank was off, I remember Rudy Kranz and some other names but my memory isn’t my strong suit. If anyone can help me I would be thankful Schofield S

      • Rudy, I have a photo of one of the HocBao radio operators. I do not know if it is from 67 or 68 I would be happy to send it to you if by chance it is you or maybe someone you may know

  112. Served as supply sergeant with SFC Johnson from Dec 66 to Nov 67 in Hue MACV compound. Remember Capt Hanson as compound commander and Col Kelly as Team3 commander, Other names remembered were SSG Rakebrand , hq admin, Spec Sonntag, hq mess, SFC Generazio, hq mess and club, SGT Preble, Spec Huerrera, hq, cpl Delgado, and many faces I cannot put a name with. I left a SSG on a 90 day early out separation at Oakland Army Terminal.

  113. Hi Gary…did you ever come across Harvey Zimmerle USMC?. He was the senior advisor to 2/3. I was the senior advisor to 3/54. He and I flew into the Hue citadel air strip together. There were still snipers in the area. He took a bullet in his brief case as we exited the aircraft. That was our welcome party.

  114. Team 3 Aug 68-Aug 69. 3rd BN/54 INF. My best recollections of the compound were having Garfield (the goose) nip my butt when I was in from the field and getting to meet the Trail FACs who did such a great job of supporting us in the field. Trail 33 during a lot of my tour was Will Hall. I sure would like to see him again.

    • Hello Rob, You and I arrived at the same time in August 68. During my first tour I was in G-2 working at the 1st ARVN Infantry Division Hqs in Hue. Later I was in the A-Shau as a light weapons infantry advisor. I came to really appreciate the Trail Facs although I am still removing the rocks and debris from their assistance. I stayed until July, 1970 when I left on emergency leave. While in Hue I had my own Honda and had several unpleasant encounters with the MPs. Off limits meant nothing to me. I knew the streets and back alleys better than they did. Sampan Alley was my favorite place to go. No other explanation is necessary.

    • Rob:

      You answered one of my questions, about the MACV Goose. Never knew he had a name except “that damned goose.” I remember he had a stange affection for boot lkaces. If they were not tucked in, he thought they were worms and try to eat them right off your leg.

  115. Hi Gary, Very interesting when I was was working at the 1st ARVN compound I lived at one of the hootches at the MACV compound . I spent some time at FB Geronimo on the outskirts of Hue and FB Tiger Mountain and Pistol Pete in the A Shau. 3rd arvn reg. While at Pistol Pete a typhoon hit and blew my poncho into Laos. Also while there the ARVNs threw grenades into into the river and we ate fish that night. No fish eyeballs for me, I let ARVNs have them. I wish I could remember the names of people I was with but it was a long time ago. Welcome home!!

    • Military Assistance Command Vietnam (MACV) Team 3 is the Facebook group I tried to start. It would be nice to get some Team 3 members involved. I also lived on the MACV Compound during my first tour. I was in the last hooch nearest the fence.

    • Wayne, you probably won’t remember me–the FNG who showed up somewhat before you left. I lived at the compound; spent my “field” time at Geronimo, Airborne, Berchtesgaden, Currahee, and Rendezvous; you had left before the nine months I worked at Division HQ in the Hue Citadel. Once forwarded a letter from a young lady in the compound to you; seem to remember handling the return letter from you to her.
      Lt.Col. Wightman, said great things about your abilities as RTO.
      I’m PFC/Spec 4 Alan Kalter, RTO with MACV Team 3. Remember Majors Arnold and Shillinglaw? Couple of squared-away guys.

      • Alan,
        Jim lives in Pebble Beach, Ca now. I just talked to him this last weekend and get regular e-mails from him. If you want his e-mail address, etc drop me a line. I always get permission to give out personal info before doing so.
        Chuck (1st Lt.)

    • Wayne:

      Some of the other names you might recognize: Mo (Morrison), Frenchy (Dennis Fortier), Bob Forgione, Gary Starzecki, Danny Tannenbaum, Snider, Roger Aaron . . . that’s what I was able to come up with.

      ALK

    • Pat Weyand- Thanks for the information on Merv. He was a good guy. He and I had some moments out in the Ashau Valley with the Black Panthers in 1969-1970 We were the advisor team at the time; just us two and the amazing men of the Hoc Bao. We did have a RTO (A Spec4) on many of those valley trips whose name, I can’t for the life of me, recall. We also had an FO from the 101st on a lot of trips out of Hue. with the first name “Patrick”. Years have robbed me of his last name. Do know he passed away. Again, thank you for the kindness of the Merv information.

      • hello jack.it is mervs son jeff here.dad spoke sometimes of his encounters in the ashau valley. on one he said he was trying to sleep and the enemy fired a rocket which landed in a hill near him. luck was with him as it did not go off.i hope you are well and happy. all you guys are awesome.i have been going to monthley lunch an beer meetings at THE HOUSE with dads unit the AATTV.they are a great bunch of guys and there very special wives and widows.by for now.jeff

    • Hello Wayne. We must have crossed paths somewhere. I arrived in Hue in August, 1968 and worked at the First ARVN Division Headquarters in the citadel as an intelligence analyst during my first tour. I resided at the MACV Compound in Hue. Did you know Fred Thompson who was the MARS operator there? Later I was later sent to the A-Shau Valley as a light weapons infantry advisor for the First ARVN Division. I was with the First Regiment operating around FB Barnett, O’Reilly, and Jerome. I have heard from very few Team #3 members and there seems to be very little info on the web. Are you a member of the MACV Facebook group? I started a Team #3 group but nobody has responded.

      • Are you Sgt. Roberts, by any chance? I was at the Citadel as an RTO from Sept. 1969 to June, 1970; did my OJT in May 1969, so you’d probably still have been there.

        Alan Kalter, PFC/Spec.4, MACV Team 3

    • did you know of an AF SSgt Patrick Williams who was a Radio Operator as well. He was killed in 28 Aug 1965, propeller accident..Email me at ladyglide00@verizon.net
      Just trying to find out if any Radio Operators may have known him.
      Thanks

  116. Hi

    I am looking for anyone that served in MACV T 3 in the citadel,Hue from 1964-66,looking for an Simon. We had an pics of him

    Sincerely
    Brian

  117. Mr. Easterwood’s comments were of particular interest. I was at the MACV Compound in Hue beginning in August, 1968. During my first tour I worked in G-2 at the 1st ARVN Infantry Division Headquarters. Major Click, Captain White, and Lieutenant Pressly were in my area. In my second and third tours I became a Light Weapons Infantry Advisor for the 1st ARVN Infantry Division operating out of Firebase Barnett in the A-shau Valley. We were out for ten days and back to the FB for five days. I was the only American on the patrols but an Austrailian Warrant Officer also accompanied us. Captain Rock was in charge. I departed on July 9th, 1970 on emergency leave. There was a 101st Artillery Battery on the FB. I have seen very little information about Team 3 or Firebase Barnett on the web. Hopefully, others will post here as well.

  118. My name is Jack Easterwood and I was assigned to the MACV Team 3 in Hue during parts of 1969 and 1970 I was the American Advisor, along with an Australian Warrant Officer (Merv Bolitho), to the Black Panther (Hoc Bao) Company of the 1st ARVN div. We lived in the Dozier Compound south of the Perfume River in the New City part of Hue. We, Merv and I, and the Hoc Bao Company spent a lot of time on Operations in the Ashau Valley and along the border with Laos. On occasion, we made side trips up to 6 Kilometers into Laos. We would normally spend two to three weeks in the bush and come back to Hue for a week and then go out again. I had a room in the old French Hotel part of the Compound and Merv stayed with the other Aussies in the Hooches alongside the rear fence. We were almost always attached to the 101st Airborne on these operations as the recon company. The Hoc Bao were highly trained in Air assault and were the saviors of Hue during the 68 Tet offensive They had saved the Citadel, where the 1st ARVN Div was HeadQuartered from being over ran by the attacking NVA. Fierce fighters and jungle warfare experts, I felt protected and safe with them even when Merv was gone on R&R and I was the sole Advisor with them. We were in all the major operations that the 101st engaged in (Including the battle of Hamburger Hill).during my tour. Near the end of my tour I was bought back to the 1st Div HQ and worked for a Major Blackwell who was the G-2, G-3 Advisor and an excellent officer. Because we spent so little time at the MACV compound, I can recall few of the other Advisors. One man I do remember was a LTC Smith, USAF, who was the man in charge of the FACS for the Team. He and I got to know each other while he was watching out for us during many enemy contacts in the valley. Since we are both retired and too old to go to jail, I’ll also admit he allowed me me to.zig zag all over the valley in an 02 Bird Dog plane while he was hanging out his widow looking for the NVA in the valley. As an SFC E-7, I think I was the first NCO to hold the position of Advisor to the Hoc Bao. I do know that a Marine Captain had been there before me and was literally worshiped by the member of the Hoc Bao company. I retired from the Army after 20 years as a First Sergeant in 1882. Glad I found this site.

    • Dont you just love the French Hotel in the compound??? I was there in 1970 as the Team 3 Adjutant in the Citadel…I hear there are traffic lights outside the hotel now, and the carton of Salems is NOT $1.00

      George Donatello
      CPT US ARMY Retired

    • Mr. Easterwood, sorry if this posted twice I was doing it form my Telephone. Merv Bolitho Passed away last month.
      This form the Australian Army Training Team Facebook Page (John Nolan Member)

      It is with deep regret that we notify you of the Death of ex WO2 Mervyn Richard Bolitho,MID. ex SAR ex AATTV at approximately 1900hrs Friday 20th December 2013 in St John of God Hospital Murdoch WA.
      Merve passed away last night in the presence of his two children Jeffery and Debbie
      May He Rest In Peace

    • Harry is living in Falls Church, VA. He and Jim Coolican will be working with the Australian TV about Vietnam and their experience. Retired LTG Joe Bolt provided the picture for the book Vietnam’s Forgotten Army cover. Harry was in Portland OR visiting me in September ’14 after he visited former officers in Seattle. I will be staying with him next month.

  119. Sir Merv Bolitho is still alive, I believe in a sort of assisted living place in AU. If you do t have his contact info and would want it please feel free to email me patweyand@wi.rr.com. My dad Richard Weyand USMC. Think a First Sgt at that time was with Merv , Fran Delaney, and at that time Army Col Joe Bolt. And Harry Tran Hue. You guys did a lot. Dad rotated out in late 69

  120. @Hunter….I am sorry to say that I did not know Cpt. Lehman. I arrived in country on May 20, 1967 and don’t have a lot of information about anything that happened before then.

    • Thank you for your response and thank you for your service. As an aside, I have also enjoyed reading your columns from the LA Times as I dig deeper into MACV and Advisory Team 3.

    • Try the National Archives in Suitland, Md. The process may be different today, but in 2004 one had to register at the National Archives building in Washington and a shuttle would take you to Maryland and bring you back. The person responsible for the MACV records then was very helpful.
      H.G. Reza, RTO Phong Dien, 67-68

      • Thank you, H.G. I’ve submitted the request to the National Archives, am planning my trip to the archive buildings. I look forward to learning more. Do you have any insights into Team 3 members and actions in 1966 and up to March 1967? As I mentioned on a previous post, I am trying to understand the environment given a family connection.

  121. Kirkland, Was he a Major. I think I have a photo of him or dad had talked about him. Thanks for the info, and for serving.

  122. Mr. Reza ok, just talked to dad and I understand a little more. Sometimes he forgets, or assumes that I fully understand the dynamics of how things were set up. He was with team 3 from 1967-1969. However, from 67-68 he was assigned to the battalion. from 1968-1969 roughly he was with Hac Bao. This is where I misunderstood . Dad explained that Team 3 encompassed many different units. I always assumed the entire time was with Hac Bao because I knew he had told me that he was at the time the only marine assigned to the Hac Bao unit he was with, so I assumed that meant team 3 but it was actually a part of team 3.

    He gets worked up with me sometimes, not about talking about the war, but again he assumes that I know the dynamics of how the units were set up, which I really don’t.

    He did not recognize you name, but did remember hearing of the Australian you spoke of.

    He worked with and replaced Jim Coolican as the marine advisor to Hac Bao. When he was with Hac Bao, he was with Tran Ngoc Hue (Harry Hue) who was at that time was a Captain. Joe Bolt who was also a Army Captain at that time later retired 3 star. Mike (Fran Delaney) and a few others. Including Australian Merv Bolitho. I do have some photos from that time and of him. I can send some if you would like.

    He was on leave back here in Wisconsin when Tet Broke out. When he returned he united with his unit and helped to fight and take back the imperial city of Hue. I have some good photos of the perfume river and the bridges that were taken out. Hope this helps answer what he did and who he was with. Thanks for your time and service. Pat Weyand Patweyand@wi.rr.com

    • There were several components that made up Team 3. Units of 3 to 5 advisers made up individual teams. Some teams served with the ARVN (regular Army), while others served with the PF and RF, which were militia units that were usually indigenous to the areas where they fought. My 6-man team served with the PF. The teams serving with the ARVN were usually assigned to the 1st ARVN Inf. Div. across the river, at Hue Citadel. The teams that served with the PF (Popular Forces) and RF (Regional Forces) answered to Thua Thien Sector Hqs., whose offices were across the street from the Hue MACV compound. In addition, there were teams assigned to the ARVN Airborne units that were separate from the 1st ARVN Inf. Division as well as armored units that supported the 1st ARVN Inf. Div. The Hoc Bao (Black Panther) were part of the 1st ARVN Inf. Div.

      Some teams like mine at Phong Dien and the teams at Quang Dien and Phu Loc lived in the camps and fought with the PF troops we advised. There was also a team that lived at PK 17 with the ARVN unit they advised. Our team at Phong Dien did occasional joint operations with the teams at Quang Dien and PK 17 but other than that we had no contact with the other teams. But when we would drive to Hue to get paid, occasionally you would hear a voice in the mess hall or compound that you recognized from radio traffic. You would know the man’s call sign but not his name. You would introduce yourself by your call sign, not your name.

      So, if it was possible to have a reunion of Team 3 members who served in 1967 and 1968 more than likely one wouldn’t know anybody outside of the teams they served with. I knew Walt Meeley, the RTO at Phu Thu, because we shipped to VN together from Ft. Bliss. And I knew Frank Doezema because he was the RTO at Quang Dien for a while and my hooch mate at the MACV compound when I worked with the 922nd RF Co, before being assigned to Phong Dien. And I knew SPC 5 Tessler, a medic who saved Walt’s life when he was badly wounded on the Street Without Joy. Tessler, Walt and Maj. Meyers were on an operation with an RF company. Maj. Meyers was also wounded. Tessler was awarded a Silver Star. I also knew another medic named Kirkland, who had previously been assigned to Phong Dien. It was Kirkland who told me in mid March 1968 at the MACV Compound that “your buddy Doezema was killed on Jan. 30.” Aside from the men who served on my team, these and a few others are the only ones I remember.

      H.G. Reza, RTO Phong Dien 67-68

      • Did you know Capt. Nelson (Nels) Lehman? Served under Badcoe, ’66-’67? I’m trying to get a better understanding for my family. Pictures, stories, hear-say? The aerogrammes are a great start.

    • steve malamud i think i was on operations with your dad ,with the hoc bau, if i am not mistaken he was in khe san as a regylqar marine officer before comming to hue

  123. Maj. Peter Badcoe was the senior Australian adviser in Team 3 until he was KIA in April 1967. He was awarded the Victoria Cross posthumously. His RTO was U.S. Army Sgt. Alberto Alvarado from Texas, who mentored me when I arrived in Hue in May 1967. Alvarado was wounded at least once, possibly twice, while serving with Badcoe, and he was awarded a Silver Star in the action where Badcoe was killed. When I met Alvarado he was on his third tour and had a Vietnamese girlfriend in Saigon. I ran into him again in Sept. 2001. He married his girlfriend, and they were living near Escondido, Ca., where they grew vegetables and fruits they sold to Vietnamese merchants in Little Saigon in Westminster and Garden Grove, Ca. At the link below (you’ll probably have to copy and paste) you’ll find “aerogrammes” that Badcoe sent to his family from Vietnam. They detail battles and overrun camps where advisers were KIA. They also give you a picture of what serving in Team 3’s TAOR was like in 1967 and 1968. Alvarado is mentioned in aerogrammes dated March 12, 15, and 26. Badcoe spells his name “Alverado.” Aussie Maj. Casey filled Badcoe’s billet….SSG Cornelius Johnson, a medic, and I pulled two operations with Casey and the 922nd RF Co. in the Phu Loc area before we were assigned to Phong Dien Subsector at the northern end of Thua Thien Province. The aerogrammes can be found at http://archives.samuseum.sa.gov.au/sama1129/SAMA%201129-1.htm
    H.G. Reza, RTO 67-68

  124. I served with MACV Team 3 for a year from 1971-1972.
    We advised the 1st ARVN INF DIV.
    The MACV compound was not called this, it had been renamed the Frank Doezema Compound in honor of SP4 Doezema’s tragic death there during TET 68.
    We convoyed down the Perfume River to the Hue Citadel daily, it was still a mess from TET 68, the basement is primarily where we worked although it stayed flooded all the time.
    Many don’t realize and you should also (correct or add), Advisory Tm 3 moved to Camp Eagle with the 1st ARVN Division (early 1972), after the 101st Div & 1 CAV stood down and turned the base over to the 1st ARVN INF DIV.
    We maintained 60-80 regular Army MACV Tm 3 members located near the front Camp Eagle gate.
    During the Easter Offensive of 1972, the only other MACV unit between us and the DMZ was overrun (Quang Tri), making us the nearest to the DMZ after they got evacuated. We had many close in B52 air strikes, got mortared and harassed regularly, and as the war was coming to a close, we were getting “No replacements”. Not much sleep time life goes on. I stayed at Camp Eagle until November of 72, and would guess we had less than 20 MACV Team 3 members left.
    You may want to add Camp Eagle with Hue & Thua Thien as where MACV Team 3 served, even though Thua Thien Providence ‘basically covers’, the area.
    We were the last american soldiers holding any ground in that region, since moving from the Compound in Hue mid-late January 1972.

    • My name is Gary Ribovic I was a Specialist 4th Class who was stationed at Camp Eagles Main Gate from the end of July 1972 until October 22nd 1972 with the 1st Regiment Assistance Command MACV 1st ARVN DIV.

      • I also was at Hue/Camp Eagle from Sept 71 – Aug 72. If I remember right you were SFC also the CO was Col. Dickerson, First SGT Decker, Maj. Schooler. I would really like to hear back from you. I remember very little once we moved to Camp Eagle. Looking forward to hear back from you. Sincerly, Tom Coleman

      • (**Re-post** — I replied in wrong place — sorry)
        I missed both of your post. I have been offline for quite so time. I’m sure I knew you Gary as I worked at TOC off of the compound, and went through the gate daily. I recall your name Tom, you were Lt or Cpt Coleman I think, seems like you were in TOC also. Yes 1st Sgt Decker was there the whole time is was, the CO was Col Dickerson, and at one time Col Muller (or Mueller). My immediate CO’s were CW4 Clark & Maj Shaffer, our NCOIC was SSG Ashley. I remember the Mess Sgt was SFC Tyson, and the Supply Sgt was Sgt Dasher. Had an Lt Pappas that worked near me in TOC. I can’t recall many enlisted names like myself because we almost all had nicknames like Spider, Red, Countryboy, etc. Glad you both found this site. I came to Hue Dec 71, moved to Camp Eagle with Team 3, and stayed until Nov 72. Take Care ALL !

      • Steve, I was the mail-clerk along with Sgt Tyrone. I was a Spec4. Doing the spring offense several of us qualified with the M-79 LAW’s. We made up a patch with the bird “Woodstock” from the comic “Peanut” holding a LAW. I remember very little after the beginning of the spring offense. I do remember Route 1 being flooded with the score of retreving ARVN’s. I was also assigned with the M-60 . Hope to hear back from you or Gary.

      • Hey Tom, Yeah I’m sure I remember your name now, I was an E4 also. Since you were at the Doezema compound and the times you were there I’m positive we was in the same circles. Did you remember any of the names I posted earlier? When we moved to Camp Eagle I had said it was end of Jan 72, but was more like early March. I was 18 when I got there, had orders for Quang Tri, but luckily when they picked me up at Phu Bai airfield they needed more Signal guys I was 05C radio operator & 72B Tele Comm Ctr Operator so Team 3 amended orders & kept me. The Easter offensive was full of ARVNs fleeing from Quang Tri, they sure (over) packed whatever they were riding in/on. I was pretty close to 1st SGT Decker, you know his & the COs secretary was Mia, also they were (together), Mia was close friends with a gal in the mess hall I saw whenever possible named Hoa, so TOP & I were good friends. Did you know SP4 Greg Hanson, SP5 Mike Poole, SP4 Jeff Borg? I bet you knew PFC Finch, a tall redheaded guy, I rode with him to Phu Bai to pick up mail some. When we saw the Bob Hope show at the Eagle Bowl, who knew we would be living there in a couple of months. When we got there I know we were ALL wore out filling sandbags & improving the post. Well take care Tom, will get back with you later.

    • I AM LOOKNG FOR A SPECIAL PERSON THAT WAS TRANSLATOR AT HUE FROM 1972-74 AND A POLICE WITH THE SOUTH VIETNAMESE LOCATED AT TM, ALL I REMEMBER WAS HIS FIRST NAME DUNG

      • Sorry Mike …I do not remember a translator named Dung …Not many guys from after 1970 MACV Tm3 use this site for some reason, so you most likely need to search some other sites, I believe facebook has has MACV Tm3.

    • I don’t know if you can post photos on this Website. Was your father with the Marine security detachment at the Hue MACV compound? I met Arthur Robertson and Michael Mishler, members of the security detachment, in Houston. They were in the tower with my friend Frank Doezema when he was mortally wounded in the opening moments of Tet.

      • He was.

        Sent from my iPhone Please forgive any typo’s. As this message was sent via a cellular telephone. Patrick Weyand.

      • @ H.G Reza He was on leave at the time Tet broke out, and then came back and fought to help take back the city. He served with Tran Ngoc Hue, Then at that time Col Joe Boldt, and I believe Mr Coulligan. Not sure on the spelling. He finished up his career in 1985 retiring as a SgtMaj In the Marines.

  125. On Jan. 30, 1968 our team drove in a two vehicle convoy from our camp at Phong Dien to the MACV Compound in Hue to get paid. It was a monthly ritual. Our plan was to spend the 30th and 31st at the compound and return to camp on Feb. 1. On these trips we also gathered supplies and ammo. We rolled into the compound at about 11 am, looking forward to eating in the mess hall for a couple of days. But no sooner than parking our vehicles the entire team (Cpt. Nick Goersch, SFC Don Rampanelli, SFC Thomas Richardson, Australian WO Dick Powell and I) were summoned to S-3 at Thua Thien Sector Hqs. I can’t remember who briefed us, but we were told that something was brewing. The problem was that nobody knew what. We were ordered to return to camp immediately without taking time to procure the supplies we needed. Later that afternoon, I was checking the east side of our perimeter when the camp came under mortar fire. I watched the first round hit outside the wire and ducked inside a bunker. We took about 25 rounds but there was no ground assault. I was the team’s RTO. Some time after midnight we lost radio contact with Sector Hqs. and took more incoming. We had no idea that the NVA had overrun Hue and were also unaware of the battle raging there. Confusion, uncertainty and fear abounded in our small corner of Vietnam. In the first week of February I picked up a faint transmission from the team at Phu Loc, a camp south of Hue and north of Danang. Phu Loc had been overrun and the 5-man team escaped to a place on the beach where they jumped in a boat and paddled out to the South China Sea. It was hard to visualize five U.S. grunts bobbing in the ocean. We managed to get help from the 1st Cav at Camp Evans. They sent a Huey to pluck the guys out of the boat and brought them to our camp. They were a welcome sight; five more Americans whom we knew we could count on. I don’t remember their names save for their team leader, Maj. Franklin. We were in frequent contact in the first two weeks of February and hit regularly with 60mm and 82mm fire. The teams persevered but our luck ran out on Feb. 25, 1968, when Rampanelli was wounded by a command detonated mine while on patrol. Tet was a watershed moment in our lives, and I was proud to serve with the guys on my team, everyone a professional soldier.

    • My name is Rudy Kranz Army SP 4,Hue, Advisory Team 3, Dec. 1966 to Dec.1967. Attached with ARVN 1st Inf. Div. Hoc Boa. radio operator. Hue main compound was about 60 percent officers and our front gate guards where marines along with marine MP’s. I still
      keep in touch with my Marine friends.

      • I didn’t know any of the marine guards at the Hue compound, but a few years ago I learned that Arthur “Bob” Robertson and Michael Mishler, were assigned to the compound as marine guards. Bob, who was corporal of the guard, and Michael were with my friend Frank Doezema in the tower when Frank was mortally wounded on Jan. 31, 1968. I learned about Bob and Michael when Bob was dying at the VA Hospital in Houston. I got to visit with both before he passed. Walt Meeley, who passed away on Memorial Day 2001, was the RTO at Phu Thu for a while. Walt and I shipped to VN together from Ft. Bliss. There was another RTO named Bob Mignemi but I can’t remember what team he was assigned to. I lived in the same hooch at the compound with Mignemi and Frank Doezema for a while when I arrived in country. Other RTOs I remember were named Tarbox and a guy named Roger, whom I replaced at Phong Dien. I was a sergeant E-5 when I rotated home. Rudy, I’m sure that our paths crossed in the compound at some point….I hope that your marine friends remember Bob Robertson and Michael Mishler.

        H.G. Reza
        RTO
        Phong Dien 67-68

        • If you take a look at “The Men Who Persevered” by Bruce Davies, you will find in the back a list of all Australians who served with the AATTV where they served, and the dates of their service. From there you can try to locate Australians who served along side of him. Some of them are still living. You might also want to reach out to Bruce Davies, who knows and knew just about all of them. Davies has some paragraphs on Badcoe in the book.

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