Team 3 Thua Thien Hue

MACV Team 3 – Thua Thien Hue.

This Page is intended for the discussion of the Military Assistance Command Vietnam Team 3 located in Thua Thien Hue.

363 thoughts on “Team 3 Thua Thien Hue

  1. hello ron,

    i went back to vietnam in 2006 specifically to visit a former patrol area in the southern ashau where we had 4 kia, bnr until late ’90s. (partyline-one, 3rd recon, opn. cloud, 3 aug 67). at the time i had to have a “minder” with me, but knowing what i know now, i would just hire a car and driver (in hue) and go. roads are good, major highway now runs through the valley. hard to recognize now. built up. i have some photos if you are interested….email me (


  2. On Monday, 6 February I will spend a portion of my day in prayer and reflection at our local Vietnam Veterans Memorial in Jacksonville, NC. The reason is that this will be the 48th anniversary of the crash of a UH1H Huey helicopter belonging to the 282d Avn Bn “Blackcats.” All eight passengers (6 US and 2 RVN) died in the crash, 5 US were friends of mine. I was scheduled to be on that flight and because of bad weather in Hue prior to it leaving, I was diverted to Phu Bai and missed the flight by 15 minutes. Those on board will remain in my heart and mind until the day I die.

    • Next year is the 50th anniversary of the Tet Offensive. I’m scheduled to take a Celebrity cruise that stops for a day in the Chan May port (between Danang and Hue) on 14 February. I’m currently planning to get a car and driver to take my wife and me around Hue for the day, and possibly go to Ashau Valley, which was the focus of many Trail FAC missions during 1967/68.

      I would much appreciate any recommendations from my comrades on this website regarding reliable tour guides, etc.

      • Hey Denny,

        Was that the Black Cat that Lt Col Donald Parsons was on? Timing is about right. He was my CO, based in a house in Dong Ha. I was senior advisor to the MACV team at Charlie-2 at the time. Charlie-2 was about halfway between Dong Ha and the DMZ.

        Parson’s remains, 2 teeth, were found in 1996, IDed several years later and now reside in Arlington Nat’l Cemetery.

        Then Lt Francis Delaney.


      • I going back this Thursday with a group of nine Purple Heart vets sponsored by the VFW National HQ. We are
        definitely going to Hue and hopefully the A Shau. I’ll give you a shout when I return in early May.

  3. In response to Bill Browns post on Australian Woody.

    I checked with some friends involved with the AATTV. They still have him listed as being Alive on their roster which is not what is in the book referenced. I can put you in contact with my friend Rick Ryan AATTV if you want more info. It appears that Woody’s telephone number is unlisted. So please dont get your hopes up but the info they have is that they believe him to be alive in Australia.

    • EXCELLENT! Didn’t know him all that well but he had a reputation as a great soldier and I know the Vietnamese liked him.

    • I recently established contact with one of my Team 3 RTOs, Nelson Rodriguez, after almost 50 years. He tells me that
      after I got medevaced during TET the Army gave Team 3 the Presidential Unit Citation and another unit award. These never caught up with me. Anyone have copies of the awards or can direct me to where i could find them?

  4. Bill Williams, not sure if my last message posted. Merv was a good friend to my father. Dad was there when Merv came in, if I remember right he came in right to the field dad met him when he got off the chopper.

    We are still in contact with his family, and the AATTV.

    Dad is in good health. If you have questions I can ask him.

    People keep asking about a Kiwi but no one seems to know of who it would have been. Anyway if you are on facebook check out the Team 3 page there are a few photos of Merv there.

    • Does anyone know what became of Aussie WO Woodforde (I hope that’s his right name) whose place I took with the
      TRINH SAT (RECON CO) when he was wounded in late 1967? I know that by TET WO Egan was the Advisor but I
      never heard what happened to Woody.

      • Arthur Joseph WOODFORD is listed in The Men Who Persevered (a comprehensive book on the Australian Army Training Team Vietnam [AATTV]). This book was published in 2005 and lists WO Woodford as being deceased, date unknown. Not much help I know but at least you can ‘close the book’ on your search.

        • That’s sad news for sure. Like a lot of the Aussies he was a little rough around the edges but a great soldier and a lot of fun after you got to know him. He was well into his 40s in Vietnam so I am not totally surprised he’s gone. Hope he had a
          suitable military funeral. Thanks for the info and I’ll try to pick up a copy of the book.

  5. Picked it up today. Safe in hand. Dad said it had to have been from early 67 as it had his earlier assignment which had been changed. He did recognize a few names. But it was missing some so it is probably from the time frame earlier 67. He also said he was in a field team so most of his friends and contacts were with his field unit. I will scan it into a PDF and can send it via email box drop. Will just need e-mail addresses .

    • I got it when I reported to Team # 3 which I believe was in August of 1967. I have no idea why I held onto it for all these years but now I’m glad I did. I’m at . I hope others can use it. Please make sure that Roberts gets

  6. Pat:” I sent the material before you posted your home address. All I had was your business address at the Y. The USPS
    confirmed that it was delivered and signed for at the Y by a J. Scholey or some such name.

  7. I was on the next flight with the same pilot. He calmly told his co-pilot that he hoped he didn’t have the something as his last flight. Then explained for all to hear what had happened. I was on my way to Hue for the first time. Didn’t make me very comfortable.

    • Those Otters must have been magnets. Major (then CPT, USMC) Harvey Zimmerle and I flew into the citadel, the first week in September 1968. When we were on the ground and exited the aircraft, Harvey had a bullet hole through his brief case. He went to 2/3 and I went to 3/54 as senior advisors.

  8. Anyone out there remember the Army Otter aircraft that was shot down about 13 July 1968, en-route to Hue City? A friend of mine was on that aircraft, Captain Steve Materi. Have been trying to contact him but no luck as of yet. I believe he was last located in Georgia or Florida. One of the bullets that came through the floor of the aircraft was heading straight for him when it hit a tin AVIS “We Try Harder” button and deflected it to his portable radio in his duffel bag. I have a picture of that button which I sent to AVIS’ corporate headquarters (my father-in-law was a manager of AVIS at the Fayetteville, NC airport. Just one of the little stories that make up history.

    • Pat:
      I express mailed the roster to your business address- someone named Scholey signed for it. Hope you can disseminate it
      to the group in a better format.

  9. Sorry, we never really got personal. Do remember that he walked around with a riding crop and that he was a great boss. He always cared about the welfare of his men.

    • Guys:

      I have a printed official roster of Team # 3, 37th Signal Battalion, 7th USAF Detachment and USMC Guard detachment at Hue. It dates from sometime in the middle of 1967. It’s a so-so mimeograph copy but generally legible with DEROS, SN, rank, date of rank and duty station. It also has some Team # 4 info. It’s 22 pages long and if someone can reproduce in a more user friendly format I’ll be glad to make it available.

  10. Sorry to hear of Mr. Eagan’s passing, he was a top notch soldier. Like most of the Aussies in Northern I Corps he had been an NCO in the Royal Australian Army and got his Warrant upon volunteering for Vietnam. He and several other WOs
    from Australia convinced me to take my R&R in Sydney which had just opened up as an R&R center. They set me up with
    their friends in Sydney and I had a grand old time there. In return I had to buy them all new sets of darts- their favorite
    pastime (after drinking beer that is.) I learned a valuable life lesson from the Aussies, never EVER get into a drinking
    contest with an Australian soldier!

    • Had to chuckle about Aussies and beer. I was the Sr advisor to the 3/54th reg’t and later staff advisor for the 54th from September 1968 to September 69. My WO Aussie was Sid Colley. He had been in the Australian army since 1939 starting out as a guerilla on New Guinea. He was my mentor about most everything; certainly, the jungle and the oriental mindset…. a fine man and a WARRIOR! Off the clock, beer darts and cribbage were his thing and yes, you did not ever want to think that you could out drink an Aussie.

  11. I replaced an Aussie whose name I cannot recall but it started with WOOD, maybe Woodford? I was the co van until another Aussie named Eagan took over- he had the Recon Company during TET and did a hell of a job. I do not remember any New Zealanders with the Hoc Bao or the Trinh Sat. When I was in Hue the only Black Panther Advisors I recall were Jim Coolican and an Army Captain named Jones.

  12. Bob Stuler:

    Great to hear your name again after so many years. We overlapped in Hue for about four months when you had the
    Trinh Sat (Recon Company.) I think Truong Uy Tan was the CO, at least he was when I was with them. You may recall
    me as a second tour CAPT, 6’3″ with bright red hair assigned as G-2 Air. Major Esteban Sanchez, known affectionately
    as Shaky Steve was the G-2 Advisory boss. Good guy but unbelievably nervous.

  13. Funny we never met because I knew a lot of the Trail guys. I knew of Manhard but never met him. You’re spot on about
    LTC Brown, terrific guy who really knew his stuff. He wrote an interesting book and also tape recorded most of the sounds
    of the first few days and nights of TET 1968 from his room on the 2d floor of the motel/hotel/boq/whatever. TET ended my
    Army career pretty much as my four wounds got me shipped home and I couldn’t stay in without waiving my disabilities
    which I just couldn’t do. Would have loved to have done 20 but the NVA didn’t cooperate.

  14. Must be another Jonesy. My briefs and debriefed were mostly limited to the Trail FACs. I did do a daily briefing (as S-2 Air) for Phillip Manhard, Senior Sector Advisor for Thua Thien Province. He was a GS-18 State Dept. civilian who was captured in Hue on Feb 1 1968 and spent 5 years in the Hanoi Hilton.

    L/C Brown was my boss. Tough, kind and razor sharp. Flew in Burma in WWII. Amazing pilot, warrior and leader.

  15. Denny:

    Are you the JONESY the USAF SSB guy who gave me the daily weather so I could brief Col Peter Kelley and the other
    honchos? LTYC Brown was the main FAC in those days. He actually flew me into an unnamed country somewhat West of Vietnam that I guess I’m still sworn to secrecy about. I was the 1st ARVN Division G-2 AIr Advisor and filled in as Recon Company Advisor when their Aussie WO got hit by mine shrapnel. Former Army CAPT John Doherty, MACV Team # 3
    August 67-February 68.

    • john, would you read my 10 march posting below. there is a reference to a “nz army” WO, but no one i have comms with remembers any nz officers assigned to the huk bao units. i am wondering if this might have been the aussie WO you referenced….this was during col. kelley/kellys time if the same one. early august 1967


  16. My hat’s off to you and everyone else that were on the ground in Ashau those days. A true strategic target as a choke point for the North’s I-95 supply route, bombed 24/7 by B-52s, secured and rebuilt daily by thousands of NVA troops and “corduroy” road builders. A true valley of the shadow of death.

  17. Trail FACs were involved in a few such missions during my time in Hue. I don’t remember the details of that extraction. Around that period we were in contact with a (Delta?) team that was put into Ashau one afternoon. We left as it became dark. At first light the next day the FAC made radio contact. The team leader whispered, “Get us the hell out of here. We have a regiment surrounded, but they won’t give up their weapons.”

  18. Interesting, I had a FAC in a “pusher” (O-5?) flying over the An Hoa Basin/valley in Jan ’69 that used the call sign “Lopez 50”. He was marking a spot (bomb crater) where there were several NVA holed up and hit one of them in the back with a WP rocket.

  19. Hi Bill. I finished Intel school at Lowry AFB in May 1968. A couple of other FAC support names I remember are Dave Hast (Quang Tri) and Rex Darling (IDASC Danang).

    • Denny or Bill,

      do either of you remember trail support to a usmc recon team that was in the ashau 3 august 67? we were hit during extract. this was in support of (subsequently cancelled) operation cloud. i was the patrol leader of one of the two recon patrols hit that day.

      bill mcbride

    • Denny, Did you ever hear of a FAC out of the Da Nang/ Hill 55 area that used the call sign of “Lopez 50”?

  20. Had one small run-in with Colonel Atkinson. It seems that two of my friends from Ft Bragg were advisors to a Vietnamese Ranger Battalion. They had been n the field for 30 days straight when they wandered into the Hue Compound, straggly looking, torn and dirty fatigues and a overgrowth of chin whiskers. They had nothing with them so they asked to borrow a couple of uniforms until the next day, which I obliged. That night they went to the O’Club and got into a fight with someone. The next day, after I came in from my District in Phu Thu, my uniforms were back in my hooch and there was a message that Col Atkinson wanted to see me. I reported to him about 3:00 PM and he started chewing my ass about my scandalous conduct in the O’club the night before. When he finished his initial rant I told him that it wasn’t me, I had been out in the District Compound all night. It was then I realized what happened. Of course my uniforms had my name on them so when whoever reported it, they gave them my name. He apologized (as best he could) and said to me, “No wonder the reports were you were fighting like two men!) I will never forget the feeling of relief when I exited the CO’s house. Unfortunately, my one friend who was a Major (can’t remember the name) stepped on a mine, lost both legs and half an arm and an eye. Like any good Ranger, he survived, went back to Florida and ran his own cattle ranch. The only time I saw him after that he was featured on a TV documentary about how wounded vets were coping. They showed how he mounted his horse with only one arm and used his teeth to steer the horse. Understand he died about 10 years later but cannot confirm it.

  21. I was stationed at Charlie Two outpost, north of Dong Ha, when this event occurred. I happened to be in the Dong Ha MACV ‘compound’ the day LTC Donald Parsons went on this recon mission. It was a sad day, indeed: Parsons was one of the finest officers I’ve ever met. From researching POW/KIA websites I learned that the wreckage was found in 1996. Six years later, the remains (two teeth) of LTC Parsons were identified. Those remains were interred in Arlington National Cemetery with his two daughters present. I didn’t know anyone else on that flight. 1Lt Francis Delaney.

  22. As I recall, as the one who sent Larry on that trip, I feared he was missing when he called me in the Division TOC to find out where the helicopter was. He had gotten off before it disappeared, but expected it to come back. Larry would remember best. CPT Weisberg

    • OK, thanks for posting Capt Weisburg. I was on duty with you in the TOC when this all went down. Getting off the ship as it was leaving Quang Tri was what he told us back in the hootch after he got back to Hue. I recall your intense and genuine concern after getting the news that the ship was missing and relief when Larry called. So tragic for the men on the mission.

      • Actually, I was supposed to be on that chopper. As luck would have it, I had a very bad cold and Larry Craven volunteered to go in my place. This discussion took place at First ARVN Division G-2 Section. The weather was very bad that day with low visibility.

    • Go to the Arlington National Cemetery website, type in CWO2 Charles Irving Stanley and there will be full explanation of the incident. One thing I did not mention is there were six Americans on board, (Crew) Dave Padgett, Charles Stanley, Sp5 Robert O’Hara, SFC Eugene Christian, (Advisors) LTC Don Parsons and Cpt Ron Briggs (My boyhood friend. I did not even know he was in the Army, let alone on Team 3). There was a Vietnamese Major on board also. When they found the ship, which had crashed and evidently was stuck in the second canopy they found eight bodies. It was assumed that the ship had unfortunately come down on some Vietnamese peasant. As I heard the story while they were still looking for the bird, there was another Vietnamese solider on board, who was the major’s BATMAN (carried his pack, weapon, shined his boots, cooked his meals, etc) I reported this to Casualty Assistance on the day of the funeral but do not know if they ever corrected the mystery of the 8th man. All the recovered bodies with the exception of SFC Christian I believe are buried in a common grave on the south side of Arlington, just across from the old Navy Annex building (in, about 200 feet from the road). I attended the funeral and met with Charles’ brother Ron Stanley and his family. The funeral/internment occurred in September of 2002 I believe. My roommate in Hue City was an AF FAC (0-2 pilot). He was the one who first told me that the craft was missing when I returned from Phu Bai at about 2:00 P.M 6 Feb 1969. He was just heading out to search, along with another FAC. I had never heard about Sgt Craven missing the flight. I hope he has prospered over these many years and like me, has tried to reward others with his good fortune.

    • I was always under the impression he was dead. I moved out to my District (Phu Thu) about that time and did not get back into Hue. I went on R&R in March and when I came back was transferred to USARV Advisor School training MAT Teams until I derosed in July 1969. Just before I left to come home went on a fact-finding mission to a little place called My Lai south of Danang. You may have heard of it. MACV wanted to know why the local population was so hostile to the Advisory effort. Think Lt Calley!

  23. Does anyone have a picture or story about the MACV Goose? I remember there was a picture of the goose on the wall of the Team messhall. He had flown in there during the May 5th attack and took refuge in the MSG Guard Shack at the front gate. He never, to my knowledge left the compound until……when the goose met his untimely death on 10 November 1968 when allegedly, a USMC Mighty-Mite backed up over him in the courtyard. Someone (Army Captain) brought his then lifeless body into the O’Club and it was noticeable that he had been touched with some paint of scarlet and gold (USMC colors). Very suspicious!!! To some his award of a Purple Heart was disturbing. Prior to coming in country I was assigned as Company Commander, Student Company B, USA Special Warfare School where I commanded all the services who were in attendance for the MATA-Sector Unit and Mata-Corps/Division course and three PsyOp courses. I arrived at Team 3 in July 1968, remained there until transferred to USARV Advisor School at Dian and rotated stateside in July 1969. I was assigned to Phu Thu District as the DSA after LTC Lopez left. My Team Sergeant was SFC Bagby and SSG Williams. Had a MAC Team headed up by 1LT Lopez. While in Hue City bunked in with a newly promoted Major John Shalikashvili. Was scheduled to be on the ill-fated 282 AVN Bn Blackcat helicopter which crashed on 6 Feb 1969, but had missed the flight by 15 minutes. Attended funeral for CWO Charles Stanley, Major David Padgett and 4 others, one of whom was Captain Ron Briggs, a friend of mine from the neighborhood in Philadelphia.

    • Brothers, my name is Angelo Romeo and I was the Deputy Compound Commander for Team 3 from May ’68-May ’69. Google MACV Team 3 or “Garfield, the Hue Goose” for your information. Seem to remember a mock court martial for the perpetrator and the sentence was to buy a round at both the EM and Officers Clubs. I do remember Garfield taking a dump in the salad that was to be served in the mess hall. Also remember when the Marines painted him and Major Webb and I had to get it off before the Colonel saw him in the morning. On a somber note, I flew often with Major [then 1LT] Padgett. Nice guy.

    • I was at Team 3 compound Oct 68 to Oct 69. Worked at interrogation center and at TOC at 1st ARVN Div HQ in the citadel. Lived in the farthest corner hootch diagonal from the main gate. I remember a helicopter that disappeared on a return trip from Quang Tri (I think). Can’t remember when exactly it happened. Is this the one you are referring to in your post? If so, one guy from our hootch (Sgt Larry Craven) had made the trip up and was just getting ready to jump in for the return trip when he realized he did not have some documents he was supposed to have and jumped down off the skid, telling the crew he would get a ride back to Hue the next day. If this is the incident you are recalling, can you post any additional info on the ultimate outcome? i.e, was the ship found, are the funerals you mention the crew members? Many thanks.

  24. Col Tschan. Dads name may be familuar to you for a number of reasons. He was Recon in the mid to late 50’s 2nd batallion. Spent some time around Cuba. Was an instructor at Raider school 1964 Okinawa. Assigned to Team 3 from march 67-late 69. Serving 68-69 with the Black Panther unit. After that he was an instruxtor in Coronado for Amphibious recon, then back to Vietnam Thailand 73-74 with JCRC.

    Being Recon, did you know my uncle Sgt Alan T Jensen KIA Oct 17 1967 in Elephant Valley. Force recon. The area was South East of Hue my dads maps do not include that area. South East if Hue near Hwy 1. He was part of Reactionary force team Petrify. They went in to try to get another unit that was pinned down out. At the time he was relativally new to Recon. He served under Joe Taussig? His team name was team petrify. ( not sure if that name was just for that Operation) One of the other team names was war cloud, and Texas Pete? Just curious

  25. Operation Cloud Ashau Valley August 1 1967

    I was on one of two USMC recon teams that were inserted into the Ashau on 1 and 2 August in preparation for this operation. Both teams made contact within a few days of insertion, took casualties, and were extracted on 3 August. The operation was subsequently cancelled.

    The operation was to have been a quick raid into the valley, and was planned as a joint operation between III MAF forces and ARVN. Years later I contacted the USMC Battalion Commander who was designated as the Ground Force Commander for the operation. He sent me the Operation Order and a set of his personal notes. In his notes, an extract from which is included below, he mentions coordination with Army Col. Kelly and other ARVN units. Do any of you who were advisers remember any of this, or have any comments. In my opinion, this operation would have been a disaster had the trigger been pulled on it.

    quotes from his notes below:

    “Initially, it was to be a combined operation with the ARVN and
    there were several conferences with the Army advisers to the 1st
    ARVN Div. The Army colonel was named Kelly, I think. One of the
    earlier schemes of maneuver was for ARVN Rangers to parachute into
    the northern part of the Objective area near the old Special Forces
    fort. which had been the scene of a big fiasco in 1965 or 66, I balked at
    not having command of all the forces on the ground. Subsequently,
    the ARVN Rangers were withdrawn from the operation and the Huk Bao or Black Panther Co. substituted. They had a New Zealand CWO as adviser.

    The Rangers also were to have an air-dropped 105mm btry
    which I thought to be tactically unsound inasmuch as both the
    paratroops and the battery would impinge on the helo assets for
    extraction. One of the “rumors” fed back through Col. Kelly was
    that the paratroops felt that there was a heavy concentration of AA
    MGs around the drop zone. That raised my suspicions that the ARVN
    involvement had already gotten back to Charlie. I came up with a
    concept to capitalize on that by having dummies dropped in
    parachutes in the drop zone which was north of my LZ. I hoped that
    would draw away from the LZ and at the same time reveal their
    positions to our fixed wing support. I was again. suspicious when
    Col. Kelly told me he thought the dummies were a great idea and he
    had Vietnamese seamstresses making them in Hue. So much for tight-hold security.”

    bill mcbride
    3rd recon bn, 3rd mar div ’67’68

    • COL Peter Kelley was the Senior Advisor to the First ARVN and CO of Team #3 when I was there from 8/67-3/68. He had been replaced by Col George Adkisson just before TET. Kelley was WWII and had jumped into Normandy I believe. Sweetheart of a guy, great with junior officers (I was a CAPT) as he had a lot of EM time. I got medvaced out by HUEY on 2/17/68
      and met several USMC WIAs who were openly advocating FRAGGING Adkisson.

      I was able to attend the re-dedication of FRANK DOEZEMA’s grave outside of Kalamazoo, MI with Col (RET) Jim Coolican.
      The MACV Compound was named after Frank who got the DSC for TET while Jim got the Navy Cross for rescuing Frank
      from his guardtower which had taken a direct RPG hit which eventually killed Frank. Frank was Jim’s RTO with the Hac Bao
      (Black Panther Co.)

      John C. Doherty
      MACV Team # 3 Hue

      • Thanks for the info john, helps fill in a few of the blanks. knowing now his background in ww2 and normandy, it is understandable how col. kelly might have pushed for a dummy drop to deceive the nva within the operation cloud taor. i do agree with the bn. co’s comments that having them made by seamstresses in hue city probably was an opsec issue.

        col. jim coolican and i served together at usna in the early 70s. hand salute!

        i’m still wondering about the reference to the “cwo nz advisor” to the hac bao mentioned in the op order and notes for cloud.

        bill mcbride

        alpha company, 3rd recon bn. jun-oct ’67

  26. I knew of Major Morales, can’t remember meeting him, however I knew Lt. Col fair very well. I moved to 1/3/1 shortly after he came to PK-17. He was a fine officer, a maverick as they called officers who had been NCOs before getting a field commission. He didn’t mind getting out with us from time to time, especially when we needed supplies in a hurry. I have a few good stories about him. I keep in touch with him until his death.

      • At the beginning I worked division hq but later on I started going out with different units until I was assigned to the village of Nam Hoa.

        • steve m.
          very soon after tet [a day or two a few of us went by helicopter to work at 1st arvn division hq. do you remember being part of that?

          • As much as I can remember I was in the main bunker by Col. Kelly’s house and we use to take turns between our bunker and the Colonel’s. You mention about Sgt. Blum, Sanford, Mueller, Anton ,etc. I remember that were at the same hootch in from of the school. I remember you also ’cause your last was kind of rare it wasn’t easy to forget.

  27. steve m
    anyone remember any of these from macv compound hue 67-68?

    sgt lester blum [head signals nco]
    barry mueller [clerk 1st div]
    [?] sanford [rto]
    tom carty [rto]

    • Steve m My name is N. Rodriguez, SPC 4 RTO and I was in the same hootch with these guys, and I think I remember you too. I am just recalling to the best of my memory which is not that good these days.

  28. steve m, i wrote a novel about a mutant rock and roll band on the ho chi min trail, macv compound and palace in hue make an appearance [i didn’t actually write it, it was written by a young friend of mine to whom i had told the story to when he was little] anyway if anyone is interested i will send you a copy.

    • i am new to this site and looking for information about my father Joseph G Mixson, USMC. The odds someone here would actually have met him are probably scarce at best since he was only in the field for something like 2-3 days. specifically my mother has asked me to find out if there is an error in the listing of my fathers place of death in the national archives, that being Bien Diem province, i have written evidence my father was prpbably not in that province. most likely he was in Thou Thang or Quang Tri. he died in an area called An Lo. he was with another officer who was wounded in the attack, Capt. Richard Dan Riley, Army (he (Riley)may have later been assigned to Adv team 1). another letter says that a then Maj. JJ Turner was in contact with my father in the initial minutes of conflict. another letter from then LTC George J. Van Hazel states he was in defence of a major bridge. my research so far finds an An Lo bridge north on Hue and lots of other references that would not have placed him in Bien Diem province. at the advice of another member i have contacted the national archive for an after action report. the battle seems to have been pretty heavy and occured on Dec. 10 1966, i am trying to read back through all the other posts to find someone who might have been in that place and time but it is a lot to read. anyone who might know of information that would help sort this out can contact me @
      Thank you all for your service.

  29. For those that may be interested, write to the National Archives and Records Administration, 8601 Adelphi Road, College Park, Maryland
    20740-6001, to get information on the MACV Advisory Teams. I did that a few years ago for MACV Team 1-15, Hoi An. I did get some information, not all conclusive, but enough to answer some questions about the team. I was surprised to learn that some of the information was classified until 1987, and other information is still classified. There is a charge for this, depending on what you ask for.

  30. i was on an operation , i think with the hoc bau but it might have been the recon company, in ashau . would have been late summer maybe of 68. the way i remember it was the valley of death. black leafless trees and tarantulas. there was jungle but i can only picture those black trees in the lz

  31. Does anyone remember a New Zealand advisor to the Huk Bao or Black Panther Company during the July-August ’67 time frame?

    A joint USMC-ARVN raid into the Ashau was planned for early August 67. The operation was “Operation Cloud”, and was subsequently cancelled by CG-III MAF. I was team leader of one of the two recon teams from 3rd Recon Bn that participated in the pre-raid activities in the valley. I have documents from III MAF and the USMC Bn. Cdr that mention the involvement of Huk Bao/ BP Co. and the NZ advisor.

    I’m trying to track down other participants of “Cloud”. Email me if you would like to view the docs.
    bill.mcbride “at” gmail dot com.

    • i have used my authorative book ‘The Men Who Persevered’ authors Bruce Davies and Gary McKay to search for any Kiwi who may have been an adviser with the Black Panther Company. Only eleven Kiwis served with the Australian Army Training Team (AATTV) and these are listed in this book along with all Australian ‘Team’ members. The first Kiwi to serve with us arrived in 1970. However, in the time frame you mention, an Australian Warrant Officer, Terence Gill was an adviser to the Black Panthers. One has to admit that with the passing of time an individual may surface who records were incomplete and that a Kiwi may have ‘dropped in’ for a few days. After all it was a strange war.

      • thanks for the research, bill. although the bn. cdr’s notes say ” new zealand cwo”, it is very likely that the advisor was australian. i would like to get in contact with terrence gill if possible

        semper fi


  32. i just sent a reply , i didn’t realize you remembered me until i read your post again, it would be really cool to see those pictures, and a picture of you [mine were all given away to goodwill by mistake]. and a picture of you

  33. when i was there there were refered to as the recon company ,they had an owl on the beret [never heard them called recondos] although they did get recondo training at the 101 airborn camp [i think near phu bai but south of hue] . the regular advisor at that time was an australian wo, an older guy from brisbain . who had retired from the english army and was recruited by the australians

  34. My name is Marty Albritton. I arrived in Hue in late ’67. I was NCOIC in the S-2 office of Thua Thien Sector Hqs.during the Tet Offensive.

    • I was more fortunate than you. I did not arrive in Hue until August, 1968. Do you remember names of others who served with you at that time?

  35. Hi Gene…My name is Rob Ritchie, I was with TM3 from August 1968 to August 1969. I was the Senior Advisor to 3/54 Regiment and staff Advisor/ Deputy advisor to the 54th during that period. I worked with the Trail FACs frequently and particularly Trail 33. I believe his name was Will Hall from Midland, TX. You Trail guys were great! I also live in Houston, actually Sugar Land.

    • Message
      I am looking for any Vietnam veteran who may have served with and known Captain Nelson Lehman, who served in Vietnam in 1967 with the Advisory Team 3, HQ, MACV Advisors, MACV, and died on duty on March 3, 1967. I am a former college roommate of his and an army veteran of Vietnam. I would like to know more about his service and his death. Thank you for any feedback.

      Lance Long

      • Hi Lance, Nels was my mother’s cousin. I spend time on this website looking for more information on him too. Below is a link to aerogrammes sent by Major Badcoe, Australian Army. His March 8 dispatch gives some detail and Nels is referenced elsewhere too.

        Will send the limited other content that I have to you via email.

        Hunter Hohlt

    • Rob Ritchie,
      I was at Team #1 Hoi An) from December ’67 to November ’68 with the U.S. Army as a SP5 in the S-3 with Air Operations (282nd Aviation, Black Cats). I am retired from the Federal government and live in Pattison, TX, just north of Brookshire). Drop me a line at

  36. Hi Gene

    It’s great to make contact with you! The Gene Goss that I remember from 1967/68 was the epitome of an American warrior pilot.

    I do remember your report showing evidence of large scale movements around Hue. As I recall, it was on the 29th of January 1968. You may be aware of what happened when I reported it, along with other Trail activities, in a briefing the next morning. (Note: Part of my responsibilities included briefing the Senior Sector Advisor as part of a major daily dog and pony show at his compound, which was located close to House 8. The Senior Advisor was a State Department civilian GS-18, the equivalent of a general officer, and he was responsible for most non-military operations in Thua Thien, including pacification.)

    Anyway, on the morning of the 30th of January I was preparing a large sliding wall map with symbols for significant visual reconnaisance sightings and a couple of immediate airstrikes that we had directed on the 29th. The Advisor recognized my symbols and directed that I immediately give him my report. (Out of turn, since I would normally have been the 4th briefer.) I told him about your report, others showing company sized, probable NVA, movements in the lowlands a bit further north. I then reported that we had put in a couple of sorties in support of either the ARVNs or Marines (memory fails), who had drawn fire from smaller troop movements. The sorties had been properly cleared through the Province Chief. Reminding me that there was a Tet cease fire underway, the Senior Advisor informed me that our actions were destroying carefully nurtured pacification efforts in those areas, that the airstrikes had made us war criminals, and that he would do his best to see that we, the Hue Trail contingent, were all prosecuted. I left the briefing room, and reported what happened to Col. Brown and the IDASC folks in Danang. No one was overly concerned. The Tet Offensive in Hue began at 0300 on the 31st, the next morning. Early that day, the Senior Advisor was captured by the NVA, and I later found out that he was a prisoner in the Hanoi Hilton until he was released in 1973.

    On a lighter note, you may recall the time when you and I, and I think Col. Brown were picked up by the MPs in a skivvy bar in Hue and brought to their hq. The bar was off limits to the Army and Marines, but not us. We were released in Col. Brown’s custody, and immediately went back to the bar. I forget the operation that we were celebrating, but love the story.

    Best of luck to you as well. I’m retired and live in Hilton Head, SC and my email is

  37. I was sent out to Fire Supp base Sarge toward the end of 67, was left out there past my going home date !!!!! I was a RTO for the ARVNs there ……

    • I was in Hue from June 1967 to June 1968. USAF Intel support to Trail facs. House 8 during Tet. Knowledgeable about Thua Thien province, Tet in Hue, the Citadel airfield, etc.

      • Hi Denny -this is Gene Goss one of the Trail Facs. Remember you and all that fun at TET. Remember the night before the attack at dusk when I flew over the Song Be river where it enters the mountains and saw all those footprints of the NVA troop who passed North to South towards HUE. Believe you took the report. Also remember all that fun you had at House 8. Good luck to you. I’m down in Houston.

      • Mr. Jones,

        Just curious, but do you remember Ray Parks, Bird Dog crew chief, and whether he was still with the 20th TASS Hue detachment during the Tet Offensive? He may have left before then, but I don’t recall any longer. I have some photos of House 8, and also one of the volunteer relief force that tried to rescue the people there. Also, if you haven’t read it, Col. Brown wrote a great book that includes that period, called “Palace Gate”. You might be interested in reading it.

        • Hi David,
          Sorry, but I don’t remember Ray Parks. I would be very much interested in photos of House 8 and the heroic volunteers that attempted to link up with us early on. (Please email The folks that finally broke through were USMC Hotel 2/5 led by then Captain Christmas. (He retired as a Lt. Gen, and was one of the leading forces in establishing the USMC Museum in Quantico VA.) I do have Col Brown’s book, and it, like him, is outstanding.
          FYI, in Feb 2018 (i.e., the 50th anniversary of Tet) there will be a Celebrity cruise that includes a stop in Hue. I’m planning to take that trip.

      • Denny, My name is Bill Mahon I believe you were my replacement as USAF Intel support for Fac Team in Hue. I’m looking for others who were in our job with other advisory teams. I served in Hue, Phan Thiet and Dong Ha with teams. When did you finish Intel school?

  38. I recall Marine Security guys on Hue MACV Compound during the last half of 1968 but only recall one name, Milke (sp?), nicknamed “Milkman.” Seems he was frequently manning the tower on the SW corner of the compound. I was a radio operator at the ARVN 1st Div HQ inside the Citadel.

    • I didn’t arrive at MACV Compound until August, 1968. However, you may have met Homer Buck, an interrogator at First ARVN Division. Homer was 6″ 6″ tall and must have intimidated the prisoners. You may have met Tom Boyce or Tom Kinoshita who were there at that time. Fred Thompson was the MARS operator. Larry J. Anderson was the company clerk. Let me know if any of these names ring a bell. I lived in the last hooch in the SE corner of the compound. That would be the one with the hole from a B-40 round.

      • I will see dad tonight, and will ask. He was there 67-69 . He really only remembers most of his Hoc Bao attachment but will ask.

        • Only just found this site today. I presume your Dad is now in his senior years> If his memory is OK as your post suggests then he may remember an Australian adviser with the Hac Bao during the same period. I also served as a Medical adviser in Hue in the same period and I was a ood mate of this adviser. His name was Warrant Officer Merv Bolitho. he held the Hac Bao in high regard. Unfortunately Merv passed a couple of years ago. Just passing this on as memories of those days (both good and bad) never leave us.

      • Gary Roberts, are you from south-eastern Ohio? If so, we lived in the same hootch. I remember Homer Buck as well as Spirio, Cravens, Bruce Cook to name a few. If you’re who I think you are, my apologies for the snafu at my class reunion when you came down to visit. I have wondered all these years what had ever happened to you.

      • Hello James K. Frye. Yes, I am the Gary Roberts that you know. I have had very little luck locating Team 3 members. I did make contact with Captain Weisberg who resides in Harrisburg, Pa. It would be interesting to know what happened to some of the other guys. As for me, I was sent out to the A-Shau Valley the last few months of my third tour and functioned as a Light Weapons Infantry Advisor for the First ARVN Infantry Division. I started a Facebook group called Military Assistance Command (MACV) Team 3. Check it out and you
        will see some interesting pictures.

  39. Travis Kirkland? ETSU Sig Ep? Promoted to CPT circa June, 1968 at MACV Compound, Hue? Along with Bradley? Bill Grubbs here…

    • Bill, I remember your name but apologize for not remembering more. Clearly you recall something about me. I hope it was not the highly intoxicated promotion party. Help me remember you


      • I believe we are Sig Ep brothers from ETSU, TN Gamma, yes? I entered ETSU in Fall 65; drafted in late 66; two years enlisted (67-68)…the night of your promotion party I was “still” in Hue, having traveled alone from Camp Evans that day on one of my magic scrounging runs. Ran into you and/or Bradley; was invited to party; being enlisted (SP4), I got kicked out of the O-Club…my memory says you guys were a bit miffed…I made my way back to Camp Evans that night…Oh My!!!! Shortly after, I was transferred to Hue…in SIG PLT attached to MACV TM3. I was a radio operator at the ARVN 1st DIV for the last half of 68.

  40. Australian historian researching on our Victoria Cross winners. Anyone know where I can get my hands on After Action reports online from your unit? Thank you in advance.

    • There may be a few on the Texas Tech site, and Bruce Davies has made a collection of many of them, but otherwise you have to go to the hard copies at the U.S. National Archives. They will locate reports for you by emailed request, but you either have to visit yourself to get copies, or hire a researcher to do it for you (or find a local volunteer). Note that they are in order of creation and transmission, not in order of the event,you will find that some were filed well after the action in question, so you have to do a broad search. Also, a good many from the time period around the Tet Offensive are misfiled or missing. Otherwise, the files seem to be intact. It is possible some of the missing AA reports are with the Army Center for Military History – but I’m only guessing.

  41. Responding to Don DeLano.

    I assume you mean the village of Gio Linh was bulldozed. That sounds right. There were no villages within eyesight of A1 outpost, which was just a big sand dune. Everything around us was a free fire zone, from the Ben Hai River southward, including the DMZ of course.

    I don’t recall the name Doc Mieu. Also don’t recall the HIll 31 designater but I think we’re talking about the same place. The outpost was definitely referred to as A1 while I was there; don’t know what it was called before or after that time.

    What is your source for information on Alpha and Charlie outposts? You seem to know a lot about them. Is there a map I can access online?

  42. Travis: C-4 was on the coast north of Cua Viet. If you were east of C-4, you were in the South China Sea. C-1 was just west of QL1, C2 and C3 were between Cam Lo and
    Con Thien. Fran: Gio Linh had been bulldozed by the spring of ’68. It became an ARVN
    outpost called Doc Mieu. It was designated A-2. A-1 was Hill 31. Google “Hill 31 Historic
    Landmark” and check out the NVA battle monument they built there. A-3 was on the
    trace between A-2 and A-4 (Con Thien)

  43. This is Fran Delaney, responding to Travis Kirkland’s question about Bill Bates. My first duty assignment in Nam was at Alpha One outpost, aka Gio Linh, in May, 1968. I don’t recall the name of the army captain senior advisor there but I think it was Bill Bates. Tall, rangy guy, good man.

  44. I am a historian (and Marine) working on a project concerning the battle for Hue City. I have been to,Vietnam 3 times for,research. Can anyone help me locate the names of the Marines on security detail from DaNang killed at the MACV compound 31 Jan 1968 as the Tet offensive began? Thanks.

    • Have you studied the contributions made by the ARVN forces in the battle for Hue? Check out the book “Vietnams Forgotten Heroes”.

      • i just sent a reply , i didn’t realize you remembered me until i read your post again, it would be really cool to see those pictures, and a picture of you [mine were all given away to goodwill by mistake]. and a picture of you

    • I narrowed it down to 12 Marines killed in Thua Thien province on 1/31/68

      View 2329758 DORRIES CARL WAYNE Marine Corps 12/18/1946 IRVING DALLAS TEXAS THUA THIEN 01/31/1968 SOUTHEAST ASIA
      View 2379980 KINNY GERALD CARL Marine Corps 04/30/1949 TOLEDO TAMA IOWA THUA THIEN 01/31/1968 SOUTHEAST ASIA
      View 2308144 MURRAY MICHAEL VAN Marine Corps 04/28/1947 MACON BIBB GEORGIA THUA THIEN 01/31/1968 SOUTHEAST ASIA
      View 084441 WOODALL JERRY RUSS

      • The only person killed in the MACV compound was Frank Doezema. I believe he was an Army Spec 4. I arrived after Tet but was instrumental in the ceremony renaming the Compound after that young man. I was the Deputy Compound Commander at the time. Ange Romeo, CPT.

        Sent from my iPhone


      • Don’t know if my earlier reply went through. I arrived after TET and served asDeputy Compound Commander for MACV Team 3. During my tour we renamed the compound after Frank Doezema who was killed during the Offensive. I believe he was an Army Corporal or Spec 4. Ange Romeo, CPT.

      • Glenn, have you checked if some of the men you named were assigned to CAP teams? From what I remember, the CAP teams were hit pretty hard the first night of Tet.

        H.G. Reza
        Phong Dien 67-68

    • Were the marines coming from Phu Bai to reinforce Hue MACV Compound–the first group to arrive during Tet? If so, I know someone in this group–e-mail: –I’ve never been on this site before so e-mail is appreciated–I was at the compound June 67 to June 68 as Order of Battle Analyst.

  45. Hello All,
    I am the son-in-law of Frank Breth. He was assigned to MACV Team 3 as a Marine Major back in 67-68. I have reached out to some of his team mates regarding his actions with the team and was wondering if anybody here served with him at Hue and had any personal stories to share of his actions during the battle of Hue. I have talked to Col Coolican and Fred Drew regarding having his Bronze Star upgraded from the Marine Corps but as some of you may know, it’s nearly impossible to get done. So any personal stories would be appreciated.

    Thank you all for your service,
    Jim Garman USN (RET)

    • Jim,I don’t know if this will get to you.I left MACV compoud just befor Frank rotated in. I had spent 2 tours in Vietnam most of it in Hue. I was with EDS when Frank was hired as a recruiter.We were both working in NYC and became friends after we talked one night and realized we had spent time in Hue. I saw Frank at the pentagon when he was N-2 for the corp.Strangely enough we both wound up living in KC. I recruited him to CSC in Austin and then he got sick,I flew to D.C. to see him in the hospital whitch was the last time I saw him.I flew to D.C to attend his funeral at Arlington. He was a hell of a Marine and a great guy.Think of him often.
      Jim Glavin
      LCDR US Navy, retired.

      • James, I put together a “reader ” several years ago thinking I was going to VN with a college group. The reader was mostly a collection of AAR’s, magazine articles and some captured stuff that mentions Maj Breth. I set a copy to his wife shortly after I completed the final draft. She may still have it.

        Good luck
        Travis Kirkland

      • jim, steve malamud, i am trying to fit memories back together, i was an rto ist arvn division macv compound , next to hootch to the one on the corner where i believe the helicopter pilots were. in other words, looking at the school across the street i was in the hootch second from the left when tet hit. i believe i was blown out of bed by the rocket that hit the tower, anyway a big yelow ball of fire went off in my deream and i was on the floor.

        at any rate i spent time in the field with the hoc bau. there was a young rto who was assigned to the hac bau right around the beginning of tet and he told me about you and dai wee hue, and when a tall e-7 advisor to them got injured i asked to be assigned to the hoc bau. i don’t rtemember if you were still the advisor or you had already left.

        also i would like to say hello to dai wee hue [that’s how i knew him and still think of him

        thanks steve malamud

  46. Jack (Skip) Moore says hi to Jim Coolican. I live in The Villages, FL if you get this way while you are in FL, say hi.

  47. Does anyone remember a bn advisor named Bill Bates, Army Captain. He was at Gio Lihn I think. Home was California.

    Bob Tschan, I remember you from a fight we were both in just east of the fire base (c4 I think) that went on for a few days. I think I recall a bullet hole in the leg of your fatigues. The Arvin bn I was with went into the southern end of the tree line and were quickly pushed out.

    • Travis,
      Yup! Good memory!!! That’s a couple of days that I will never forget! Yes, I had a round go thru my trouser leg, just below the crotch. Had to drop to my knees to check it out! Just a welt–didn’t break the skin, so no Purple Heart. Still don’t have one, but definitely not complaining!!
      That was one hell of a fight w/the NVA–2 Bns.
      Bob Tschan

      • Bob: I noticed your comment to Pat Weyland. We live in Ann Arbor, MI, but spend the winters in Florida. Our son is stationed at Quantico so I see Harry Hue often, he lives in Falls Church, VA.
        Semper Fi
        Jim Coolican

  48. Bill , We are down in Sarasota on Vacation, I will ask dad when I return. The Two Aussies he worked with were Tony Eagan and Merv Bolitho. However, I seem to remember him telling me that there had been another Aussie that Merv replaced early on. I will have to check with him. will be home next week. I do not recall him mentioning any New Zealanders Pat Weyand

  49. Just a FAC call sign clarification: The Cat killer FACs were Army flying L19Bird Dogs; Covey FACs were out country USAF flying in Laos and along the Laotian RVN border; Trail FACs were USAF supporting TM3, 1st ARVN Div.

    • In the spring of ’67 we had a fire mission in support for call sign Polite Search , (SF). We were still in the adjustment phase when Cat Killer 11 came on the net and asked to control the mission as his visual from the air was better. SF okay, and when we went into Fire For Effect, (FFE), Battery 3, all 18 rounds were on the way, Cat Killer came back in a Panic, Check Fire, Check Fire All Check Fires in Effect, I gave the wrong correction. Everyone in FDC, had to write a statement on what they heard transmitted incoming transmission from Cat Killer to FDC. Then Cat Killer called for Medivac, then after Medivac he called for an airstrike. Our Battery Commander was angry because the air force would get credit for the body count. Cat Killer then requested to continue the artillery fire mission. Our Battery Commander told Cat Killer negative and return to home plate and shake Ho Chi Min’s hand. What we were able to come to the conclusion is Cat Killer 11 censed the round in adjustment and sent that as a correction and FFE.

  50. Responding to Bill McBride. Covey was the army O-1 call in early 68. Also, Tom Pilch lived above me in the Hue Compound sometime the last half of 68 when I came off A1.

    • the FACs who supported our team in 1967 and until i rotated home in May 1968 used the call sign “Cat Killer.”

      H.G. Reza
      RTO, Phong Dien 67-68

      • The morning of the Tet offensive ’68, I was on the radio at 1st ARVN Div in Hue’; I got a call from Cat Killer 22 saying Sappers were blowing up the planes and hutches at Hue’ Cit airport…. That was the beginning of Tet for a 20 year old with 3 weeks in county.”

  51. Hey Barry, I was the senior advisor with 3/54 in 68/69. Sid Colley was on my team. He was a soldier’s soldier. Did you know him?

    • He was in the USMC. Combined Action Platoon 3-4-3. The leader of the CAP was a LCpl D.L. Williams. He was wounded 4/15/70, died 4/17/70 on the USS Sanctuary.

  52. My name is Jason Adkins. I was born Jason Kitchens. My father was Frank McCrary Kitchens and was killed in April of 1970 in the Thua Thien Province of Vietnam. Can anyone remember him and divulge any information about him? My mother became pregnant while they were on R&R in Hawaii. I was born in December of 1970. My mother became a mother and a widow at the age of 18. Just looking for some info! Thanks!

    • I was an Australian Advisor with 2nd Bn, 2nd Regt at Dong Ha in 1970/71 and was checking out Team 19 Quang Tri for info when I saw the following regards a Capt Kitchen. Hope it may help you.
      Barry Long (WO2)

      Richard D Johnson permalink

      May 12, 2015 9:39 pm

      I was transferred to MACV Team 4 in Mar 68 from the MACV Hue TM where I was stationed in Feb,and sent to Riverview in Quang Tri City on the River. My first commander was Major Moore and then in late 68 Col Moore. A Capt Kitchen was there in early March and April and an Australian Mr Perkins. I spent my whole year in the field with the first ARVN Regiment, I was a PFC then and remember operations in Hai Lang, A Shua Valley. Left in 68 as an E-5

      • Barry, are you in contact with Dick Powell, Aussie WO who was assigned to our team at Phong Dien? He rotated home in 1968 soon after the Tet Offensive. If so, can you tell me how he’s doing? Thanks.

        H.G. Reza
        RTO, Phong Dien 67-68

  53. I arrived in Nam on August 67 until Aug 68. I was a RTO assigned to the Hue side. the first few months I was not assigned to a unit so I went out with different units. Later I was assigned to the village of Nam Hoa. My commanding officer was an aussie and also the warrant officer. We had a team of 5 and we stayed at the village. Once in a while we come into the MACV compound. We were in the compound during the Tet Offensive.

    • steve m . were you possibly in our bunker [behind our hootch ]on the perimeter? we were mostly rto’s a few enlisted men who worked at 1st arvn division. by the way there was an e6 sgt lester [something like signals nco] blum. any memory of him

  54. Another place to interact with Team 3 members is with our facebook group called: Military Assistance Command Vietnam (MACV) Team 3. We are starting to get some good photographs and interactions. Feel free to join us.

    • With the G2, 1st Div from Jan 67 – Nov 67. Served with the Recon Company when they lost their Aussie Advisor, WIA. Lots of pics of the area and compound, etc. Recon pics are all slides, need to change them over to CD. Would love to hear about our ARVN friends. Bob Stuler.

  55. I knew Sgt. Alvarado and I remember he was in Thua Thien Province. I believe at one time he mentioned to me that the reason he stayed in Vietnam for so long was because he did not have that much family in the states. He really was a nice guy.

    • Sgt. Alvarado was from Texas, my home state. He had a girlfriend in Saigon, which was the main reason why he kept extending. I had lunch with him in Oct. 2001. He married his Vietnamese girlfriend, and they lived on a farm just north of Escondido, Ca. He and his wife grew vegetables and fruits that they sold at Vietnamese markets. I called him a few weeks later and got a message that the number had been disconnected. I never saw or heard from him again. When I saw him he was wearing a straw hat, faded jeans, very scuffed work boots and a flannel shirt, looking every bit like the farmer he was and nothing like the soldier I remembered.

      H.G. Reza
      RTO, Phong Dien 67-68

    • I never worked on the ARVN 1st Inf. Division side. I was assigned to Thua Thien Sector. A number of new RTOs were broken in on the Sector side, working at hqs for a while, when I arrived in May 1967. Some of these guys ended up with ARVN units. Sgt. Alberto Alvarado mentored many of the RTOs, including me, at Sector. Alvarado was on his 3rd tour in 67. He already had a Silver Star and at least one PH.

    • N.Rodriquez—I know how you feel. It’s been great to find men who were with Team 3 and knew about Hue and PK-17. I had a hard time finding any body except SFC Elmer Denton when I got back. “Dent” died in 1976 or ’77 and I didn’t try too hard after that until the mid ’80’s when I found SSGT Herman Wiggins (a Marine) in 1987. I found Col. Fair some years later and kept in touch with him until his death a few years ago. I kept in touch with Lt Gen Richard Stillwell from 1996 til he died, he was a solder’s soldier. In Nam we were on friendly terms, he called me “Chuck” and I called him “Yes Sir, General”. I’m in contact with Major James Shillinglaw as well as now Gunny Wiggins on a regular basis.

      • After I left Vietnam and saw the treatment Vietnam Vets were getting by society and the government I turned to isolation and avoidance and I did not kept with any one from Nam. I came across the MACV website by chance and read some of the comments and I decided to make a comment. I am glad I found the website and read some of the comments of people that were on team 3.

      • Capt. Thurmond, doing some research and came across this. Seeing your reference to Dad (SFC Elmer Denton) took my breath a bit. We think of you frequently and hope you are well. So appreciate the effort you made to tell us some of Dad’s story. It has been so log since May 15th 1981 when we lost him, but memories are still sweet. Thank you,
        Sandy (Denton) Smith

  56. I am not sure whether I know you but for some reason your name if I am recalling correctly sounds familiar. Since is over 45 years I never thought of making contact with anyone from Hue MACV advisory team. I was very friendly with Vazquez the marine at the main gate and also I knew most of the marines from marine security. Vazquez was hit the first night of the Tet offensive and I did not see him again.

  57. I stayed at PK 17 a few weeks when Major Morales was assigned as the commanding officer and also went on a few patrols with them. After that another radio operator was assigned to them. I am not sure if the RO last name was Sanford.

    • I remember your team and Major Morales. You guys were on an operation with an ARVN unit from PK 17 in Co Bi Than Tan. Our PF company from Phong Dien secured the east end of the river on the last day so you guys could make a safe crossing and return home. I also remember the time that your team was trying to reach the marine unit at Camp Evans. They had changed call signs and they weren’t responding. I called and asked your guy (maybe it was you) to “go high” to the alternate frequency and cryptically gave you the new call sign, which was John Brown.I was the RTO at Phong Dien. I’m glad you found this site. There’s only a few of us from 67-68 here.

    • It is interesting that you mention Major Morales. When I arrived in Dec 67, I was assigned as senior advisor to 3rd Bn, 3rd Regt. Major Morales was the Regimental Senior Advisor and was based at PK 17. He remained in that position until maybe July or August when he was replaced by LTC Fair. I got promoted out of my job as Bn Advisor and served as the regimental staff advisor at PK 17 under both Maj Morales and LTC Fair.

      • I think Major Morales left early Aug, not sure I met him while I was with the Recondo company (Night Owls). I remember 4th of July night while on ambush south of PK-17, a near by fire base, can’t remember which one, I can’t find my patrol book from that time, opened up with every thing they had at 12 midnight. We could hear Maj. Morales on the radio wanting to know what was going on. We were set up in a grave yard and had enough cover but it was hair raising. About 3 minutes after the shooting stopped a VC ran into our ambush wide open- we thought that he and his buddies had attacked the fire base but found out later that the FB was just celebrating the 4th. Never did find out what the VC had been up to.


  58. Hey Tom, I was a mail clerk for awhile also, along with being a gate guard perimeter guard, bunker guard, and general jack of all trades. I was at Eagle on an extension of my tour. Before that I was with the 196th Infantry Brigade near DaNang and the 1st Aviation Brigade down around the Bien Hue area. There was a Sgt Rice at Eagle who was an orderly room Sgt we were friends. Had another buddy named Shepperd only new him by Shep. He extended also was sent to Quong Tri, with the 3rd ARVN Division. Never heard from since.


  59. Chuck Thurmond,
    You should read the book “Easter Offensive”, by Gerald Turley, Col., USMCR, Ret.

    • Robert,
      I came in while you were on leave and took over as advisor to the Recon company. They were a great bunch. Tough and reliable. I heard about your stay in the moat, I was billeted along the wall not far from the throne room. I wondered then how you kept from being eaten alive by leeches and mosquitos. The answer is that it probably was a close thing. I’m glad you made it. It’s good to see your post. I’ve really enjoyed reading the posts here by people who I either knew or at least knew the area and the ARVNs there. Almost all of the ARVN’s I knew were killed in ’72.’73 or ’75. One or two that I met from the Hoc Bao were in Falls Church when I went to Harry’s book signing. Of course I knew Gen. Troung and Harry but few of the lt.’s, Captains and Majors survived the war. I didn’t know that Harry Hue was alive until I met with Gen Luong in 1996. I was shocked to say the least, and almost as surprised that they remembered me, a lowly 1Lt.
      Take care and God bless you


      • hello chuck, any others who might have info:

        i’m bill mcbride, usmc ret. i was with 3rd recon bn, 3rd mar div. i was patrol leader of one of two patrols inserted into the southern ashau on 1 august 1967. this was in support of a joint usmc/arvn operation (operation cloud). the operation was cancelled by cg 3 MAF before it started, partially due to wx and partially because both our patrols were hit pretty badly.

        i have notes from the bn. cdr and the op order for “cloud”. in the task org. it lists the hoc bao company as being the arvn component, and indicated that the advisor was a wo/cwo from new zealand.

        any idea who this might have been?



      • steve malamud ,i was an rto 1 st arvn division and spent much time in the field with hoc bao and the reconassaince company. i was awarded a beret by each unit. i made some pretty stupid mistakes along the way but casualties were pretty low. i remember dai wee hue very well

    • Col. Robert E. Tschan. I showed Dad SgtMaj Richard Weyand USMC your post, and he was trying to place you with the dates you listed for Hoc Bao team 3. Dad worked with and Replaced Jim Coolican. He was with team 3 from 67-69 and with Hoc Bao as the Assist Sr Advisor from 68-69 around the dates you mentioned. But as he said 45 years later it is difficult to remember all the names. He didn’t recognize your name. maybe you guys crossed in transit. He was a Marine as well

      • hello pat…i posted this. would you ask your dad about it? i also served with jim coolican and will try and contact him

        “hello chuck, any others who might have info:

        i’m bill mcbride, usmc ret. i was with 3rd recon bn, 3rd mar div. i was patrol leader of one of two patrols inserted into the southern ashau on 1 august 1967. this was in support of a joint usmc/arvn operation (operation cloud). the operation was cancelled by cg 3 MAF before it started, partially due to wx and partially because both our patrols were hit pretty badly.

        i have notes from the bn. cdr and the op order for “cloud”. in the task org. it lists the hoc bao company as being the arvn component, and indicated that the advisor was a wo/cwo from new zealand.

        any idea who this might have been?”



      • Pat Weyand,
        Your Dad’s name is familiar, but I can’t place him.
        I was the Sr. Advisor to the 1st ARVN Div. Recon Co.–different unit from the Hoc Bao (Black Panthers).
        Your dad must have been replaced by (then) Capt. Roger Wellbrook, USMC.
        Jim Colligan was awarded the Navy Cross for his actions @ the Hue MACV compound on the first night of “Tet”.
        Jim and I were classmates @ the USMC Command & Staff College, ’78-79.
        He retired as a Col., USMC, but I do not know where he is now.
        Semper Fi,
        Bob Tschan

    • semper fi

      hello robert,

      i left this post in multiple places on the blog. any help appreciated. thanks

      “hello chuck, any others who might have info:

      i’m bill mcbride, usmc ret. i was with 3rd recon bn, 3rd mar div. i was patrol leader of one of two patrols inserted into the southern ashau on 1 august 1967. this was in support of a joint usmc/arvn operation (operation cloud). the operation was cancelled by cg 3 MAF before it started, partially due to wx and partially because both our patrols were hit pretty badly.

      i have notes from the bn. cdr and the op order for “cloud”. in the task org. it lists the hoc bao company as being the arvn component, and indicated that the advisor was a wo/cwo from new zealand.

      any idea who this might have been?



      • Bill Mcbride,
        Sorry, but I can’t help. I was with the 2nd Bn, 1st ARVN Regt. @ Dong Ha in August ’67. I do know that the Sr. Advisor to the Hoc Bao during “Tet” was (then) Capt. Jim Colligan, but I don’t know if he was the Sr. Advisor in August.
        Semper Fi, Bob Tschan

  60. Sorry I missed both of your post. I have been offline for quite so time. I’m sure I knew you Gary as I worked at TOC off of the compound, and went through the gate daily. I recall your name Tom, you were Lt or Cpt Coleman I think, seems like you were in TOC also. Yes 1st Sgt Decker was there the whole time is was, the CO was Col Dickerson, and at one time Col Muller (or Mueller). My immediate CO’s were CW4 Clark & Maj Shaffer, our NCOIC was SSG Ashley. I remember the Mess Sgt was SFC Tyson, and the Supply Sgt was Sgt Dasher. Had an Lt Pappas that worked near me in TOC. I can’t recall many enlisted names like myself because we almost all had nicknames like Spider, Red, Countryboy, etc. Glad you both found this site. I came to Hue Dec 71, moved to Camp Eagle with Team 3, and stayed until Nov 72. Take Care ALL !

  61. I’ve really enjoyed reading the posts on this site. I’ve found out what happened to a couple of people that I once knew and read other people’s accounts of their experiences. They are both similar and different at the same time-not confusing if you understand that some things are the same for soldiers regardless of circumstances yet personal factors make each story a little different. God bless each and everyone of you. We were a “different breed of men” who for the most part at least, were volunteers. We enter acted with an alien culture and through it all survived to tell our stories. I’d love to see a book written about American Advisors by someone who really knew about being one. Andrew Wiess wrote a very good book about Harry Hue. I tried to get him to write about Advisors but he was burnt out after doing Hue’s story. Maybe one day he;ll get around to doing it. I just hope there’s enough of us left to make sure it is on target.

    Chuck Thurmond
    “Delta Whiskey”
    Team 3
    Sub Team 65

  62. Chuck,

    One of my favorite “explanations” of “language in general” and how it functions: “Language is like a river; it goes where it will.” Or as Don Quixote is “quoted”: “I know what I’m saying” (even though nobody else does). Ah, the frustration of it all–one wants what one learns from a book or from a native speaker to be “correct,” and it ain’t necessarily so. My Spanish is that of Madrid; I always gotta remember that when I go elsewhere in the Hispanic world. Case in point is how you say “You catch the bus” at that corner or wherever. In my dialect, what’s perfectly normal and innocent doesn’t work so well in Argentina, where what my dialect uses would describe performing a sexual act with a bus that is unlikely at best–and, as you suggest above, an occasion for all those involved to have a hearty laugh at your expense.
    Too bad that we draftees couldn’t have had some language training before the trip to the Nam–woulda made the “hearts and minds” part of it a whole lot more effective. If you can speak with a person in his/her own language, you are going to see/treat that person as a PERSON and not as an object–well, in most cases, anyway. I’m not at all proud of losing my cool when trying to communicate with the Vietnamese, which happened way too often.
    So what’s “correct” language? It’s what is used to communicate in the place where you want to use the language. So I understand that, right? Not that easy. I watch a lot of soccer on TV now that it’s available–the announcers for the channel that carries the Spanish league work out of Miami, Florida, and they speak a dialect that drives me up the wall. The idea of throwing English words into one’s speech comes up often, and Spanish words take on uses which they’ve never had in Spanish a bit more isolated from the English world. Ah, globalization.
    Anyway, I ramble on.

    Keep on keepin’ on,


      • I would like to see the picture of Lars Husted. He worked for me. I picked his body up Easter Sunday 1969. He was a good man!

      • Rob,
        I haven’t figured out how to post photos on this site yet or even if they can be, send me an e-mail at
        Lars and I went to OCS together, it really hurt when he died. If Fran Delaney happens to read this, I have one photo of Bill Garrison in country -we went to OCS together. I also have a photo of Fran and Lars made in Da Nang went we were there in June ’68

        If anyone from Team 18 (PF’s) reads this I have a photo of your philosophical musing that was posted on your cupboard. Do you remember “Man cannot live by bread alone—“?
        Anybody remember the Pagoda along the Song Hu’ong?, also printed on the back of the photo is “Chua Linh Mu. I’ve forgotten what Vietnamese I knew, even though I once spoke it pretty well.

  63. Thanks–sounds like it could be the same guy. He popped into my memory as I thought more and more about the summer of 1969 in the A Shau.

    • Travis,
      I was the Sr. Advisor to the ARVN Bn. that was the first unit to occupy A-1. SFC Green was the Sr. NCO on my team. I was there temporarily because the actual Sr. Advisor to that Bn. had been medevaced out to have sand removed from his eye. I do not recall the exact dates (I was only there for about 36 days).
      Were you there when the Naval Gunfire Spot team’s bunker and the Advisor’s bunker both took direct hits from NVA Artillery? I was and so was SFC Green. One of the rounds detonated directly under the rack I had just left.
      The two Army F.O.’s–1st Lt. and A Sgt. were killed–along with I think, two Marines from the NGFS Team. SFC Green and I had to carry the dead and wounded to the medevac zone, w/o any help from the ARVN!! In fact, while we were doing that, the ARVN entered our blown up bunker and stole our gear, cigarettes and all!!
      We must have met, or passed in the night!
      Semper Fi,
      Bob Tschan

      • Old age can mess up my memory of the sequence of events . I arrived VN 5 days before Tet broke and the same day I Corps HQ was attacked, hung around Da Nang for a few days and the flew around Hue To Quang Tri because, I think, the Hue Compound was still cut off or nearly so. Truck from QT to Dong Ha and the a Marine chopper to A1. I don’t recall who the Sr Advisor was because the SA at the fire base north of DH was wounded and I was pulled out to go there. It was during that period we met briefly as we were going into the fight. I was in another fight with about 12 KIA and 20-30 WIA south of where we met.

        At some point I returned via DH, MC tracks and a night march across the dunes back to A1 until mid to late May after what now seems to be informally named “the battle of DH”. Worked for COL Georga Atkisson and then Harry Heistand, 1st Arvn SA. I was not a very good pseudo-aide and talked my way into the Hac Bao for the last 3-4 months of my tour. I think I followed Jim C

        Thanks for reading

        Travis Kirkland

        Sent from my iPad


      • COL Tschan,

        The Arty FO killed on 03 Feb 1968 on A-1 was Stephen
        Brooks Murden. His RTO, also killed that day, was PFC Carl Dingus.
        Murden and Dingus went up there 01 Dec 1967.

        The first ARVN outfit to occupy A-1 was 1st Battalion ARVN Airborne,
        who secured the site while it was being built starting in the fall of ’67
        by ARVN Engineers and while the 2d Regt 1st ARVN was sent to Dong
        Da training center near PhuBai to re-arm with the M16 and other more
        modern weaponry than the vintage WWII arms they’d been using up to
        that time. The battalion main was at Hill 23 to the SE towards Cua Viet
        while the forward company was in the dunes to the north of A-1,
        accompanied by myself and 2 Marine snipers from the 25th or 26th

        I was Murden’s recon sgt, but I was in DH that day. I’m trying to remember
        the Navy LT (O-3) that was on Hill 31 in Nov/Dec 1967. There were others
        lost there in May ’68 (L/CPL Zobell, USMC 1ST ANGLICO, SGT Dave
        Lemcke,Arty and CPL Brent Jones Arty. Some of the other Marines there
        were Barry Nace, Jimmy Krystinak, CPL Nash, SSG Holcomb, L/CPL
        Tim Sheely, L/CPL Hoover, SGT Jones, There were more that I can’t

        There were so many NVA getting past us in the spring of ’68 that we
        finally got LTC Vu Van Giai (2d Regt CO) to authorize a free fire zone
        in the valley to the west between A-1 and Gio Linh which greatly
        facilitated our operations.

        I finally got back there in 2011 to help locate Dave Lemcke’s remains.
        He had been carried MIA since ’68. It took us about five hours to find
        him and initiate his return to the USA. The jeep ride down QL1 from
        DaNang took longer than that, I swear.

  64. Chuck,
    Really enjoyed your last post, especially the symbolic burying of the hatchet. And, of course, reading of how well you were treated when you went back to the Nam. Got to admit, I’m in awe of your courage at the mine field. I’m envious of the fact that, as you mentioned in another post, you spoke some Vietnamese. Although I’m a lifelong language learner (Spanish, Portuguese, French) and teacher (Spanish), I was limited to the worst pidgin Vietnamese-English when I was there–cat kai dou, die wie, Truong tau, dien kai dou, GI dee-dee Hoa Kee mo fuch no comeback, and the ilk. Knowing a bit of the language would have been a huge morale booster.
    Wonder if you’ve run across the novels of Tim O’Brien. My wife gave me one for Christmas: “The Things They Carried.” Very good. Now looking for others in our local library–found “Going After Cacciato”–my wife read it; I haven’t had a chance yet; didn’t find the poignantly named “If I Die in a Combat Zone, Box Me Up and Send Me Home.” Never heard that particular marching song in training, but there were some others that were close. Tim O’Brien could have been me with regard to age, situation when drafted, future plans, etc. I was a lot luckier than he was in where I ended up in Nam, but the similarities in our situations were many.
    All of this brings back more and more memories of people and places. I suddenly flashed on a tall African-American NCO who went out with the CA to Hamburger Hill when it was decided we really needed it after all in July or August of ’69. Can’t come up with his name for sure–perhaps his last name was “Green.” Ring any bells?


    • Alan,

      I was taught Vietnamese by a beautiful young lady at Ft Gordon, even got a proficiency award. To my surprise, when I got to VN some of the language I had learned was wrong. How could such a beautiful woman do me that way? Turns out she forgot to tell my class that she was from NORTH Vietnam. Lots of difference sometimes. Reminded me of a friend back in DC when I was with the FBI (I took a leave of absence to join the Army.) He was a Puerto Rican who spent part of his teenage years in New York and the rest in Miami, Fla. I would listen to him talk for a minute or two (he could really say a lot in that amount of time) then ask his wife what had he said. Anyway, I gradually picked up the correct words.
      when the Viets didn’t know the right English words they would switch to French, then Vietnamese when their vocabulary ran out, I started doing the same in reverse-Vietnamese, French then English. That kind of messed up my Vietnamese because we did it so often that it became second nature. It caused a lot of consternation when we were around people who didn’t know what we were doing! And of course, soldiers being soldiers, they taught me a lot of slang-not always the correct words either. That caused some panic among Vietnamese waitresses at first. My Viet officers thought it was hilarious, actually it was. Not to be outdone I returned the favor.
      As for the mine field, I had good training in AIT on mines and minefields, God bless old brown shoe Sgt’s who taught me a lot about mines, explosives, weapons and such. I went to Red Stone Arsenal when I came home, another strange story-never ask a friend who can’t read the terrain on maps to get you a posting as close to home as possible. It was 5 hrs and 30 mins to Ft Benning from home and he said it was much closer to Red Stone -turned out to be 10 mins closer, but worse roads. An old SSgt there told me to not worry about the Russians, that they were about done, “but look out for the damn Arabs”. I thought at the time he was a “little off” as we sometimes say around here. How he knew I don’t know. He also said that we (the US) had given Israel 200 of the nuclear shells for the special cannons that had been made to fire them but couldn’t get them to go far enough away to keep from killing the cannoneers. They were supposed to keep the Russians from coming through the gap into Germany I believe. We had a lot of weird things at Red Stone.More about that later.


  65. I have formed a Facebook Group titled: Military Assistance Command Vietnam (MACV) Team 3. We are starting to get a few members and some good photos. We welcome all Team 3 members.

  66. Chuck,
    Was very interested in what you said in the last message–sounds as though you really got the run-around. Not interested in helping those who might have had the most exposure? Surreal, but I’ve heard stories about that before . . . Feel deeply your pain about your third son and everything you’ve been through. Would be very interested in hearing about your return to the Nam. Some of the other stories I’ve read on here tell what happened to places where I was–PK 17, I believe I read, became a cement factory . . . I remember back then thinking that the A Shau Valley was hauntingly beautiful, and knowing that I’d never forget it. I was never a photo taker, but Doc Bridges, medic at Doezema Compound, knew I’d been out there (at FSB’s, never, thank goodness, in the boonies) and gave me a photo he’d taken; afraid it got lost in the shuffle of the years . . .
    Look forward to hearing more,


    • Alan,

      Went to see American Sniper tonight with my grandson. A buddy of mine who did 3 tours in Iraq before an IED got the truck he was driving, just happened to sit down right behind Mike and recognized us. Excellent movie. It will do more for the current war vets than anything I’ve seen. We needed something like that when we came back. It will actually help our generation too I think because it makes war experiences real as well as how we felt when we came home.
      Charlie and I sat and talked for 2 hours after the movie (at my house). It helped him to have someone he could open up to.
      I was a little concerned about going back in ’94, I went with a Vietnamese friend and her Vietnamese husband. I don’t know if you knew or not but all advisors had a $600.00 or more wanted dead or alive reward on their head. I saw a pamphlet 2 months before I came home that offered more than that for me. I had gone into a mine field to rescue a Viet private who somehow made it about 20 yards into the field before he triggered a “bouncing betty”. When I realized he was still alive I went in after him, pinning 9 and bypassing 11 more. A completely nuts Viet Lt followed me in handing me safety pins, etc until we ran out then marked the cleared path with tea bush limbs. The boy died shortly after I got him out but I couldn’t leave him once I saw he was still alive. Did not mean to go into that but I wanted to tell you why the enemy wanted me so bad-“gaining hearts and minds” stuff. Anyway, I did not know if the reward was still good or not. I ‘d need a whole page to tell you about just going through the airport, it is funny now. They knew who I was when I got off the plane. To shorten this up, I was treated with honor and respect the whole time I was there (3 weeks). I took $1000.00 with me but could have come home with most of it. I didn’t have to buy anything, just making it known that I was hungry, thirsty or tired was all that was needed. The Vietnamese government provided a van to transport us wherever we wanted to go, no restrictions. I kept waiting for the shoe to drop, and my Vn friends were totally confused by the way I was treated, (they had to pay for whatever they wanted except for the van rides). About 5 days into the trip one of the City officials at Can Tho explained it to me. He said that they respected the soldiers that had worked with the ARVN’s and those who were “honorable” enemies but that they despised the war protestors and politicians.
      Sounds like us doesn’t it? Even old enemies have a lot in common. I met some ARVNs and they were still having a hard time of it. I litterly buried the hatchet while I was there. I had made a wooden tomahawk before going over for that purpose IF I felt like it. I ended my war on that trip. I still hate communism but don’t hate my old enemies anymore, actually I pity them. They are a very unhappy people, many living on the edge of starvation, horrible health care and more repressed than you’d think now the war is over for so long. They like Americans and hate the Russians, don’t trust the Chinese.
      By the way, I was told that most of the VC still alive after the war were killed off by the NVA, an old Chinese proverb “Once a traitor, always a traitor”. The VC also had a stupid idea that the North would share power with them after the war.
      Sorry that I let it “all hang out”, but I guess seeing the movie made me want to tell someone about my experiences.
      Take care,


  67. Chuck,
    What you tell me in your latest is very interesting to me; I know what you’re talking about in regard to AO. We were contacted in about 1981 by an organization that tracked use of AO in Nam and those vets who had been in the places it was used. One of the places was FSB Geronimo, in the low hills just outside Hue (imagine you’re familiar with the name if not the place), where I spent part of June/July 1969 as night RTO. They said the Huey was spraying for mosquitoes; maybe so but maybe it was “something else.” At any rate, I had an “impossible” cataract appear on my right eye at age 29–all the eye doctors said it was “impossible” that I could have a cataract . . . My son had a weird bone anomaly, luckily minor, that we often wondered about, and two years ago I was diagnosed with prostate cancer that I’ve been fighting since–my story is happier thus far than those of our mutual friends, in that I’ve had wonderful medical care and the cancer seems to be in remission to the extent that I’ve been given the OK to go off Lupron (Leoprolide)–google it; it’s not lots of fun as far as side effects go, especially fatigue and “hot flashes” (I kid you not).
    Would be glad to hear more of your stories/history.
    Feel just awful about Herm and Jim. As a low-ranking conscript I especially appreciated officers like Jim–he treated me like a person.

    • Alan,
      I understand about side effects of medicine, sometimes they are as bad as the condition they are supposed to be treating. My third son, Matt, died from multiple birth defects related to “A O” and my other two have had some back problems all their life. I got clued down to the VA in Decatur in the late 70’s or early 80’s for tests. As I said, as soon as they realized that I hadn’t been a enlisted man under the grade of E-5 they told me to go home. In the mean time they had handed me a pack of questions, 10 questions or so to the page, 5 or 6 pages thick. They meant for me to fill out the 1st page -name, etc, but the man’s phone rang just as he handed it to me. I was on the 4th page answering some very good questions, when he realized that I was looking at the other questions. He got upset and took them back. I should have kept it because whoever developed the questions knew what to ask. Some of the questions were where was I, did I know what type of spray was used in my area, Orange, Blue, Green, etc., how many times did I get sprayed, did I have any unusual symptoms while in Nam or since I came home. There was a lot more that would have been good evidence for AO claims. I don’t know if this same questioneer (Sp)
      was used for long or not. I got A O update pamphlets for 30 years but was never contacted again about my exposure. They knew about the dangers of AO back in the 50’s right after it was developed in Germany. My understanding is that the German company that developed it sold the patent to an American company. It’s use in Germany was prohibited.
      By the way I went back to VN in 1994. I’ll tell that story some other time.


  68. Wow, thanks Chuck. Sorry to hear about Herm’s medical problem. Very interested in the story of your batboy. And as to being with just one other or no other Team members–I was at FSB Berchtesgaden as our only representative for a couple or three weeks. Capt. Lapolla was down at Currahee all by himself, at least as far as Team 3 went–I radioed him when we were under assault one night and he responded: “Oh my gosh! Don’t do anything silly! Stay safe!” or the equivalent thereof. My reply: “Don’t worry, I won’t!” I was also on my own at Currahee for a good bit of August that year, running resupplies to the officers in the field, one of whom was Major Shillinglaw, and another of whom was Capt. Lapolla at different times.

    • Alan, still haven’t heard back from Jim. He has some trouble with parkinson’s disease. Herm also has bone cancer as well as failing kidneys. Both are related to Agent Orange. Actually in our area they sprayed A O, Agent Blue (40% arsenic), and Agent Green, and who knows what else. The first time I can remember being sprayed was the day we moved up to LZ Miguel. A large AF tanker came over low and wet us like it was a heavy rainstorm. The men on Miguel said that it happened from time to time. I’ve had cancer 3 times, not counting skin cancers, and a couple of other things the Aussies claim AO causes but the VA doesn’t recognize. They’re way ahead of us with more than 50 things classified as being AO related. I signed up with the VA in the late ’70’s or early ’80’s, can’t remember exactly when now, but they dropped me when someone realized that I had been an officer over there. They claimed that only E-‘s and below could participate in the study. ? Maybe because I could relate details of where and when disqualified me. I still have several operation maps from covering from the ocean to the border of Laos, plus an Air Force Escape and Evasion map of both North and South Vietnam that I traded for early on. It’s water proof and folds up fairly small. It was the only “unnecessary” thing I carried in my back pack. Maybe we can swap photos by e-mail sometime. I still haven’t figured out how to post a photo on Facebook yet. Probably have to get one of my younger grandchildren to show me how.
      More later.

  69. @Chuck Thurmond:

    Chuck, you don’t know me–I’m Alan Kalter; I was a PFC/Sp4 RTO with Team 3 in 1969-1970. I was interested in your message because of the mention of two of the Team 3 members with whom I worked in 1969: Major Jim Shillinglaw, with whom I spent time at FSB Airborne until he went to the field sometime in July or August. We were the only two MACV personnel at Airborne at the time. Before I went to the Valley with Major Shillinglaw, I spent part of July at PK17, where Herm Wiggins was in charge; I remember watching the first moonwalk there with Herm on 20 July. Did you know Captain Michael Lapolla? He may have arrived at Team 3 after you left.

    • Alan,

      I’ve left a message with Jim re you and acouple of others that he should remember.. Once he gives me permission I’ll send you his e-mail and try to get him on this site. Herm has dialisis 3 times a week so I won’t call him til this weekend. Hopefully both of them will join this site. I’m not surprised that only the two of you at FSB Airborne, Herm and I were off by ourselves several times with no other As or Aus personel anywhere nearby. I sometimes went out with ARVN companies all by myself when we were short handed. I spoke passable Vietnamese at that time and had my own batboy who usually went with me. Yoi was assigned to me in August sort as a joke because when I first joined the 2nd company for a mission he was confined in a very small barbed wire cage. I took one look at him and asked why he was being held like that and they said he was caught awol from his Vietnamese marine unit. I said jokingly that nobody should be blamed for getting out of the marines. An hour or so he came to me and said that he was to be my batboy. I thought he was kidding but he wasn’t. Turned out he was a good soldier, just home sick-his family lived in Hue. He had been stationed in Da Nang. He served as a cook, body guard and interpeter until I left to go home. At that time “Harry” Hue took him to be his batboy and bodyguard. Yoi was killed during the 1972 offensive. Didn’t mean to run on like that but old memories are flooding back, it feels good to have someone to “talk” to who’s been there and knows the area.
      I didn’t know Cpat. Lapolla.
      Take care,


    • Unfortunately, no. Don’t know if he spelled “rope” right or not, he misspelled Weyand. No more mention of names, the entries skip from 30 Jan to July 21st to July 23. He made no entries from then until giving it to me. Perhaps he had another book or two. I had 3 while with Sub-team 65.

  70. Chuck good to hear from you. Dad was so suprised that you had Tony’s patrol book. It was great to meet you in V.A
    Pat Weyand

  71. I have a photo of a radio operator assigned to Hoc Bao team 3 around mid 68. Not sure on his name I can send it out if someone may be able to identify

  72. Mr. Kirkland, do you recall a man by the last name of Rudde , Rudd, or Rouge. HE would have been there around the time you and dad were about the time of TET. I have a photo of He , Dad and Phil Kane. I tried to blow up the photo to read the name tag and the combination of the three names above is what I came up with. Dad swears that the Guys last name was Rudd. The name tag on the uniform looks like Rouge. Thanks for your time.

  73. Travis Kirkland. The big blond guy Richard (Dick Weyand). Is my dad. He was looking for a photo of you that he thought he had. He was with team 3. 67-69. With 68-69 with the Hoc Bao. Hope all is well. I have posted most of his photos from that time on the team 3 facebook page maybe you can identify some of them. Merry Christmas everyone

  74. Let me put a few names in the site in hopes of knowing more about them.

    When I was on A-1 and C-4 I think it was (north of Dong Ha) is saw with a SSG Roy Holcomb and Australian WO Merve Cranston.. Also an SFC Green. For a time there was a Marine Captain Jack Wallace I A-1 but the advisor on C-4 was wounded and I moved there. Major Costnatin was the ranking officer in Dong Ha. Nerve Cranston died several years ago in Aaustralia.

    There was a team chief at A-2 whose name I do not recall at the moment.

    I recall a senior NCO I think named Weyand but think the association was short. Big blond guy as I recall but that is very iffy. Sorry I can’t recall more. Will go thru pics when I return from holidays.

    As for me, arrived in VN in late Jan, 68 and went directly to A-1, then C-4 and then back to A-1. April and May was what some of us called Second Tet but have seen called the Battle Of Dong Ha. Was there until sometime in May and went to a battalion training in Phu Bi. Shortly after that went to work for Col Adkission in Hue. Begged out of that job to go with the Hac Bao for the last Parton my tour. BTW, the commander of the Hac Bao was captured in Laos or Cambodia, re-educated and finally came to America with his wife and two daughters.

    I will try to recall other names and put them on the site

  75. Hi Gary, I apologize for being a dinosaur but I do not belong to any social media and I have no idea how to get your email address unless you give it to me. I’ve noticed that no one puts their address out there for anyone to see. Is that a problem?

    Likewise, I want to find a way to reach Joel Weisberg – offline- so that we might discuss lunch with Frank White. We’ll travel to central PA. Frank sends his best.

    • Lunch with you and Frank would be great. I am at my son’s law firm most days. You can reach me there. Our number is 717-238-5707.

    • My phone number is 740-835-1925. Give me a call when you get the opportunity. My son, Ryan Roberts, lives in Harrisburg. If you guys get together perhaps I could join you and work in a visit with my son.

    • Hello Angelo. Please e-mail me. I was at MACV at about the same time, I worked with Captain Weisberg and Captain White in G-2. I am on facebook also.

  76. Angelo, dad remembers Kirkland from his time with the battalion. don’t think they were close but he remembers him. He is looking for a photo.

  77. Hey Joel, sure has been too long. See Frank once a year to break bread but speak with him more often. Don’t know if you are still in the Harrisburg area because we get to Carlisle quite often. Let’s meet. Happy Holidays. Remember that picture I gave to you?

    • I am in Mount Joy between Harrisburg and Lancaster. Do let me know when you are in the area and say hi to Frank for me.

    • Thanks for the response. There was also a USMC Doug Perry. Don’t think he was with team 3 though. The Facebook page for Team 3 is starting to evolve, check it out. Thanks again

  78. Just found the site. My name is Angelo Romeo and I was the Deputy Compound Commander under Majors Webb, Williams, and Perry from June 68 – May 69. Also ran the Clubs. Have been in recent contact with Steve Mettler, Travis Kirkland, and Frank White. Saw Joel Weisberg years ago. Retired from civilian life after serving as Director of Veterans Affairs for Gloucester County, NJ, and a stint as Director of Veterans Pensions and Benefits for the State of New Jersey. Welcome Home to All.

    • Hi Angelo. Been too long. I tried to find a few of you folks recently and had no luck. Last I remember Frank White was working for AMTRAK. That was many years ago. Anyone know anything about my old roommate Frank LaNasa?

  79. Jack look for me on faceboom patrick weyand Or gary. The page that gary has is hard to find I think it has to do with his settings.

    You must have came to the team after my father left. Dad left in 69. He and merv were close . I will ask him tomorrow about the ither mans name. He may not know it since I think I know most if the names of the american Hoc Bao dad wad with. Hope this helps find the page

  80. My Grandfather was part of ADV team 3 and was a casualty in 1966, CPT David Devers. Looking for anyone that may have know anything about him. — SFC Williams

  81. The team 3 facebook page seemed difficult. To find. Easiest way for anyone to get onto the page is to send someone who is a member a message a friend request and then they should be able to add you. I think the page may have originally been set up as a private page. So send gary roberts or I a friend request / or anyone else that you know is a member of the page and they should be able to add you.

  82. For those. Of you on the Team 3 site. In conversing with others that served on team 3 durring Tet. Some members were unaware that the unit had been awarded the Presidential Unit Citation. Just doing research on the units my dad served on. And trying to understand more.
    Take care
    Pat Weyand

  83. Greetings. I am an active-duty Army chaplain who is doing some research on Chaplain (Major) Aloysius McGonigal. He was at the MACV compound during the Hue City battle. He went forward with the Marines to provided ministry and was KIA on 17 February 1968. Does anyone have any personal memories of Chaplain McGonigal at Hue? (I already have info from internet links such as,, etc.) Thanks! Chaplain (Major) Philip Kramer

    • Major McGonigal spent a week with our team at Phong Dien in January 1968 before he returned to Hue, days before the Tet Offensive. He celebrated Mass for us before he left. I remember that he wore a 9th Infantry Division patch. I have a couple of anecdotes about him if you want to send contact information.

      H.G. Reza
      RTO, Phong Dien 67-68

    • Chaplain Kramer, I was the Sr Medic for the MACV Compound In Hue and defi9nitely knew Father McGonigal. I live right outside FDt Bragg and would be happy to hear from you

  84. Does anyone know if team 3 ever received. The valorous. Unit award? I believe they were awarded the presidential unit award. Not sure about Valorous??? Anyone. Know the answer? Thanks

  85. Hey Phil, my name is Rob Ritchie and I was with Tm3 from Aug 68 to 69 as the Sr Advisor to 3/54 inf. Harvey Zimmerle (sr adv to 2/3) and I flew into the Hue citadel air strip in an Otter, exiting the aircraft rather quickly as Harv had a bullet hole in his brief case. I’m pretty sure that our paths did not cross; however, you may remember Harvey. cell: 713.818.0408.

    • I may have crossed paths with Zimmerle around that time although I really don’t remember for sure. Shortly after the bridge was blown, my team was called across the river by boat for a “de-brief”; once we got there, we were put on perimeter defense of the MACV compound. We were there for a few days and then flew by Huey over to the Div HQ where we rejoined our battalion. After TET, we went back to PK 17 and into the Ashau Valley with the 101st (Lam Son 224 I think). Anyway, it was interesting times!

  86. I just stumbled onto this site. My name is Philip Kane, I was a CPT and Sr Advisor of 3rd Bn, 3rd Regt, 1st ARVN Div from Nov 67 to mid-68 when I became staff advisor to the regiment. During the TET offensive, my team consisted of Tony Egan, an Australian WO, SSG Roupe, Army and a Marine Gunny whose name I don’t recall. Our regimental HQ was at PK-17, north of Hue. I visited there in 2008 and it is now a cement factory. At the beginning of TET, we were outside of Hue at a training facility and moved into the city linking up with the Marines briefly at the bridge. Anyway, I’m going to try to find your Facebook page. Interesting to see some recollections of those days.

    • Mr Kane, the Marine Gunny, I believe was my dad Richard Weyand. think I may have a few photos of you. Please e-mail me Pat Weyand

      Sent from my iPhone Please forgive any typo’s. As this message was sent via a cellular telephone. Patrick Weyand. 262-939-9955


    • Yes i have a photo of you dad and rogue. And tony.

      Sent from my iPhone Please forgive any typo’s. As this message was sent via a cellular telephone. Patrick Weyand. 262-939-9955


    • Phil, I don’t guess you will remember me, I was a 1st Lt when I transferred to 1/3/1 in mid Aug, ’68. I remember your name and I think that I knew you briefly. I noticed Lt Fran Delaney, Tony Egan, I went out with him on 1 mission before he rotated out. I still have his last patrol book-he handed it to me and “Here Mate, I won’t be needing this anymore”. He died several years back and I have his wife’s address, if I can find it in all my junk. Tran “Harry” Hue and I are in irregular contact. A book was written about him 7 or 8 years ago.
      I’m in constant contact with Major Jim Shillinglaw and SSgt ( now Gunny Sgt, Ret) Herman Wiggins. I’d like to swap messages with members of Team 3, especially members of Sub-Team 65 who were at PK -17. I don’t know why I never thought to look up Mac-V before, maybe it’s because I’m getting along in years. Any way, looking forward to your reply,

  87. This is Tom Pilsch, mentioned in Joel Weisberg’s earlier comments. Thanks, Joel, for getting in contact and petting me in contact.

    I was an Air Force FAC, callsign Trail 32, attached to Team 3 from May 68 to April 69. I have been in contact with some of the other Air Force team members over the years: Steve Mettler, Bob DuBois and with two of my predecessors as Trail 32, Jim Lang and Tom Eigel who passed away a few years ago.

    Joel found me from my Web site on the air war in Vietnam,

    Some of you might be interested on the page on Hué and particularly the one on the MAC-V compound:

    I have been looking for a good site on Team 3 over the years, and now that we are in contact, I maybe able, with your help to put something together.

    I lecture on the history of technology and war, and over the years have built a site on Vietnam resources. Some of you may have come across it:

    It started for my own use – never could find sites I had remember seeing – but over the years “it just growed!” Keeping up with the changed and dead links is an endless job, so be patient. I hope you enjoy it.

    I look forward to being in contact, and to all of you, “Welcome Home!”

    • hello tom,

      i was a patrol leader with 3rd recon usmc. we made a patrol into the southern ashau in early aug (1-3) ’67 in advance of what was to be a usmc/hoc bao raid (operation cloud). the raid was cancelled and cloud never happened.

      my patrol was in heavy contact for a day and a half before we got extracted…lost 4 on the extract when ch-46 was hit in the zone.

      i was in comms off and on with an a.f. o1 or o2e and met the pilot briefly several weeks after the extract.

      any idea who this might have been? could have been covey….but i don’t recall the call signs.


  88. Unfortunately, I have lost track of everyone until today. I was looking around on line and found you and one of our Air Force guys, Captain Tom Pilsch. I will post that picture on Facebook as soon as I end this comment, if I can. Not sure how to post it here.

  89. I was beginning to think I would never locate any of our group. It is good to hear from you. It would be great if you could post the picture. Have you ever heard from Captain White, Major Click, Lieutenant Pressley, or any of our other fellow Team 3 members?

  90. I am trying to revise my AT-3 list by Advisors in their particular districts. Was Hue referred to as being a district or was Hue in a district ?

  91. Hi Mike, glad to see you here. Were you able to find the facebook page. Put some photos up on it. Hope you are well.

  92. Francis M. Delaney here (aka Fran, Mike). I was senior advisor to the Black Panthers (Hoc Bao) in early 1969, along with Gunny Richard Weyand and Aussie Merv Bolitho – two great guys. I extended 1 year after returning to The World, made captain, then became a civilian.

    Is anybody in contact with Bill Garrison? He was my closest service buddy and hooch-mate at HUE MACV compound, was aide to Col Heistand (sp?). Bill was the commanding (2-star) general in Somalia (Blackhawk Down). Contact me via

    • hello is mervs son jeff spoke highly of you and dick guys were all awesome .i hope you are well and happy as you know dad passed at 20 10 is still hard but life goes on.

      • Hi Jeff, my name is Rob Ritchie and I was Sr Advisor to the 3/54 In (1968-1969). we worked with the Hoc Bao from time to time. My Aussie WO was Sid Colley. He was a real stud and my mentor in the ways of the jungle and the oriental culture. He was 46 at the time, so he would be up in years now. I am wondering if anybody knows of or remembers him at your gatherings.

    • Fran,
      Is this the Francis Delaney that was at PK-17 until Jan of ’69? If so I have a photo or two of you, Charlie Brown, Hank Fredericks, I talked to him 8-10 yrs ago and some others. Col. Bud Fair died several yrs back, we were in frequent contact right up to the end. I’m in in-frequent contact with Tran “Harry” Hue, there’s been a good book written about him. Almost all of the Vietnamese officers we knew were were killed by 1975. I went to OCS with Bill G., and I last saw Dick Weyand about 7 years or so ago.
      If you know anything about the other team members I’d love to hear from them.

  93. MAJ Rex L. Frazer was an advisor at the Thua Thien Sector HQ prior to and during the Tet Offensive. Rex was injured at his post and was evacuated to a hospital in Japan and then to one in Colorado. He subsequently recovered and resumed his career, serving a second tour in Vietnam prior to his retirement to the Leavenworth, KS community. Rex suffered a prolonged illness with Parkinson’s Disease before succombing on 5/25 of this year. He is buried in the National Cemetery in Leavenworth.

    • Maj. Frazer was my team leader at Phong Dien in late 1967. If memory serves me well, he replaced Cpt. Jim Kofalt, who was medevaced, and Frazer was replaced by Cpt. Nick Goersch, who was at Phong Dien when I rotated home in May 1968. Maj. Frazer was a good officer and decent man. Here’s an example of the good person he was. We were standing in the pay line at the Hue Compound. Officers and enlisted stood in the same line, and officers seldom bucked the line by pulling rank. Our team was in the middle of the line and a very young looking major wearing brand new jungle fatigues and unscuffed jungle boots casually strolled to the front of the line. I remember the guy had red hair. Frazer said out loud, “Who does that young ass major think he is. He gives the officer corps a bad name.” I’m sorry to learn of his passing. My friend, Walt Meeley, a RTO wounded on the Street Without Joy on Dec. 18, 1967, also died from Parkinson’s on Memorial Day 2001.

      H.G. Reza
      RTO, Phong Dien 67-68

  94. Looking for anyone who served with my Uncle Warren Lynn “Doc” Wozencraft. He was KIA on Dong Ha Mountain in May, 1970. According to his virtual wall he was with Team 3, HQ, MACV Advisers.

    • I was with MACV Team 3 from May 19, 1969, to June 15, 1970. I met Capt. Wozencraft at 1st ARVN headquarters in the Hue Citadel in 1970. Didn’t really know him, was told that he went up to the environs of FSB Henderson, where he was killed by a sniper.
      Capt. Wozencraft seemed like a fairly quiet man; his reputation was that he was “a pretty good guy.” This was in days when we designated between “lifers” and “career men”; the latter being a compliment, the former quite the opposite. Capt. Wozencraft was one of the latter in G.I. parlance.
      I was in Japan on R&R in late April-early May of 1970; our AO was pretty quiet when I left, but on my return things had heated up at Henderson; in fact I returned to Da Nang with the replacement for one of our personnel, the top advisor of the 1st of the 7th Cav, a Major Williams, who was killed in a mortar attack at Henderson.

  95. I have made up a list of former AT-3 personnell. If any former AT-3 (or relatives) would like the list email me. I am always looking for more names to add to the list. Sincerily Doug Wilson , Eagle Dust-Off 1970-71

    • I was attached to MACV Tm 3 from March 66 into May 67, discharged at Ft Lewis, ran the APO and did whatever else the team asked of me, would like to talk to anyone I worked with or anyone who remembers me. I worked with Tom Lundon,Ron Rex and Richard Miller. I met a lot of great men and officers but with 47 years having past, the names are forgotten.

    • Doug,
      I’d like to have a copy of that list. I transferred to PK-17 in Aug ’68 and left the last of April ’69. I was a1st Lt and worked mostly with 1st Bat, companies 1 and 2, sometimes with 3rd co.

  96. Yes , it is on facebook. I’m not sure why its not showing up. Go to my facebook page and look under groups. Let me know if you find it.

  97. I started a group called Military Assistance Command Vietnam (MACV) Team 3. So far I am the only member. It would be a good place to post your pictures. Did either of you know Fred Thompson, the MARS operator at MACV compound. Also, Larry J. Anderson was the company clerk. My interpreter was Chung The An. Al Conn was a marine assigned to MACV.

    Officers I remember were Major Click, Captain Weisberg, Captain White, and Lieutenant Pressley. All were assigned to 1st ARVN Division Headquarters.

    There was an interrogator there whose name was Homer Buck from Oklahoma. He was 6′ 6″ tall with wide shoulders. I’m sure he intimidated the prisoners. I have no idea where he is now.

    Once I was sent to Firebase Barnett in the A-shau Valley, I lost all contact with the MACV compound.

    • Just read your note about MACV Team 3 in Hue. I am the Captain Weisberg you remember.
      I have been doing a little research this afternoon and also found a web site set up by one of our Air Force people, Captain Pilsch. I am going to look for your group on Facebook. Hopefully more will join. My personal email is

    • Gary I just found a picture of you sitting at the compound with Larry Craven, John Loughan, Tom Boise and Tom Kinoshita. I took the picture. Captain Joel Weisberg

  98. Gentlemen…seeing your posts certainly do bring back memories. As I said in an earlier post, I was the Sr Advisor to the 3/54 (68-69) and visited the compound regularly to get cleaned up and partake of the free flowing bar and real food in the mess hall.

  99. My name is Rudy Kranz Army SP 4,Hue, Advisory Team 3, Dec. 1966 to Dec.1967. Attached with ARVN 1st Inf. Div. Hoc Boa. radio operator. Hue main compound was about 60 percent officers and our front gate guards where marines along with marine MP’s. I still
    keep in touch with my Marine friends.

    • Hi Rudy. My name is Nelson Rodriguez, Army Spec 4,Hue Advisory Team 3, August 67 to Aug 1968. I also was attached to ARVN 1st Inf. Div. Use to go out with different units until my last six months that I was assigned to the village of Nam Hoa. I also knew some of the marines at the gate specially Vazquez and Milian. If you know their whereabouts let me know. I was also a radio operarator.

        • I was with 3rd ARVN Reg at PK 17 from March ’68 to October…..RTO under Major Morales, Major Kane, and lastly a Lt. Col.
          Tom Carty Sgt. E5 MACV

  100. Served as supply sergeant with SFC Johnson from Dec 66 to Nov 67 in Hue MACV compound. Remember Capt Hanson as compound commander and Col Kelly as Team3 commander, Other names remembered were SSG Rakebrand , hq admin, Spec Sonntag, hq mess, SFC Generazio, hq mess and club, SGT Preble, Spec Huerrera, hq, cpl Delgado, and many faces I cannot put a name with. I left a SSG on a 90 day early out separation at Oakland Army Terminal.

  101. Hi Gary…did you ever come across Harvey Zimmerle USMC?. He was the senior advisor to 2/3. I was the senior advisor to 3/54. He and I flew into the Hue citadel air strip together. There were still snipers in the area. He took a bullet in his brief case as we exited the aircraft. That was our welcome party.

  102. Team 3 Aug 68-Aug 69. 3rd BN/54 INF. My best recollections of the compound were having Garfield (the goose) nip my butt when I was in from the field and getting to meet the Trail FACs who did such a great job of supporting us in the field. Trail 33 during a lot of my tour was Will Hall. I sure would like to see him again.

    • Hello Rob, You and I arrived at the same time in August 68. During my first tour I was in G-2 working at the 1st ARVN Infantry Division Hqs in Hue. Later I was in the A-Shau as a light weapons infantry advisor. I came to really appreciate the Trail Facs although I am still removing the rocks and debris from their assistance. I stayed until July, 1970 when I left on emergency leave. While in Hue I had my own Honda and had several unpleasant encounters with the MPs. Off limits meant nothing to me. I knew the streets and back alleys better than they did. Sampan Alley was my favorite place to go. No other explanation is necessary.

    • Rob:

      You answered one of my questions, about the MACV Goose. Never knew he had a name except “that damned goose.” I remember he had a stange affection for boot lkaces. If they were not tucked in, he thought they were worms and try to eat them right off your leg.

  103. Hi Gary, Very interesting when I was was working at the 1st ARVN compound I lived at one of the hootches at the MACV compound . I spent some time at FB Geronimo on the outskirts of Hue and FB Tiger Mountain and Pistol Pete in the A Shau. 3rd arvn reg. While at Pistol Pete a typhoon hit and blew my poncho into Laos. Also while there the ARVNs threw grenades into into the river and we ate fish that night. No fish eyeballs for me, I let ARVNs have them. I wish I could remember the names of people I was with but it was a long time ago. Welcome home!!

    • Military Assistance Command Vietnam (MACV) Team 3 is the Facebook group I tried to start. It would be nice to get some Team 3 members involved. I also lived on the MACV Compound during my first tour. I was in the last hooch nearest the fence.

    • Wayne, you probably won’t remember me–the FNG who showed up somewhat before you left. I lived at the compound; spent my “field” time at Geronimo, Airborne, Berchtesgaden, Currahee, and Rendezvous; you had left before the nine months I worked at Division HQ in the Hue Citadel. Once forwarded a letter from a young lady in the compound to you; seem to remember handling the return letter from you to her.
      Lt.Col. Wightman, said great things about your abilities as RTO.
      I’m PFC/Spec 4 Alan Kalter, RTO with MACV Team 3. Remember Majors Arnold and Shillinglaw? Couple of squared-away guys.

      • Alan,
        Jim lives in Pebble Beach, Ca now. I just talked to him this last weekend and get regular e-mails from him. If you want his e-mail address, etc drop me a line. I always get permission to give out personal info before doing so.
        Chuck (1st Lt.)

    • Wayne:

      Some of the other names you might recognize: Mo (Morrison), Frenchy (Dennis Fortier), Bob Forgione, Gary Starzecki, Danny Tannenbaum, Snider, Roger Aaron . . . that’s what I was able to come up with.


    • Pat Weyand- Thanks for the information on Merv. He was a good guy. He and I had some moments out in the Ashau Valley with the Black Panthers in 1969-1970 We were the advisor team at the time; just us two and the amazing men of the Hoc Bao. We did have a RTO (A Spec4) on many of those valley trips whose name, I can’t for the life of me, recall. We also had an FO from the 101st on a lot of trips out of Hue. with the first name “Patrick”. Years have robbed me of his last name. Do know he passed away. Again, thank you for the kindness of the Merv information.

      • hello is mervs son jeff spoke sometimes of his encounters in the ashau valley. on one he said he was trying to sleep and the enemy fired a rocket which landed in a hill near him. luck was with him as it did not go off.i hope you are well and happy. all you guys are awesome.i have been going to monthley lunch an beer meetings at THE HOUSE with dads unit the AATTV.they are a great bunch of guys and there very special wives and for now.jeff

    • Hello Wayne. We must have crossed paths somewhere. I arrived in Hue in August, 1968 and worked at the First ARVN Division Headquarters in the citadel as an intelligence analyst during my first tour. I resided at the MACV Compound in Hue. Did you know Fred Thompson who was the MARS operator there? Later I was later sent to the A-Shau Valley as a light weapons infantry advisor for the First ARVN Division. I was with the First Regiment operating around FB Barnett, O’Reilly, and Jerome. I have heard from very few Team #3 members and there seems to be very little info on the web. Are you a member of the MACV Facebook group? I started a Team #3 group but nobody has responded.

      • Are you Sgt. Roberts, by any chance? I was at the Citadel as an RTO from Sept. 1969 to June, 1970; did my OJT in May 1969, so you’d probably still have been there.

        Alan Kalter, PFC/Spec.4, MACV Team 3

    • did you know of an AF SSgt Patrick Williams who was a Radio Operator as well. He was killed in 28 Aug 1965, propeller accident..Email me at
      Just trying to find out if any Radio Operators may have known him.

  104. Hi

    I am looking for anyone that served in MACV T 3 in the citadel,Hue from 1964-66,looking for an Simon. We had an pics of him


  105. Mr. Easterwood’s comments were of particular interest. I was at the MACV Compound in Hue beginning in August, 1968. During my first tour I worked in G-2 at the 1st ARVN Infantry Division Headquarters. Major Click, Captain White, and Lieutenant Pressly were in my area. In my second and third tours I became a Light Weapons Infantry Advisor for the 1st ARVN Infantry Division operating out of Firebase Barnett in the A-shau Valley. We were out for ten days and back to the FB for five days. I was the only American on the patrols but an Austrailian Warrant Officer also accompanied us. Captain Rock was in charge. I departed on July 9th, 1970 on emergency leave. There was a 101st Artillery Battery on the FB. I have seen very little information about Team 3 or Firebase Barnett on the web. Hopefully, others will post here as well.

  106. My name is Jack Easterwood and I was assigned to the MACV Team 3 in Hue during parts of 1969 and 1970 I was the American Advisor, along with an Australian Warrant Officer (Merv Bolitho), to the Black Panther (Hoc Bao) Company of the 1st ARVN div. We lived in the Dozier Compound south of the Perfume River in the New City part of Hue. We, Merv and I, and the Hoc Bao Company spent a lot of time on Operations in the Ashau Valley and along the border with Laos. On occasion, we made side trips up to 6 Kilometers into Laos. We would normally spend two to three weeks in the bush and come back to Hue for a week and then go out again. I had a room in the old French Hotel part of the Compound and Merv stayed with the other Aussies in the Hooches alongside the rear fence. We were almost always attached to the 101st Airborne on these operations as the recon company. The Hoc Bao were highly trained in Air assault and were the saviors of Hue during the 68 Tet offensive They had saved the Citadel, where the 1st ARVN Div was HeadQuartered from being over ran by the attacking NVA. Fierce fighters and jungle warfare experts, I felt protected and safe with them even when Merv was gone on R&R and I was the sole Advisor with them. We were in all the major operations that the 101st engaged in (Including the battle of Hamburger Hill).during my tour. Near the end of my tour I was bought back to the 1st Div HQ and worked for a Major Blackwell who was the G-2, G-3 Advisor and an excellent officer. Because we spent so little time at the MACV compound, I can recall few of the other Advisors. One man I do remember was a LTC Smith, USAF, who was the man in charge of the FACS for the Team. He and I got to know each other while he was watching out for us during many enemy contacts in the valley. Since we are both retired and too old to go to jail, I’ll also admit he allowed me me to.zig zag all over the valley in an 02 Bird Dog plane while he was hanging out his widow looking for the NVA in the valley. As an SFC E-7, I think I was the first NCO to hold the position of Advisor to the Hoc Bao. I do know that a Marine Captain had been there before me and was literally worshiped by the member of the Hoc Bao company. I retired from the Army after 20 years as a First Sergeant in 1882. Glad I found this site.

    • Dont you just love the French Hotel in the compound??? I was there in 1970 as the Team 3 Adjutant in the Citadel…I hear there are traffic lights outside the hotel now, and the carton of Salems is NOT $1.00

      George Donatello
      CPT US ARMY Retired

    • Mr. Easterwood, sorry if this posted twice I was doing it form my Telephone. Merv Bolitho Passed away last month.
      This form the Australian Army Training Team Facebook Page (John Nolan Member)

      It is with deep regret that we notify you of the Death of ex WO2 Mervyn Richard Bolitho,MID. ex SAR ex AATTV at approximately 1900hrs Friday 20th December 2013 in St John of God Hospital Murdoch WA.
      Merve passed away last night in the presence of his two children Jeffery and Debbie
      May He Rest In Peace

    • Harry is living in Falls Church, VA. He and Jim Coolican will be working with the Australian TV about Vietnam and their experience. Retired LTG Joe Bolt provided the picture for the book Vietnam’s Forgotten Army cover. Harry was in Portland OR visiting me in September ’14 after he visited former officers in Seattle. I will be staying with him next month.

  107. Sir Merv Bolitho is still alive, I believe in a sort of assisted living place in AU. If you do t have his contact info and would want it please feel free to email me My dad Richard Weyand USMC. Think a First Sgt at that time was with Merv , Fran Delaney, and at that time Army Col Joe Bolt. And Harry Tran Hue. You guys did a lot. Dad rotated out in late 69

  108. @Hunter….I am sorry to say that I did not know Cpt. Lehman. I arrived in country on May 20, 1967 and don’t have a lot of information about anything that happened before then.

    • Thank you for your response and thank you for your service. As an aside, I have also enjoyed reading your columns from the LA Times as I dig deeper into MACV and Advisory Team 3.

    • Try the National Archives in Suitland, Md. The process may be different today, but in 2004 one had to register at the National Archives building in Washington and a shuttle would take you to Maryland and bring you back. The person responsible for the MACV records then was very helpful.
      H.G. Reza, RTO Phong Dien, 67-68

      • Thank you, H.G. I’ve submitted the request to the National Archives, am planning my trip to the archive buildings. I look forward to learning more. Do you have any insights into Team 3 members and actions in 1966 and up to March 1967? As I mentioned on a previous post, I am trying to understand the environment given a family connection.

  109. Kirkland, Was he a Major. I think I have a photo of him or dad had talked about him. Thanks for the info, and for serving.

  110. Mr. Reza ok, just talked to dad and I understand a little more. Sometimes he forgets, or assumes that I fully understand the dynamics of how things were set up. He was with team 3 from 1967-1969. However, from 67-68 he was assigned to the battalion. from 1968-1969 roughly he was with Hac Bao. This is where I misunderstood . Dad explained that Team 3 encompassed many different units. I always assumed the entire time was with Hac Bao because I knew he had told me that he was at the time the only marine assigned to the Hac Bao unit he was with, so I assumed that meant team 3 but it was actually a part of team 3.

    He gets worked up with me sometimes, not about talking about the war, but again he assumes that I know the dynamics of how the units were set up, which I really don’t.

    He did not recognize you name, but did remember hearing of the Australian you spoke of.

    He worked with and replaced Jim Coolican as the marine advisor to Hac Bao. When he was with Hac Bao, he was with Tran Ngoc Hue (Harry Hue) who was at that time was a Captain. Joe Bolt who was also a Army Captain at that time later retired 3 star. Mike (Fran Delaney) and a few others. Including Australian Merv Bolitho. I do have some photos from that time and of him. I can send some if you would like.

    He was on leave back here in Wisconsin when Tet Broke out. When he returned he united with his unit and helped to fight and take back the imperial city of Hue. I have some good photos of the perfume river and the bridges that were taken out. Hope this helps answer what he did and who he was with. Thanks for your time and service. Pat Weyand

    • There were several components that made up Team 3. Units of 3 to 5 advisers made up individual teams. Some teams served with the ARVN (regular Army), while others served with the PF and RF, which were militia units that were usually indigenous to the areas where they fought. My 6-man team served with the PF. The teams serving with the ARVN were usually assigned to the 1st ARVN Inf. Div. across the river, at Hue Citadel. The teams that served with the PF (Popular Forces) and RF (Regional Forces) answered to Thua Thien Sector Hqs., whose offices were across the street from the Hue MACV compound. In addition, there were teams assigned to the ARVN Airborne units that were separate from the 1st ARVN Inf. Division as well as armored units that supported the 1st ARVN Inf. Div. The Hoc Bao (Black Panther) were part of the 1st ARVN Inf. Div.

      Some teams like mine at Phong Dien and the teams at Quang Dien and Phu Loc lived in the camps and fought with the PF troops we advised. There was also a team that lived at PK 17 with the ARVN unit they advised. Our team at Phong Dien did occasional joint operations with the teams at Quang Dien and PK 17 but other than that we had no contact with the other teams. But when we would drive to Hue to get paid, occasionally you would hear a voice in the mess hall or compound that you recognized from radio traffic. You would know the man’s call sign but not his name. You would introduce yourself by your call sign, not your name.

      So, if it was possible to have a reunion of Team 3 members who served in 1967 and 1968 more than likely one wouldn’t know anybody outside of the teams they served with. I knew Walt Meeley, the RTO at Phu Thu, because we shipped to VN together from Ft. Bliss. And I knew Frank Doezema because he was the RTO at Quang Dien for a while and my hooch mate at the MACV compound when I worked with the 922nd RF Co, before being assigned to Phong Dien. And I knew SPC 5 Tessler, a medic who saved Walt’s life when he was badly wounded on the Street Without Joy. Tessler, Walt and Maj. Meyers were on an operation with an RF company. Maj. Meyers was also wounded. Tessler was awarded a Silver Star. I also knew another medic named Kirkland, who had previously been assigned to Phong Dien. It was Kirkland who told me in mid March 1968 at the MACV Compound that “your buddy Doezema was killed on Jan. 30.” Aside from the men who served on my team, these and a few others are the only ones I remember.

      H.G. Reza, RTO Phong Dien 67-68

      • Did you know Capt. Nelson (Nels) Lehman? Served under Badcoe, ’66-’67? I’m trying to get a better understanding for my family. Pictures, stories, hear-say? The aerogrammes are a great start.

    • steve malamud i think i was on operations with your dad ,with the hoc bau, if i am not mistaken he was in khe san as a regylqar marine officer before comming to hue

  111. Maj. Peter Badcoe was the senior Australian adviser in Team 3 until he was KIA in April 1967. He was awarded the Victoria Cross posthumously. His RTO was U.S. Army Sgt. Alberto Alvarado from Texas, who mentored me when I arrived in Hue in May 1967. Alvarado was wounded at least once, possibly twice, while serving with Badcoe, and he was awarded a Silver Star in the action where Badcoe was killed. When I met Alvarado he was on his third tour and had a Vietnamese girlfriend in Saigon. I ran into him again in Sept. 2001. He married his girlfriend, and they were living near Escondido, Ca., where they grew vegetables and fruits they sold to Vietnamese merchants in Little Saigon in Westminster and Garden Grove, Ca. At the link below (you’ll probably have to copy and paste) you’ll find “aerogrammes” that Badcoe sent to his family from Vietnam. They detail battles and overrun camps where advisers were KIA. They also give you a picture of what serving in Team 3’s TAOR was like in 1967 and 1968. Alvarado is mentioned in aerogrammes dated March 12, 15, and 26. Badcoe spells his name “Alverado.” Aussie Maj. Casey filled Badcoe’s billet….SSG Cornelius Johnson, a medic, and I pulled two operations with Casey and the 922nd RF Co. in the Phu Loc area before we were assigned to Phong Dien Subsector at the northern end of Thua Thien Province. The aerogrammes can be found at
    H.G. Reza, RTO 67-68

    • Thank you for posting this link. The death of the assistant operations officer is a reference to my uncle. Now I know the details.

  112. I served with MACV Team 3 for a year from 1971-1972.
    We advised the 1st ARVN INF DIV.
    The MACV compound was not called this, it had been renamed the Frank Doezema Compound in honor of SP4 Doezema’s tragic death there during TET 68.
    We convoyed down the Perfume River to the Hue Citadel daily, it was still a mess from TET 68, the basement is primarily where we worked although it stayed flooded all the time.
    Many don’t realize and you should also (correct or add), Advisory Tm 3 moved to Camp Eagle with the 1st ARVN Division (early 1972), after the 101st Div & 1 CAV stood down and turned the base over to the 1st ARVN INF DIV.
    We maintained 60-80 regular Army MACV Tm 3 members located near the front Camp Eagle gate.
    During the Easter Offensive of 1972, the only other MACV unit between us and the DMZ was overrun (Quang Tri), making us the nearest to the DMZ after they got evacuated. We had many close in B52 air strikes, got mortared and harassed regularly, and as the war was coming to a close, we were getting “No replacements”. Not much sleep time life goes on. I stayed at Camp Eagle until November of 72, and would guess we had less than 20 MACV Team 3 members left.
    You may want to add Camp Eagle with Hue & Thua Thien as where MACV Team 3 served, even though Thua Thien Providence ‘basically covers’, the area.
    We were the last american soldiers holding any ground in that region, since moving from the Compound in Hue mid-late January 1972.

    • My name is Gary Ribovic I was a Specialist 4th Class who was stationed at Camp Eagles Main Gate from the end of July 1972 until October 22nd 1972 with the 1st Regiment Assistance Command MACV 1st ARVN DIV.

      • I also was at Hue/Camp Eagle from Sept 71 – Aug 72. If I remember right you were SFC also the CO was Col. Dickerson, First SGT Decker, Maj. Schooler. I would really like to hear back from you. I remember very little once we moved to Camp Eagle. Looking forward to hear back from you. Sincerly, Tom Coleman

      • (**Re-post** — I replied in wrong place — sorry)
        I missed both of your post. I have been offline for quite so time. I’m sure I knew you Gary as I worked at TOC off of the compound, and went through the gate daily. I recall your name Tom, you were Lt or Cpt Coleman I think, seems like you were in TOC also. Yes 1st Sgt Decker was there the whole time is was, the CO was Col Dickerson, and at one time Col Muller (or Mueller). My immediate CO’s were CW4 Clark & Maj Shaffer, our NCOIC was SSG Ashley. I remember the Mess Sgt was SFC Tyson, and the Supply Sgt was Sgt Dasher. Had an Lt Pappas that worked near me in TOC. I can’t recall many enlisted names like myself because we almost all had nicknames like Spider, Red, Countryboy, etc. Glad you both found this site. I came to Hue Dec 71, moved to Camp Eagle with Team 3, and stayed until Nov 72. Take Care ALL !

      • Steve, I was the mail-clerk along with Sgt Tyrone. I was a Spec4. Doing the spring offense several of us qualified with the M-79 LAW’s. We made up a patch with the bird “Woodstock” from the comic “Peanut” holding a LAW. I remember very little after the beginning of the spring offense. I do remember Route 1 being flooded with the score of retreving ARVN’s. I was also assigned with the M-60 . Hope to hear back from you or Gary.

      • Hey Tom, Yeah I’m sure I remember your name now, I was an E4 also. Since you were at the Doezema compound and the times you were there I’m positive we was in the same circles. Did you remember any of the names I posted earlier? When we moved to Camp Eagle I had said it was end of Jan 72, but was more like early March. I was 18 when I got there, had orders for Quang Tri, but luckily when they picked me up at Phu Bai airfield they needed more Signal guys I was 05C radio operator & 72B Tele Comm Ctr Operator so Team 3 amended orders & kept me. The Easter offensive was full of ARVNs fleeing from Quang Tri, they sure (over) packed whatever they were riding in/on. I was pretty close to 1st SGT Decker, you know his & the COs secretary was Mia, also they were (together), Mia was close friends with a gal in the mess hall I saw whenever possible named Hoa, so TOP & I were good friends. Did you know SP4 Greg Hanson, SP5 Mike Poole, SP4 Jeff Borg? I bet you knew PFC Finch, a tall redheaded guy, I rode with him to Phu Bai to pick up mail some. When we saw the Bob Hope show at the Eagle Bowl, who knew we would be living there in a couple of months. When we got there I know we were ALL wore out filling sandbags & improving the post. Well take care Tom, will get back with you later.


      • Sorry Mike …I do not remember a translator named Dung …Not many guys from after 1970 MACV Tm3 use this site for some reason, so you most likely need to search some other sites, I believe facebook has has MACV Tm3.

    • I don’t know if you can post photos on this Website. Was your father with the Marine security detachment at the Hue MACV compound? I met Arthur Robertson and Michael Mishler, members of the security detachment, in Houston. They were in the tower with my friend Frank Doezema when he was mortally wounded in the opening moments of Tet.

      • He was.

        Sent from my iPhone Please forgive any typo’s. As this message was sent via a cellular telephone. Patrick Weyand.

      • @ H.G Reza He was on leave at the time Tet broke out, and then came back and fought to help take back the city. He served with Tran Ngoc Hue, Then at that time Col Joe Boldt, and I believe Mr Coulligan. Not sure on the spelling. He finished up his career in 1985 retiring as a SgtMaj In the Marines.

  113. On Jan. 30, 1968 our team drove in a two vehicle convoy from our camp at Phong Dien to the MACV Compound in Hue to get paid. It was a monthly ritual. Our plan was to spend the 30th and 31st at the compound and return to camp on Feb. 1. On these trips we also gathered supplies and ammo. We rolled into the compound at about 11 am, looking forward to eating in the mess hall for a couple of days. But no sooner than parking our vehicles the entire team (Cpt. Nick Goersch, SFC Don Rampanelli, SFC Thomas Richardson, Australian WO Dick Powell and I) were summoned to S-3 at Thua Thien Sector Hqs. I can’t remember who briefed us, but we were told that something was brewing. The problem was that nobody knew what. We were ordered to return to camp immediately without taking time to procure the supplies we needed. Later that afternoon, I was checking the east side of our perimeter when the camp came under mortar fire. I watched the first round hit outside the wire and ducked inside a bunker. We took about 25 rounds but there was no ground assault. I was the team’s RTO. Some time after midnight we lost radio contact with Sector Hqs. and took more incoming. We had no idea that the NVA had overrun Hue and were also unaware of the battle raging there. Confusion, uncertainty and fear abounded in our small corner of Vietnam. In the first week of February I picked up a faint transmission from the team at Phu Loc, a camp south of Hue and north of Danang. Phu Loc had been overrun and the 5-man team escaped to a place on the beach where they jumped in a boat and paddled out to the South China Sea. It was hard to visualize five U.S. grunts bobbing in the ocean. We managed to get help from the 1st Cav at Camp Evans. They sent a Huey to pluck the guys out of the boat and brought them to our camp. They were a welcome sight; five more Americans whom we knew we could count on. I don’t remember their names save for their team leader, Maj. Franklin. We were in frequent contact in the first two weeks of February and hit regularly with 60mm and 82mm fire. The teams persevered but our luck ran out on Feb. 25, 1968, when Rampanelli was wounded by a command detonated mine while on patrol. Tet was a watershed moment in our lives, and I was proud to serve with the guys on my team, everyone a professional soldier.

    • My name is Rudy Kranz Army SP 4,Hue, Advisory Team 3, Dec. 1966 to Dec.1967. Attached with ARVN 1st Inf. Div. Hoc Boa. radio operator. Hue main compound was about 60 percent officers and our front gate guards where marines along with marine MP’s. I still
      keep in touch with my Marine friends.

      • I didn’t know any of the marine guards at the Hue compound, but a few years ago I learned that Arthur “Bob” Robertson and Michael Mishler, were assigned to the compound as marine guards. Bob, who was corporal of the guard, and Michael were with my friend Frank Doezema in the tower when Frank was mortally wounded on Jan. 31, 1968. I learned about Bob and Michael when Bob was dying at the VA Hospital in Houston. I got to visit with both before he passed. Walt Meeley, who passed away on Memorial Day 2001, was the RTO at Phu Thu for a while. Walt and I shipped to VN together from Ft. Bliss. There was another RTO named Bob Mignemi but I can’t remember what team he was assigned to. I lived in the same hooch at the compound with Mignemi and Frank Doezema for a while when I arrived in country. Other RTOs I remember were named Tarbox and a guy named Roger, whom I replaced at Phong Dien. I was a sergeant E-5 when I rotated home. Rudy, I’m sure that our paths crossed in the compound at some point….I hope that your marine friends remember Bob Robertson and Michael Mishler.

        H.G. Reza
        Phong Dien 67-68

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