Team 114 Kien Tuong

MACV Team 114- Kien Tuong.

This Page is intended for the discussion of the Military Assistance Command Vietnam Team 114 located in Kien Tuong.

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  1. I would like more information on AT-85. I was there from June 68 to August 69. I was with the 736th medical detachment in Moc Hoa with the SF. Team

    • Just checking to see if anyone is still out there checking the Moc Hoa MACV site. It is interesting to reread all the messages every couple of years! Too bad we can’t post old pictures…hope all had a good Memorial Day….brought back a lot of memories of Ken Hamrick and Mike Burns.

      Jim Doyle
      aka Bomber 32
      USAF ALO/FAC 7/69-4-70

      • My name is SP5 David L. Krzeminski and was one of the orginal menbers of MACV Advisory Team #85. There was myself SFC Knutson, SSG Smith, SSG Trawick SP4 Justice. We arrived in Moc Hoa in August of 1968 and had built a small compound for ourselves in the ARVAN Forces compound 1 klick from Special Forces B41 Compound. I moved into the B-41 compound in November of 68 to work in the orderly room as a clerk typist and worked for 1st SGT Watson, then 1st Hughes. The rest of the orginal Tm 85 menbers stayed in their original barracks in the ARVAn compound. I rotated back to the US August 21 1969. I knew MAJ Hamrick and went on a FAC mission with him in early 1969. I heard that he was killed shortly after I rotated back to the States. I now live in Clawson, Michigan and have for the last 40 years.

        • Hi David:
          Rusty Hobbs here. Responding to your 8/03/2015 posting re: TM#114 and TM#85 confusion. I was assigned to MACV Advisory Team 85 from March through December of 1971. We were indeed located in Moc Hoa, Kien Tuong Province, RVN. LTC Springman was our Province Senior Advisor, (PSA) and Mr. Brady, a Civilian Contractor with CORDS, was the DPSA during my tour. I worked in the TOC and Admin.

          The confusion with the team numbers is that there were Mobile Advisory Teams, (MATs) also assigned to Moc Hoa. I can confirm MATs 114 and 112 were both assigned to Moc Hoa while i was there. I believe there were a couple more but i cannot recall their numbers.

          I hope this helps eliminate some of the confusion for everyone. I was wondering the same thing when I saw Kien Tuong listed as Team 81.
          You may contact me directly via email if you wish. I’ll do my best to recall more detail, but alas, that was a long time ago!

          • Thanks for the clarification on the Mobil Advisory Teams. That’s the part I didn’t understand. When I arrived in 68 we were the only advisory team located I SF camp B-41. There were on Mobil teams back then. And the only time we moved was when we went on night ambush missions. But I guess things changed after I left. Thanks again for the clarification.

            David L Krzeminski

  2. Dear Kay,

    Your dad, Wes, and my mother were cousins. Wes’s mother, Bertha (née Dugan) Herrlein was my grandmother’s (Clara) youngest sister. The sisters in between them were Alice and Grace. If I remember correctly, Bertha named Wes’s sisters Alice and Grace too. One of them told me that Wes received his green beret personally from John Kennedy because he was among the first 32 SF soldiers deployed to Vietnam. I think he started three tours there, but never completed one, being wounded each time. The first time I ever heard of a punji stick was after he got one through a foot when he still was a captain.

    The way I heard the story of how he lost his lower left leg was that he saw the lieutenant (mentioned in a comment above) reaching for a ChiCom weapon and shouted for him not to touch it. The lieutenant did nevertheless. It had been booby trapped. Wes survived the blast because his RTO was between him and the lieutenant. The RTO took most of the shrapnel. Though heavily wounded himself, Wes carried his RTO to the helicopter and loaded him onboard. You may know that Moc Hoa was overrun shortly after Wes was evacuated and that his replacement was KIA. Later the base was rebuilt.

    During the rest of his life, Wes had repeated surgeries to remove more of his leg because the circulation in it never was right after the initial amputation. I spent eight years as an IMA in the First Special Warfare Battalion at Ft. Bragg, and so over time came to know, among others, Floyd Thompson, Arthur Simons, Charles Beckwith, and Robert Howard. Like Wes, they all died too young (although Howard did live to age 70, from my perspective that still is rather young). They all were some of the “best men God ever put into boots,” who spent so much of their lives overseas fighting for the US, they had little time in their short lives with their families.

    As a final proof that this message is not from some crank, you had surgery on an eyelid when you were about four years old didn’t you? You and I must be second cousins. I live in Germany (there is a street in Wiesbaden named for Colonel Herrlein, Wes’s dad and your grandad, who ran an Army hospital there after WWII). You can reach me at this email address:
    rrickards@hs-harz.de

    Best regards,

    Robert

  3. Hi Kay,

    Please thank you son for serving. The current military is doing a great job.

    When I came to Moc Hoa August, 1968, I served in MACV and we reported to LTC. Herlein. He also commanded the Special Forces B-41 unit. Your father was a great officer and an excellent leader. He had the respect and admiration of both units. He was a person who led from the front.

    I am hazy on when how he had been wounded. He was visiting one of the A teams and, if I can remember correctly, stepped on an IED when he exited his chopper. The local US doctors did a great job by saving him before he was medevacked to a military hospital. I do remember that his prognosis was not good.

    I hope that the rest of his life was fruitful. He was an impressive man.

    You may want to check the Special Forces sites to find out more information about your Dad.

    I hope this helps.

    Kevin

    • Thank you so much!!! I do intend to phone, but these days have been busy packing all of our son’s things. What a job.
      I was going through some files of my dad’s that my mother left after she passed. It’s all of dad’s citations and only yesterday did I read the Bronze Star details. I’ve looked at the photos and awards plenty of times before. These are the details I found!

      “For heroism in connection with ground operations against a hostile force in the Republic of Vietnam:
      LTC Herrlein distinguished himself by heroism on 18 April 1969 while serving as a mission commander on a combat operation. LTC Herrlein was flying in the command and control aircraft when he was advised that a rifle platoon had come under enemy fire and several American personnel had been injured by mines. He instructed the pilots of the command and control aircraft to go into the minefield for medieval of the wounded. As the aircraft approached, the ground elements indicated a small landing zone in which the aircraft landed. With complete disregard for his own personal safety, he departed the aircraft and entered the midfield. After successfully recovering two seriously injured men, he again entered the minefield, carefully working his way towards a casualty. The rifle platoon leader who was also trying to recover an injured man, actuated a mine. The blast killed him instantly and seriously wounded Colonel Herein. Weakened from his injuries, LTC Herrlein painfully returned to the aircraft. His actions resulted in the recovery of seriously wounded soldiers from an enemy minefield, deeply inspiring every soldier on the operation. LTC Herrlein’s heroism was in keeping with the highest traditions of the military service and reflects great credit upon himself, Special Forces the United States Army.”

      My dad was a hero!

      Growing up, I knew that he had been badly wounded and not expected to survive his wounds.
      I always thought a landmine has been actuated and the blast reached his helicopter. Another soldier told me he thought that the helicopter set off the mine when it landed.

      Dad was full of shrapnel that continued to surface throughout his life. I don’t know how it got back to the helicopter. All of his internal organs had to be wired back in place.

      Dad never talked about it – at least not around me – I was only 12 at the time. Later in life I was focused on friends, school, college, then marriage and a son…I never asked.

      After he retired, which he did not want to do, he went to work for the Department of Justice.
      At 47 he had a massive heart attack and quadruple bypass surgery. Too many blood clots resulted in his losing his left leg. The heart attack and clots were found to be a byproduct of his wounds in Vietnam. He passed away at 58, in 1989.

      He and my mom lived a very blessed life. I am blessed with so many wonderful memories.

      Thank you again for reaching out and I will call you just to chat.

  4. I am sorry I fond remember him. I worked with both Dr. Plus Dr. Sholonski. I was there from June 68 till August 69. I worked in the OR at the hospital in Moc Hoa. I would like to talk to you over the phone. I can call you or you can call me. My # is 608-235-4422. If you want me to call you then please let me now

  5. In leave my note on Gerry McDonald. I mistakenly wrote he passed away on April 6. He passed away April 5, 2016. My mistake.

  6. It is my understanding that my brother, Lt. Gerald F. McDonald, served an advisor with the Mobile Advisory Team IV-114, Kien Tuong Province beginning in March 1971 until sometime later that year when he was assigned to work with USAID. Gerry, who was from New York when entering the US Army and recently lived in Richmond, Va, passed away on April 6, 2016. He did not talk much about Vietnam very often. In helping my family help organize his things, we found a document which referred to his assignment to MAT IV-114 Kien Tuong Province. I am passing this information on to those who may have known him during his time in Vietnam. To all of you who served, thank you for your service.

    • Your brother must have arrived to MAT114 shortly after I rotated back stateside. I was replaced as team leader by a captain. The team should have had an assistant team leader, but I never did. Maybe your brother became the new assistant team leader. I don’t remember the captain’s name now. Mat114 was a good team made up of great professional NCO’s. I wish I could have stayed with them longer

      Sorry for your loss. Maybe one of the other team members will provide you with information regarding your brother’s VN tour. Memories of those days are getting foggy for many of us. Good luck .

      Scott Bogert

      • Scott. Thank you for replying and your condolences. If I find any information related to my brother’s time in Vietnam with MAT-114, I will post.

  7. Hi Scott,
    Do you remember MSGT Robert M Liddell KIA on May 1, 1970 during mortar attack on Dong Tam Base Camp, he served
    with the 114 472 Sig Battalion. I have a photo of him, would you be able to recognize him? Members of his family are
    hoping to locate anyone who may have served with Robert.
    Bob Harik

    • Bob

      I don’t remember MSGT Liddell at all. Sorry, but I can’t even remember the names of everyone on my team. I remember just a couple and the other names escape me now, but not their faces. I truly wish that I could help you.
      MAT 114 was in the field a lot of the time but we had a team house located in Moc Hoa. We were part of MACV Team 85, but we were mobile and seldom went to the Team 85 compound. It torments me not knowing what happened to the team after the swing ship picked me up in the field for stateside rotation.
      I met a lot of good people that I enjoyed knowing. Maybe someday it will all come back to me.
      Good luck with your search.

      Scott

  8. November 6 2015
    MSG 8 Robert M Liddell ADV Team 114 HQ 1970, looking for photo of
    Robert, can anyone help me out.
    Bob Harik, Yuba City, California

  9. I wonder why the MACV team located in Moc Hoa is constantly referred to TM#114. I was stationed there from Aug 4 1968 to Aug 21 1969 and the team that I belonged to was MACV Team # 85. Can someone please explain this to me.

  10. Thanks Doug,

    In reply your comment on the AHC helicopter downed on 1 September 1969, (after I left Vietnam), it is always sad to hear of loss of American life and/or Vietnamese life in Vietnam. As advisors, some of us found many good VN friends.

    Most of us knew former soldiers inscribed today on that most sad VN Wall.

    There was an earlier border incident that happened during the day in 1969 when a U.S. helicopter was shot down with a mortar round over Cambodia slightly north of Moc Hoa..

    As an advisor, I heard the details from my Vietnamese counterpart who heard the details from a Vietnamese civilian who crossed the Vietnamese/Cambodian border often. This civilian actually saw this downed helicopter.

    About six (6) days later, a description of the downing of this helicopter came from home by mail, which had been printed in the New Orleans Times Picayune newspaper.

    I also remember Moc Hoa shops had expensive china that was manufactured in Communist China that was delivered across the Kien Tuong border from Cambodia. We were warned in our B-41 Compound that if we tried to bring home such items or other items found in Moc Hoa made in Communist China, they would be confiscated by Americans in a pre-customs check prior to departure to the U. S. ….. not long afterwards, Nixon made friends with China & the U. S. began trading with China.

  11. I just found this site and read some of your comments.
    I also was in Moc Hoa, B-41 compound from June 68 – Aug.69 with advisory team 85 as a medic. I new the Dr’s very well. I worked in the operating room for the duration of my tour. I would like to hear from any one who also was there.

  12. In above June 5, 2015 message, delete 1963 and substitute 1863 … some say 1862; and for historical purposes, the former separate French Colony of Cochin-China, (in Indo-China), included all of Saigon, its Capitol, and a few provinces above Saigon and all provinces South of Saigon..

  13. FWIW: After all of us who lived in B41 are all gone, someone may be looking at this site like Ancestry.com.

    Anyway, Randy Shotwell was a Captain and a most dedicated and very compassionate person who worked with Dr. John Goudelock at the Moc Hoa Hospital with Vietnamese Doctor Manh and Vietnamese male nurse Mr. Long. There were several U. S. enlisted medics who worked with them along with several Vietnamese nurses.. After each mortar attack, often at midnight or 3:00 a.m. this whole medical group would pile up in (2) jeeps and head up Cong Hoa Boulevard, (in the dark), up to the Moc Hoa Hospital to take care of casualties. Even though medics are not supposed to be armed, because the Moc Hoa Hospital had no perimeter guards, they all left the B-41 compound well armed with rifles pointing in the air. On occasion, Randy used to put on sun glasses in the B-41 club and sing a few blues. I had heard from Dr. John Goudelock in about 1980 that Randy was a medical advisor of sorts living in Virginia. Mr. Long wrote to me several times after coming to California in 1975, but later died …still have his letters written in French. A couple of years ago my wife and I went to visit Dr. Manh and his wife who currently live in Paris. Dr. Manh had recently contacted Dr. Goudelock via email. Dr. Manh was a graduate from the University of Paris.

    Kien Tuong Province was part of IV Corps, which was the former French Colony called Cochin-China since 1963, where anyone born prior to 1948 could apply for and be granted French citizenship. All of the Vietnamese who had attended school prior to 1955 or so in this former French Colony, with at least a 3rd grade education, were educated in French and I immediately found that they all spoke French fluently in addition to Vietnamese. — North Vietnam was different during colonia times and was formerly a French Protectorate, and I, II, and III Corps were formerly part of Annam, a Vietnamese Colonial Kingdom under former Vietnamese King Bao-Dai who was still living in France in the late 1960’s..

    I remember after a mortar attack Colonel Herlein held a ceremony in B-41 to award Purple Hearts to several who were injured in a mortar attack. On one particular mortar attack occasion, some were wounded when a mortar round hit near the entrance to a bunker and shrapnel circled around along the inside wall of the bunker injuring several. I stayed in the Army Reserves 26 years after leaving Moc Hoa in August of 1969 … never forget faces, but have difficulty with names after meeting so many in the Army in the remaining 26 years.

    I think if someone would look up Dr. John Goudelock, he would remember all of his assigned officers and enlisted personnel. He was originally from New Albany, Mississippi. He and I entered and left Vietnam about the same time ….. he always worked tirelessly and was a very dedicated, gifted, and talented doctor and surgeon.

    • Hi, My name is Kay Herrlein Mamo. My father was LTC Wesley Herein. He retired in 1971. He passed away in 1989. I’m trying to research his time in Vietnam. I just read your post from last year. Do you know about his being wounded on April 18, 1969?
      My son, George Wesley, is following in his footsteps and will report to Ft Benning next week.

  14. Please disregard.
    Sadly, for those of you who may have known him, Randy passed away in 2008 in Virginia Beach, Virginia.

    Someone may still be able to inform me however. It seems Randy was a Captain, and a medical officer. I’m pretty sure the fellow that helped me at the B-41 compound that day was an enlisted medic.

    Any thoughts? Sp5 Ron Petell?

  15. Can anyone let me know how to reach Randy Shotwell? He may have dressed my injury after a daylight mortar attack at the B-41 compound, around March 1969.

    Marc Ericksen, 2Lt., asst Team Leader, MAT 62, Moc Hoa.

  16. Kevin–

    Thanks for the feed back! Guess I’ll let the deceased lie in peace. No need
    pummeling his loved ones over the head with the fact he was not SF. You’re
    right about the disproportionate influence the military had on our lives. But
    I’d do it again in a heartbeat! Ha!

  17. I saw the name Durus Bailey here. I grew up with him. He came from a broken home (as we called it in the 1950s) and was prone to elaborate stories to pump up his ego. He played drums and claimed to have played Gene Krupa to a tie in a drum battle!

    I joined the Army in 1967. He was drafted around the same time. After his discharge I met him at a local store where he claimed to have been a Green Beret! His obituary (just do a search for Durus Bailey, Sr., honoring memories) makes the same claim. He was a very intense fellow and made Solider of the Month, but I find it hard to believe he was Special Forces (he was only enlisted for two years). Can anybody shed light on this for me? Thanks!

    • Hi Jon,

      I knew Durus well. He worked for me and was a SP 5 when I left country in July, 1969.

      In spite of Durus’ need to exaggerate, he was a good worker. I am not surprised that he received a “Soldier of the Month” award. If I remember correctly, I put him in for his promotion to Spc 5.

      You are right. Durus was not SF. He was part of MACV Advisory Team #85. We worked for a SF Ltc. from about June 1968 until January, 1969. The Ltc. also ran the SF Detachment, B-41, that had responsibility for the SF operations in Kien Toung Province. Special Forces was nice enough to share their compound with us. MACV finally moved into their own compound in about September, 1969 (I was back stateside by then). Although we were billeted with SF, we were separate from them and had a separate mission to support the RF/PF forces in the Province.

      Strangely enough, Durus found me 30 years after Vietnam service. He called to ask for help with a PTSD VA application that he was making. I was living in Ann Arbor, MI at the time and he was in Oklahoma. I wrote a letter for the VA that explained that the SF compound was frequently under mortar attack and the stress of being mortared could cause PTSD. In his claim for PTSD, Durus also mentioned experiences he had which rivaled John Wayne’s movie career. As you said, he was prone to exaggeration. He did get a 100%+ rating for PTSD and was quite grateful for my letter of support. He even sent Omaha Steaks as a thank you gift after he received his rating and back pay.

      Durus kept in close contact (I remember his 3 AM calls well) until close to the end of his life. I kick myself for insisting he only call before 10 PM eastern. He stopped calling a few months before he died. He said he was down to 85 lbs. near the end of his life.

      As I said above, Durus was really a hard worker and a pretty nice guy.

      I hope this answers your questions about him. If not, just shoot me another email.

      Thanks for serving. The few years that many of us have spent in service has left a disproportionate influence on our lives.

      Kevin

  18. Hi Trevor,

    Appears I remember this soldier with the Moc Hoa MACV Team 85 medical guys.

    I don’t have addresses or phone numbers of the following 2 former MACV Team 85 soldiers; however, if you could Google Dr. John Goudelock originally from & later working around New Albany MS, or Medical NCO Supervisor Randy Shotwell who later worked around D. C. or the East Coast, I am sure they could definitely provide details.

    These medical guys mostly worked out of the Vietnamese Moc Hoa Hospital on Cong Hoa Boulevard, (south of the B-41 Compound), associated with the Vietnamese Chief of Staff Doctor Manh, a graduate from University of Paris.

    After every Moc Hoa mortar attack, (always either around midnight or around 3:00 a.m.), almost the entire MACV medical group would head down to the Vietnamese Hospital in 2 jeeps to attend to casualties.

    I stopped to visit with Dr. Manh & his wife a couple of years ago in Paris.

    Not much, but maybe every little bit helps.

  19. Hi there I just found this website and I was wondering if you knew anything about Dallas Lamdon Padgett? He died in 1969 and i was looking to get some more info about his death and his unit as a whole.

  20. Hi Marilyn,

    I cannot disagree with your above comments.

    I was strangely ordered to go to the border by UAAID & MACV in late 1969, but I never crossed.

    Many things done never made too much sense.

    At the end of 1968 & beginning of 1969, I remember my counter part, (Do Dinh Phuc), & I discussing how Sihanouk was trying to test the waters to try to normalize relations with the U. S. for far more reasons than one. Also knew a guy in MIKE Forces from Martinique who was a former French Legionnaire who spoke of relations with Cambodia often.

    Sihanouk appointed General Lon Nol who was negotiating with the Americans prior to Sihanouk’s deposition, & prior to Sihanouk’s long vacation away from Phnom Penh..

    Just from what I heard back then, I doubt seriously if Sihanouk was aware the true nature of secrete talks between the U. S. & General Lon Nol; hence, when he began hearing of the very forceful plans for his deposition it was all too late.

    The bombing missions in Cambodia were supposed to be secrete; but ;like anything else, I remember the Vietnamese knew everything going on … all one had to do was ask.

    I never found out all of the details of LTC Terrell’s orders about Cambodia, but I thought it had to do with local Kien Tuong Vietnamese Soldiers as opposed to ARVN soldiers from elsewhere. On TV I remember seeing his interpreter riding with him in that boat in high water marsh land.

    When General Abrams came to Moc Hoa after Nixon’s Vietnamisation plans were beginning, both SF B-41 Commanders & MACV Team 85 Commanders were shocked when he left & he did not stop in at B-41 to see them ….. he went further south down Cong Hoa Boulevard to visit with the CIA civilians & State Department USAID & held a private meeting on what we were told was on Cambodian operations.

    I recognized & saw this same CIA guy a year later in New Orleans & he ran from me. I tried to catch up with him, but I later realized he did not want to be recognized.

    After becoming friends with, & reviewing the Moc Hoa’s ice man’s operation on the Vam Co Tai River adjacent to the Moc Hoa water plant, he confided in me that he was making over the equivalent of $100.00.00 in U. S. Dollars a year selling ice in Kien Tuong Province. He met his brother on the Cambodian border every week to give him money to deposit in his bank account in the Bank of France.

    I wrote to about 4- 5 Vietnamese until 1975 after I left Moc Hoa including Doctor Manh at the Moc Hoa hospital — after the Communist flag went up in April 1975 I quit writing. They all wrote in French,

    Several of the Vietnamese who made it to the boats & came here to California were getting information from Moc Hoa through the Vatican — lots of the news was so very sad.

    I spoke to LTC Terrell several years ago but his wife Aylene later told me he died.

    Thanks.

    Henry

  21. Hi Tom,

    His report which happened around late August of 1969 appears very factual for several reasons.

    I left Vietnam with MACV Dr. John Goodelock to come home maybe around August 26, 1969.

    MACV Commander LTC Terrell in August 1969 was trying to get me to stay in Moc Hoa another 6 months or a year to supervise the final construction of the new MACV compound, & also to assist with his very “new” Joint Vietnamese Infantry Mission to enter where we were never allowed to visit …………………… i.,e., Cambodia.

    Prince Sinaouk was overthrown when he visited China & U. S. friendly Cambodian General Lon Nol had just taken over Cambodia..

    Entering Cambodia was supposed to be a Top Secret joint MACV/South Vietnamese mission. The civilian USAID State Department Mr. Richard White was the big boss in Kien Tuong Province at that time who took all orders from State Department’s John Paul Van & passed them on to the Moc Hoa military SF & MACV.

    Moc Hoa was only about 5-6 miles from the unmarked Cambodian no-fly zone.

    Anyway, right after I got home, maybe August 31, 1969 I turned on the TV 6 o’clock news, & I see LTC Ernest Terrell riding in a boat, “in Cambodia”, accompanied by several South Vietnamese Infantry soldiers in boats & South Vietnamese Infantry ground troops.

    Not too long prior to this, when I was still in Moc Hoa, a U.S. work helicopter was shot down with a mortar round after flying over a Cambodian Army Base north of Moc Hoa — this made newspapers all over the U. S.

    Because the border was difficult to see from the air, the work helicopter unit requested that someone from Moc Hoa ride with the Monday, Wednesday, & Friday work helicopter pilot to point out the border.

    Naturally because I was the only Engineer Officer in the then Kien Tuong Province, & because U. S. Army Engineers are the Army cartographers who draw military maps, guess who got to ride shotgun in the chopper every Monday, Wednesday, & Friday with the pilot — I just made damn sure we did not enter Cambodia. I’ never forgot our local map coordinates beginning with X-ray-Sierra, (XS).

    Hope this helps.

    Henry

    • Henry : well we all deal with the “mists of time ” ….. Sihanouk was deposed in March of 1970. ARVN/US troops crossed the border in the last days of April , first days of Ma y 1970. Prior to that occasional ad hoc border crossings occurred to recover bodies from shoot downs, typically by SF due to their camp locations or conventional infantry circumstantially nearby. Other than that nobody was in Cambodia , Laos etc other than MACV/SOG .

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      • I was at an Intelligence Base in Honolulu then later at Trax HQ’s in Binh Hoa. One of my jobs was tracking KIA/WIA’s..there were thousands of KIA Cambonians in late 1970’s from US air strikes…many US Army troops (100’s) were transfered out of the Army to work for the CIA to demo Cambon’s bridges along the boarder. So, much changed in 1970 and 71.

    • Henry : that actually sounded a little snarky ….. That was not my intent . We were very close to the border. All the B-41 A-Camps and Moc Hoa itself were very close. Our (A-413) FOB was right on the line on the SE corner of the Crow’s Nest. Terrell may have been on the Vam Co Tay or other tributary close to the border, but I don’t believe he was in Cambodia with ARVN troops in 1969.

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    • On 1 September 1969 a 114th AHC helicopter UH-1D 66-16849 was shotdown just inside Cambodia near Moc Hoa.in the night time . The Special Forces officer on board was Captain Michael Thomas Burns. He was badly wounded and died 6 September 1969.

  22. Henry : Google ” Witness to night shoot down” a blog entry from a 114th AHC Red Knight pilot that references staging out of Moc Hoa and picking up troops from my former camp BTT SF Detachment A-413 . But it doesn’t jibe with our detachment history, and he IDs the American advisor as MACV. Was the pilot confused, and does anyone recognize this engagement ? Tom

    • Tom, do you remember SFC Robert Lee Henderson? We are trying to get him honored but need a photo of him. Can you help. Maybe giv eus a lead?

      • Jim : I’m SO SORRY ! I must have missed your post . I haven’t been in this site in a long time . Just got an email today that took me back to the thread. I DEFINITELY remember Robert L. Henderson ( Hendu as we called him). He was a weapons specialist on our team A-413 BTT (Binh Thanh Thon) . I was the XO. He was mortally wounded on June 15, 1970 leading a Camp Strike Force element in Cambodia. I was back at B-41 at the time , probably scrounging supplies or picking up payroll. The S-3 hunted me down and told me of the contact and that casualties were inbound. I grabbed a jeep and headed to meet the choppers. I helped unload the wounded, and then the KIAs. Hendu and our interpreter Lat were two of them. They would have been in the command group. The senior SF medic, whose name I can’t remember, pulled me into the dispensary and said ,”We take care of our own”. He then had me help prep Hendu’s body before transfer to graves registration. If he hadn’t been one of my brothers , this would have been more than difficult for me to do, and I’ve treated seriously wounded under fire. This was different. It is forever etched in my mind. There are days on the calendar EVERY year that I pause to remember my fallen team members. On June 15th every year I look up and tell Hendu he is remembered , and I hope I have been able to live my life in a way that honors his sacrifice.i have very few photos of my time in country. Actually I had none until 3 years ago when my 94 year old father told me there was some “stuff ” of mine in the attic. It wasn’t much , but it included about a dozen photos I’d sent home and my dear departed mother had saved. Unfortunately Hendu isn’t in any of them. There is one impromptu team photo and I can pretty much narrow down the time frame. I believe Hendu would have still been there, but not all team members are in it. Probably in the field. How did you know Hendu and if there’s ANYTHING I can do to help honor him, please let me know ! I have touched his name on The Wall MANY times.

  23. Tom,

    Sincere thanks for B-41 information — I had seen this B-41 information a few years back.

    From August 1968 to August 1969 I was assigned to MACV Team 85 in Moc Hoa which was even for years prior to this & afterwards co-located in Special Forces Compound B-41 in the town of Moc Hoa,in Kien Tuong Province.

    I have no idea why MACV Team 85 is listed here on this site in conjunction with, or associated with Tieu Can-Vinh Binh ………….. or why Kien Tuong is listed with MACV Team 114 in lieu of MACV Team 85

    Few years from now we may all be forgotten.

    Henry

  24. I note references to B-41. Don’t see any recent posts. If anyone is still looking , Google Special Forces books (RadixPress) B-41 and you will find a roster of SF personnel who served there. It is self reported (through the mists of time ) and so not necessarily complete or completely accurate as to dates and assignments. But Sherm has done a great job gathering all this. You can also search B-41 A-Team personnel rosters by team designation eg A–413 , A-415 etc, or camp name BTT, Tuyen Nhon etc

  25. Hi Eddie,

    If he was in the B-41 Compound located in Moc Hoa, co-located with us, i.e., also with MACV Team 85, I would probably remember him if I saw a photo; however, some Special Forces personnel were out away from Moc Hoa scattered in smaller A Teams in Kien Tuong Province & we did not see them very often.

    Also, some Special Forces soldiers were located across the Moc Hoa 1,000 meter long airfield, (a little further west), in the Special Forces MIKE Forces Compound. They were advisors to the South Vietnamese soldiers of Cambodian origin. We did not see them often either.

    Soldiers of Cambodian origin & soldiers of Vietnamese origin never got along at all, so the U. S. kept them separated in separate military compounds.

    The Vietnamese are of Chinese origin & were known years ago as Mongoloids; & the Cambodians are of East Indian origin & were known years ago as Caucasians; hence, this is why these colonies were formerly named Indochina.

    Just hope this helps.

    Henry

  26. Hi Eddie,

    If you obtain no positive reply, do not think that none of us care.

    Usually while in the service, most of us went through different training units, like Basic Training, Advanced Individual Training, possibly NCO Schools, Officer Schools, & after some time we meet & see so many soldiers for short period of time most of us forget names; however, many never forget faces.

    There were also a few other Regular Army & Regular Navy soldiers in units in Kien Tuong Province in 1969 who we never saw or had a chance to meet because we were either MACV Military Advisors or in Special Forces I hope somebody can give more detail, but it may help if you could offer a few more details. Thanks for your very kind remarks — they are most appreciated.

    Henry

    • Thanks for the reply Henry…by the way…my uncle was in Special Forces and if i can remember correctly, he was also an Advisor….i will have to check on that
      but thanks anyway
      Eddie

  27. Hello. My name is Eddie Horton and I just found this site, and it makes me feel good to read about you guys that were there. I had an uncle that died in Kien Tuong in Mar. 1969. His name was Kyle Waldrop. If this name rings a bell to you guys please post something you might know. Thank you very much and thank you for your service to the United States of America.
    Eddie Horton

  28. Hi Kevin,

    I also remember “why” Colonel Herlein went down that Canal with a small group to the A Team below Ap Bac when he got shot on the return trip — VC ambush round went clean through his neck — while waiting for a Medevac from Moc Hoa he was joking & asking Dr. John Goudelock for a shot of whisky while John was trying to stop the bleeding.

    Dr. John Goudelock was an untiring very hard MACV worker from around New Albany MS. I later visited with him in MS.

    After every mortar attack they headed to the hospital to take care of the wounded VN civilians injured with mortar rounds. John helped so many VN children & brought them back to life with very simple cures — very compassionate individual & a super surgeon. He performed some most successful surgeries that some other doctors would never have tried — he even wrote to the States for Medical Books on difficult surgical procedures & would read them far into the night. The other American doctor did not make this same impression.

    John & I arrived in Moc Hoa & left on the same day — when we first arrived, the first VN doctor was Dr. Phuc, very lazy …. later came Dr. Manh, who worked as hard as John — Dr. Manh asked me in French to tell John that he & his pharmacist wife owned seven (7) pharmacies in Saigon & that they did not need to steal like Dr. Phuc was doing in selling medicine that should be given out for free — we all laughed — Dr. manh was a man of high integrity like my counterpart Engineer Do Dinh Phuc.

    One other guy on the Medical Team was Randy Shotwell — super nice dedicated medic — on some nights he used to put on his dark sun glasses & sing rock & roll & blues songs in the B-41 Club. He did well in the medical field when he returned to the States according to Dr. Goudelock.

    Major Henry airdropped large rubber balls with the South Vietnamese Flag printed on them — when the VC took them away, the children would get mad & hate the VC — for VN adults, they air dropped flag-printed toilet paper rolls — when the VC took them away, same same..

    I responded to Jim Doyle’s email with an email & photo attachments; but when I copied you with the 103@comcast email address, it bounced back.

    Please send me you email address.

    Henry

  29. Hi Henry,

    I remember Goudelock well. We were assigned the same hooch (unlike Jim, I was able to stay at the SF compound my entire tour). I remember that he had a tough, tough schedule and spent a lot of time at the Vietnamese hospital. He did a lot to save Heirlen’s life when he was wounded. There was another LT in the hooch who worked for Driscoll in the S-3 and I can’t remember his name for the life of me. He had gone to Australia for R & R, met someone, divorced his wife and, I believe, he was going to marry the Australian. He extended his tour and was still there when I left. He wore an “ear necklace”. Wasn’t Goudelock from Mississippi? There was another doctor and someone from the MSC who was a hospital administrator type. I liked all of the medical team.

    I didn’t know about the interrogation. Goudelock was definitely a doctor first when he did not allow the SF to drag the NVA soldier out of the hospital. He did do the right thing.

    You’re right. Henry was a good guy. Officially, I think he was S-5. I remember he always went up with the Army FO in his O-1 and dropped leaflets throughout the province. I am not sure how much good the leaflets did since no one ever surrendered to me.

    You got me in the mood. I am doing a class on Vietnam in September and I had better get back doing the prep work.

    Take care and have a great 4th.

    Kevin

  30. Hi Kevin,

    Every time you guys mention something about Moc Hoa, for me it is like opening up an old book with dust on it & turning to a story or comment on a particular page & it all comes back to me in detail.

    I remember the FAC that was there for a long time when I was there — a perfect gentleman.

    I also remember General Abrams was a former Armor Officer.

    After he took over & first came to Moc Hoa, we all knew he was coming. First a group of helicopters circled Moc Hoa & the air field for about 5 minutes. Then a second group of helicopters came in & landed at the Moc Hoa Airfield. Never saw so many helicopters in one day.

    Both SF LTC Herlein & MAVC LTC Terrel were completely shocked & totally pissed because General Abrams did not come to our B-41 Compound to visit with them — he went to the U. S. Embassy compound further down the street to meet with the civilians guys who had the tall Chinese Soldiers from the Saigon Cholon Area who wore black scarfs with a skull & cross bones on their scarfs. These taller soldiers of Chinese origin were authorized to eliminate or kill any Vietnamese who they even “thought” was a VC or a spy.

    I used to visit the Embassy Compound sometimes at night with our U. S. MACV doctor; i.e., Dr. John Goudelock. John refused SF from questioning a wounded North Vietnamese soldier after the civilians at the Embassy questioned him & the North Vietnamese soldier passed out. SF sent for a SF Medic from Can Tho to demand release from the Moc Hoa Hospital — they brought the NVA soldier to B-41 in a room next to my sleeping room near the two (2) masonry water tanks, & across from the Mess Hall.

    SF and the South Vietnamese questioned him until about 3:00 a.m. the following morning until he died — I could not sleep — he was tortured & screaming often — I thought this was so cruel.

    Anyway, the straw that broke the camel’s back was that General Abrams met with U. S. Embassy Civilians, one of which was a former sergeant in the Marines, (I think Marines), & not even an Officer. I think these civilians put a bug in General Abrams ear that every time a VC or North Vietnamese was captured, it was an in-house war to see “who” would interrogate him & get “brownie points” for sending juicy news to higher headquarters.

    Not much later, General Abrams made a second trip to Moc Hoa shortly thereafter & opened up a big can of Whip-Ass on our B-41 SF Commander & our LTC Team 85 MACV Commander.

    The IG came not too long after the dust settled. I had already given up on getting R & R and (7) day leave until the IG came — remember I scheduled & I took both R&R and Leave at the end of my tour in August 1968.

    Remember the lady who cleaned the Boa Snake cage every day — have pictures of him eating a live, whole chicken.

    Also remember MACV Major Henry — very nice & courteous black gentleman from the French Side & French District of the Virgin Isles — wasn’t he in PSYOPS?

    Back to work!

    Henry

  31. Hi Henry/Dave/Jim,

    It is great to see this board so active. Dave, see what you started.

    Jim, welcome. We just had a former Vietnam War POW address our local veterans’ group, BG Jon Reynolds (USAF Retired). He was not only a great speaker but a really good guy. He was a FAC on his first Vietnam tour.

    I knew the two FACs who were in Moc Hoa before your tour. I really liked both of them. The Air Force was more civilian than the Army and I always felt that I was a civilian on temporary assignment to the Army. We were promoted faster in the Army than you guys since we were better looking, smarter and more “John Wayne-ish”. The major AF FAC retired when he finished his tour and went on to teach at a college, somewhere in Tennessee – I think. The LT I thought was still there when I DROSed in late June, 1969. The were both “nice guys” and did not get kicked out of the SF compound. Henry did not mention it, but he was the guy that brought us running water and decreased our body oder by about 90%.

    You may have piloted me on one of my flights. We lived in Florida and Atlanta for a while. Also, I spent a lot of time on NWA when we were in Minneapolis and Ann Arbor, MI. When you mentioned that you had a co-pilot who found ‘Snuffy’, it further proves that it is a small, small world.

    Henry, good to see you on the board again. You did not mess around on whom you chose to complain about no R & R. He was pretty effective in getting you out of country. Do you remember what month that was? General Abrams came to Moc Hoa in January, 1969. We were all prepared to brief him – both MACV and SF. Instead of the briefing, he kicked us all out and laced into Terrell and Heirlein for acting like a couple of kids who could not get along and thought that both of their time could be better spent doing something about the infiltration of NVA than arguing. I thought that the IG may have been there to follow up on Abrams trip.

    Dave, take care and enjoy Michigan. Were the fireworks last weekend? The Detroit/Windsor fireworks were one of the best I have seen. They may have been cancelled because of the financial condition of both cities.

    Gentlemen, again it great to see activity on the board. Have a great 4th of July.

    Kevin

  32. Hi Jim,

    Keep saying I remember faces but really I remember few names.

    Any way, glad to hear from you Jim.

    I remember the day LTC Beck’s helicopter got blown up. As Engineer Advisor to the Kien Tuong Province Chief Engineer Do Dinh Phuc, we were aware of the “Top Secret” mines being air dropped between Moc Hoa & the Cambodian Border.

    Our Kien Tuong Province/Cambodian border was at the end of the protected Ho Chi Minh trail.

    Most VC supplies going to Mid & South IV Corps Vietnam came through Kien Tuong Province. These air dropped mines were on trial & were supposed to impede VC supplies & VC replacement forces.

    There were other helicopters flying with the one LTC Beck was on. When they came back to Moc Hoa airfield, a helicopter pilot told me that LTC Beck wanted to see some of the air dropped mines. LTC beck kept asking the helicopter pilot to get down closer. This area was covered with thick reeds, (Plain of Reeds — in French, “La Plaine des Joncs), According to the other pilot, the reeds started whipping with the wind force of the helicopter blades & set off what was thought to be an anti-tank mine. They said his helicopter bounced upwards & was totally in flames before it hit ground. So sad, Nobody wanted to go down in the thick reeds to see if there were any survivors because they landed in a very dangerous “un-charted” mine field.

    NATO requires that normal Allied minefields be “charted” with mines measured & drawn to rough scale on a Map, measured in foot-steps so that they could be disarmed & removed later. These Top Secret air dropped mines had built in acid which was supposed to disarm them in a few years so no maps were drawn.

    When I left Vietnam I continued to write to my counter-part in French — everybody in our office could speak, read, & write French. I spoke French every day with all of them & all of the Vietnamese Officials & Vietnamese military officers in Kien Tuong.

    Below Saigon was the Cochine China part of French Indochina known as “Cochin-Chine” which was a French Colony with the capitol in Saigon. Vietnamese born in Cochin-Chine prior to 1948 had dual citizenship — France & Vietnam. Central Vietnam was a Kingdom with Bao-Dai as King who much later died in France — the capitol was Hue. North Vietnam was a French Protectorate with the capitol in Hanoi.

    My Vietnamese counter-part Do Dinh Phuc later came to the US in late April of 1975 with three(3) baby sons & his wife with the “Boat People”. He was born in North Vietnam near Dien Bien Phu on the Red River. I worked in & out of his office every day — he gave me a desk adjacent to his. He was a very intelligent educated graduate engineer from University of Saigon. (He later received his Masters Degree at University of CA — all A’s)

    As a Catholic, he left Communist North Vietnam & escaped to South Vietnam by boat with the famous American Doctor Tom Dooley who evacuated many Catholics in the mid 1950’s. This escape to the US was his second escape.

    Do changed his name in the US to Peter Do. One son, Pat is an Orthopedic Surgeon in Kansas city with a family. The baby son is a Doctor of Internal Medicine, with a family, still in Orange County, CA — he is in charge of a large hospital with about 1,000 doctors under him. The middle son was doing well in Real Estate.

    His father invited us to go to his youngest son’s wedding in CA. At the reception of about 300 Vietnamese where we were the only Americans, the father got up & started “chanting” like the Vietnamese did in Vietnam at very special ceremonies. Everybody was quiet as he spoke in this auditorium.

    I started crying because in every paragraph he mentioned my name — Trung Uy Chauvin, i.e., Lieutenant Chauvin — my wife saw my tears & asked, “What is he talking about?” — I was able to barely say he was talking about me & how I helped & worked with his people in Vietnam.

    When he finished, he looked at me & smiled & asked me to stand. All 300 Vietnamese stood up & clapped — I was speechless & could not utter one word. if I live to be 1,000 I will never forget his smile.

    Peter had named his youngest Doctor son Henry — after me.

    Peter Do later died & we went to CA where the family asked me to be a pallbearer & give the eulogy — he always called me his brother.

    We are still friends with his children.

    Could go on & on, but getting late — most of America never knew & still will never know what Vietnam was like when we were there.

    Henry

  33. Hi David,

    In August 68 they first incorrectly sent me to Team 84 in Cai-Lai, Kien Phong Province.

    The Commander was a LTC Special Forces Engineer Branch Officer named Callahan — I was engineer branch also — he had no idea who sent me to Team 84 so as an Engineer officer, he made me an Infantry Advisor to a Vietnamese infantry Unit out in the boonies — not a soul could speak English & the departing US Infantry Advisor Fremont from New York had gone to language school at FT. Benning — he left in a couple of days so I spoke French every day ….. all day & all night.

    Later, USAiD from Moc Hoa called Calahan & told him to send me to Moc Hoa.

    On the day I arrived in Moc Hoa in an Air America Helio airplane, I sat on the runway for about an hour before a USAID Vietnamese employee picked me up & brought me to the USAiD office.

    Mr. White, State Department Foreign Officer 0-4 brought me to meet SF Commander LTC Herlein & the then MACV Commander, ( before LTC Terrell) — (cannot remember his name). Mr. white told both commanders he knew I was military but if Special Forces gave me an order, and/or if the MACV Commander gave me an order, & if Mr. white gave me an order ………….. that I was to follow Mr. Whites’s orders.

    From then on I never had any problems with anybody. I stayed in the B-41 Compound for the entire year.

    I was assigned a room with an Army pilot who flew an Army Bird Dog Plane every day. i cannot remember his name — he was an American but said he was born in Morocco when his American Dad & Mom were stationed there.

    He gave me one of his extra Smith & Wesson’s .38 caliber pistols from his predecessor pilot with a leather holster that could be carried as a concealed weapon. I wore that concealed .38 S & W every day & never told a soul — when I left I gave it to the new MACV S-! in August 1969 — this MACV S-1 was a real super guy — he told me he put me in for a Bronze Star which I received later in the States.

    I remember the mortar pit accident. Very sad. I think SF SGT Evans was in charge of the mortar ammo stored in the B-41 compound surrounded by sand bags. SGT Evans was one of the best SF Sgts. I ever met — very level headed & intelligent.

    Henry

  34. Hi Kevin,

    Late responding also.

    In July of 69 I kept applying for R & R & also 7 days leave but was always denied same in Can Tho for some excuse..

    About mid July 69 I went to the airfield to coordinate work on the airfield when a Lieutenant Colonel got off of a helicopter by himself. I took my jeep & drove over to pick him up.

    Found out he was an Army Inspector General, IG, coming to visit Team 85 & B-41 Special Forces. Took him to B-41 where the B-41 S-1 told him to go to the USAID compound where he might have an “air-conditioned” room to sleep.

    Went to USAID where they told him he could sleep in an extra air-conditioned trailer out back facing the air-field. I carried his duffle bag to the trailer. Then he asked me what did I think. I told him I personally would not try to sleep here. I told him we were getting mortared often & that I would stay in the B-41 Compound with soldiers as opposed to with USAID civilians. I told him my B-41 roommate went on R & R & his bunk was empty but no air-conditioning. He looked around for about 15 minutes & asked to go to B-41.

    Well, we got mortared at midnight — USAID was hit bad — next morning I went to the USAID Compound to find that all (4) tires on their Land-Rover vehicle were flat — Mr. Harry’s bedroom at USAID received a mortar round that collapse his sand bag bed on top of him — and the “air-conditioned” trailer was full of shrapnel holes.

    Went back to B-41 to get the IG LTC to show him what would have happened if he would have stayed in the USAID “air-conditioned” trailer. (Still have pictures of USAID Land-Rover & trailer.)

    Later that night in the B-41 club he came to thank me for the advice & asked if I needed help with anything — I told him about no R & R & no 7 day leave — he called Can Tho the next morning & found out some soldier was illegally selling R & R’s & 7 day leaves & that mine were sold to somebody else. In about 15 minutes he got everything straight after checking with the MACV S-1 — first went to Hong Kong for 7 days R & R , & later Japan for 7 days leave — then after about 1-1/2 weeks in Moc Hoa left to return to the “Land of the Big PX”, USA.

    Glad to here you are doing better.

    Henry

  35. Hi David,

    Trying to play “Catch-Up’ to all of these MACV messages. I remember SGT Watson 7 SGT. Hughes.

    I always went to the same B-41 Compound south-east corner bunker, farthest away from the front street, Cong-Hoa Boulevard.

    Every time we had a mortar attack, mostly either at mid-night or at 3:00 a.m., Sgt Watson would come to the bunker limping with sandals on instead of boots because his feet were hurting. He was a very kind person a very compassionate person who always appeared to try his best to help anyone.

    One night after a mortar attack it got so hot in that small concrete bunker, we all stepped outside to cool off — one of the Special Forces Officer asked Sgt. Watson what would he do without boots if we had to evacuate the B-41 Compound.

    Sgt. Watson said he would not run away ….. he would stay in the B-41 Compound & Parry right & Parry left like that in bayonet training & just push the mortar rounds away to the right or to the left — he was motioning with his hands and arms to show how he would do it.

    Instead of the Special Forces Officer laughing with the rest of us MACV guys he got mad & told all of us we were idiots.

    Henry

  36. Hi Kevin,

    Now that you say S-1 – Graves, I remember he was known as Captain “Bud” Graves.– real nice gentleman — appears all of the MACV guys got along with each other.

    Henry

  37. Hi David,

    I had gone to some of the MAT Teams & Special Forces A Teams away from Moc Hoa but still in Kien Tuong Province when I was a Class A Agent with the Army payroll paying soldiers in about the month of October 1968.

    We were so few American soldiers between Special Forces & MACV that with the helicopter assignment, one could pay all Americans soldiers in Kien Tuong Province in one (1) day.

    Pay roll was picked up at the Air Field in Can Tho — the Finance Offices were in several Army GP medium tents.

    As the selected October Class A agent I had not gotten paid since I arrived in Vietnam in August 1968. I told the Finance Officer in Can Tho I was not leaving Can Tho until I got paid. They looked for my pay records in the Officer Files for about (2) hours.

    Then I asked them to maybe check the enlisted files because I had gone through Basic Training & AIT training at Fort Leonard Wood, MO; & OCS Engineer School at Fort Belvoir, VA, as an enlisted soldier.

    There was my file …… with the enlisted files —– had quite a wad of cash while in Moc Hoa.

    Later in the Reserves, I went to Kaiserslautern three (3) times — even lived in Detroit a short while in 1966 before joining the Army — Joined at Fort Wayne, Detroit October 26, 1966 — looks like we crossed paths a few times.

    Henry

  38. Hi Scott,

    I was there in B-41 August 68 to August 69.

    I remember when the Navy came to Moc Hoa. As the Kiien Tuong Province Military Engineer Officer Advisor, I had to get an LUC signed, i.e., Land Use Concurrence between the then Province Chief Colonel Ly Troung My, the U. S. Navy, & our local State Department Official Mr. White with USAID.

    I suggested the Navy dock on the north, (Cambodian), side of the Vam Co Tay River & place that high chain-link fence on the same north side to repel any incoming mortars aimed at their boats..

    The navy lost almost all of their initial soldiers in a short time while on patrol on their PBR’s, Patrol Boat Riverine.

    One night while on all night TOC duty, Tactical Operations Duty in the B-41 Special Forces Compound , I received a call fro a U. S. Helicopter Patrol Unit operating further south near Ap Bac asking if the VC had such long & large boats — I told then negative — then I called the Navy on their frequency to ask them to shine a light on their American Flag — the Navy boat guy said he was about to ask me if the VC had helicopters because they were shining lights on their boats.

    Maybe appears funny now ….. but it was not too funny for the Navy back then.

    Wonderful to hear you are OK.

    Henry L. Chauvin.

  39. Hi Jim, glad you found the site. I knew Major Hamrick pretty well because I worked in the S-1. I didn’t know that he didn’t make it back. I left Aug 22, 1969 must of happened after I left. Sure sorry to here that. Talking about the Special Forces group at B-41. They sure were not that hospitable. They were elite for sure and sometimes acted like they wern’t part of the same army. I remember that they tried to feed a puppy to that snake and that just didn’t seem right to me so I stood in and said that wasn’t going to happen. I expected a big blow-out. After a brief stare-down and some choice words the puppy eventually became an adult. Feed the snake chickens, not dogs. Do you remember the 1SGT’s name you mentioned in the SF group? When we arrived in August of 68,(there were 5 of us. Team#85). We were not allowed to stay at B-41 because we were not SF types. They only relented when the Advisory Team and Air Force and engineers began showing up to upgrade the area. Especially when they re-did the runways. We were motored alot between April and August of 69. One of the motors went thru the roof of the mess hall and embedded itself into the mess halls floor but didn’t explode. I guess on of the SF dug it out of the cement without it exploding, thank God. Were you there when the SF’s were firing H & I fire from the 4.duce motor and one of the round was a defective round and it exploded in the tube? I don’t remember his name, but boy there wasn’t much left of him. That was horrible. What a way to go, for defective equipment. Well, again glad to have you with us again Jim. Hope all is going well with you now in the real world. Keep in contact.

    David L. Krzeminski

    • Dave,

      The name of the first shirt was CMSgt Schlegal. (You can look up a lot of history regarding B-41 members at…specialforcesbooks.com ) I take it you were there when LtCBeck and Capt. Geneseo plus the helo crew bought it hunting sampans up by the Parrots Beak? I managed to find the wreck…or what was left which was the tail rotor….while flying around the Provence that pm. Do you remember LtC Lindig who replaced Beck? I was there when the SF Sgt. blew himself up with the mortar round. All I remember is the mortar pit was painted white for some strange reason and it was almost totally red the next morning. I also remember H&I fire at 0100 ceased after that incident. Met Col Terrell once. Really nice man, too bad I did not have an excuse to visit him often as he sure had a neat “villa” down the street. I am well and thanks for asking. Left the Air Force after my 5 year tour and have been blessed over the years. Oh…before I forget…I did meet Snuffy (the snake) “father”. When I was flying 727 Flt Engineer as a new hire at Delta in 74 I got to talking with a Copilot who had been an Army 0-1 pilot at Moc Hoa and had captured a baby snake on a ground op he joined onto one afternoon for “fun”. His name was Lt. Boyce Cates, he named the snake Snuffy and was thrilled to hear Snuffy had grown so large and popular. Take care and continue with the great stories.

      Jim Doyle
      aka Bomber 32

  40. Hi Kevin: Funny how your Hong Kong suite fell apart at absolutely the wrong time. But if things didn’t happen that way in life we wouldn’t have anything to laugh about. You mentioned the Church you attended a wedding in, in Hamtramck MI. The name of that Church is St. Florians and was built in 1901 by Polish immigrants from the bottom up, it took 7 years. I graduated from that high school in 1964, and that Church is now a Michigan Historical site. You also mentioned MSG Watson. I believe that he only did a half tour in Moc Hoa and then was sent back to Saigon for medical reasons. Then MSG Hughes took over for the last 3 months that I was there, you mentioned that you didn’t remember him. I remember a SSG Smith he was part of the orginal 5 member team 85 that was created in Bien Hoa, VN in Sept of 68. We went to 3 weeks of traning in Bien Hoa and were then sent to Moc Hoa. We we arrived there was nothing there but a Special Forces Camp B-41, and they didn’t let us stay there with them. We stayed with the South Vietnamese RF/PF forces about 1/2 mile away. Other than myself and SSG Smith the other members of the team were SFC Knutson, SSG Trawick and SP4 Justis. I sorry to here that you were not feeling well since I talked with you last. Hope thing are getting better for you. Well I’ll leave you to mull over all that important infor I gave you, trying to figure out who was who. I’ll be talking with you soon.

    Dave Krzeminski

    • Dave,

      Just found this website. Thought I’d jump in and say hello and “Welcome Home” to all you gentlemen. I was one of the USAF FAC’s flying Bird Dogs. We were attached to B-41 when I arrived in July of 69. Lost my boss, Maj Hamrick (Bomber 30) shortly after I arrived. Then I replaced Lt .Dave Burke (Bomber 31) and became the lone FAC…Bomber 32 for a couple of months. Then the Sgt. Major at B-41 thought he’d take advantage of a new louie so he attempted to draft my Crew Chief, Sgt Pat “Pappy” Thompson and two radio operators into his middle of the night Gate Guard staff. My protests lent to our Air Force team being “extracted” from B-41 on Christmas day to Cao Lanh until the MACV Compound was completed in early 1970. I lived there and roomed with Lt. Loren Nett and Capt. Carlton Schnieder until leaving in late April, 1970. It is very interesting reading you guys memories from your tours of duty. By the way, the PSP Runway was replaced because C-130’s were too heavy and kept tearing up the strip. They installed Aluminum which was slipperier than owl snot on wet days. Sure made it fun watching the Caribou and C-123 landings! The most vicious fighting I recall was two guys in the B-41 Bar one night over a duck they fed to the snake “Snuffy”. Also had some real missions that were particularly nasty at Cai Cai and Long Khot. Then there was the donnybrook that was a real goatrope at the “Hump” which lasted from Oct. 1 to Oct. 4 1969. Plus the weekly VC Mortar Missions. Moc Hoa was a charming slice of #@**#! I’m glad all who are reading this survived.

      Jim Doyle:jdlax67@yahoo.com
      aka Bomber 32

  41. Hi Kevin: I’m glad you mentioned CPT Graves, I forgot about him. Now that you reminded me of him, I remember him as being a real nice guy. The 2 S-1 Sargents were SGT Watson, he had real bad feet from his alchololism, they would burn him like crazy. Most of the time he would just lie in his bunk and I would run the orderly room. When there was something that I thought I couldn’t handle I would go to the hootch and ask him what to do. Actually I went to Hong Kong on R and R with him. We spent 10 days there in a drunken’ stupor. Don’t remember much so I guess we had a good time. When he left he was replaced by a MSG Hughes, good guy but I was closer to SGT Watson. Well if you lived in Michigan for 21 years you probably heard of Hamtramck. That’s the town I lived in when I got drafted and then joined back in 1966. After I got out of the Army I lived in Detroit proper for 14 years till my house got robbed a few times, then we moved to a city called Clawson, MI. it’s between Royal Oak and Troy. Around 14 mile road and Crooks. I currently reside in this same town. But now I spend 7 months of the year in Florida.

    I’ll be talking with you soon

    Dave Krzeminski

    • Hey Dave,

      Sorry that I have taken so long to respond.  I picked up a few health issues and have not been responding to emails for the last few weeks.

      I remember that all of the local TV stations broadcast from a bakery in your hometown on Paczki Day the week before lent started.  I went to a wedding in Hamtram ck about 15 – 20 years ago and I remember that the church was nice.    I remember where Claw son is and I drove through it a few times.  It seemed like a nice town.  I am not sure that I could have lived in Detroit like you.  Although I did enjoy the Lions, Tigers and the Fox Theater.

      Was Sgt. Watson an E-8 who transferred to MACV Hqs. in Saigon about half way through his tour.  I didn’t remember that he was alcoholic .  I remember that LTC. Terrell was.  I can’t remember MSG Hughes and I don’t know why I don’t.  I also liked Sgt. Watson a lot. 

      Do you remember SSG. Smith or SP4 Bailey?  They were both good guys.  Bailey was really a hard worker.  He extended and joined the Team in September/October, 1968.  I think that I previously mentioned before that he died in the 2001/2002 timeframe.  He was down to about 75-80 lbs. and did not know why.  He had been living in Oklahoma before he died.  He had been originally from Ohio – Columbus, I think.

      I ended up in Hong Kong for R & R too.  It was a wild time.  I did get a suit and a sports coat and slacks made there.   I must have taken them back to Vietnam with me.   After R & R, I only had 3 months to go before DROS.  I remember giving a presentation at work when I was wearing the sports jacket.  My right sleeve fell off.  One of the many embarrassing moments I have had in life.  

      Are you like most Midwesterners who end up on the west coast of Florida?   We lived in Ft. Lauderdale and Ormond Beach for about 4 years.  I do miss Florida.  My wife never liked living there.   It is a good way to avoid Michigan winters.  

      What did you do for a living when you got back to Michigan?

      I better rest my fragile mind and end this.

      Take care and have a great weekend.

      Kevin

  42. Hi David,

    It’s great to see another Michigander on the board. I spent 21 years in Ann Arbor and loved it before we moved to Delaware in 2010. I feel I can be considered a Michigander based on my time there. Welcome to the board.

    I was the S-4. Do you remember Durus (Beatle) Bailey? He found me in the mid 90s (after 30+ years) and asked for help with a PTSD claim. Durus said that his hooch in the new MACV compound was hit by mortars in August, 1968. At the time , the VA was only approving PTSD claims for people who were in either Army or Marine infantry units. I wrote a letter on his behalf about how his (our) situation of experiencing frequent mortar attacks and gaining frequent flyer “gold status” from our helicopter flights. He eventually was diagnosed 100% disabled due to PTSD. He sent me a shipment of Omaha steaks as a thank you for my letter. We stayed in contact until about 2002 when he died. He was only about 85 lbs. at that time. Durus really wanted to have a reunion for the Team. If the way he tracked me down is indicative of his bloodhound skills, he would have found all of us. He also found Terrell who was the LTC who commanded us.

    Our memories are not as great as they should be. My deficiencies in memory are most probably caused by the $.25 drinks at the SF club. I think I remember the name of the S-1 – Graves (?). I remember the MSG who ran the S-1 function but I don’t really remember his name. He transferred to MACV Hqs. in February/March. I don’t remember who replaced him. I really liked the E-8. He was a sharp and interesting guy. I remember that we had a good group of NCOs and enlisted men and a few pretty good officers in Team 85. Also, the intelligence types were pretty nice. I do remember dropping a few dollars to them on Saturday night playing card at the “Embassy”. I should have know better to play cards with an “Agriculture Advisor” from NYC. I liked a lot of the SF types too. There was a Staff Sargent Smith that I also worked with who was wounded in a mortar attack and Medevaced to Japan and then he was sent back to the States. I think that they medically discharged him upon his return to the States.

    I loved the M-2 carbine. We were issued those before the RF/PF received M-16s. I also had a 45 pistol. You mentioned you weapons trained the province RF/P.

    Where do you live in the Detroit metro?

    Sorry if there are any typos. I am really no up to proofreading this.

    Take care,

    Kevin

  43. Hi Scott: I am not familiar with MAT 114. Maybe I had left by the time that unit was created. Or maybe it was a continuation of MACV Tm# 85, it just doesn’t ring a bell. When I left in Aug of 69 a Major Driscoll was in charge of the S-1 which was located in the B-41 Special Forces compound. And a Major Hamrick was the FAC pilot, I beleive he got killed after I left. Anyways I extended 2 week in Vietnam so I would have less than 150 days left in the service so I could get an early out. Prior to Vietnam I was stationed in Kaiserslautern, Germany for 2 years. I am for the Detroit area orginally and still live here. I am retired now and share my time between Detroit and The Villages, Florida. I also took quite a few pictures while I was there and still have them in a album. Maybe I could get your address and if you would like I could make copies of the pictures and send some to you. Thanks for responding to me and I’ll be waiting for other communications from yourself and other members of the Advisory Group.

    David L. Krzeminski

  44. Hi David,

    Like you, I was there in MACV Team 85 from August 68 to August 69 as a First Lieutenant Combat Engineer Advisor to the Vietnamese Engineers & advisor to the Moc Hoa Civilian Public Works Department …. Ty Cong Chanh ………. with Vietnamese Engineer Do Dinh Phuc, who was in charge of roads, bridges, air field maintenance, Moc Hoa water supply & Moc Hoa electricity. He later came to the US with his wife & three (3) young sons with the “Boat People” at the end of April , 1975.

    MACV S-1 Captain’s first name was Bud, can’t recall his last name at this moment.
    I forget names but never faces. I do remember MSG Watson & MSG Hughes & both were regular visitors of the B-41 Bar like many of us …… for some reason, also remember DeLuna..

    Not too long before I left, we got a new MACV S-1 officer … can picture him but cannot remember his name …. very nice person.

    We had two (2) pilots, one (1) Army & one Air Force with their Bird dong Observation Planes … also had a naval officer.

    I got called into the reserves after I left Vietnam & spent 29 years total in the Army …… too many names to remember.

    I can even picture the Vietnamese barber who used to come in our B-41 compound to give us haircuts, but cannot remember his name either.

    We are just lucky to still be here to talk about it.

    Thanks for sharing,

    Henry

  45. Hi everyone, my name is SP5 David L. Krzeminski and I was stationed in B-41 and part of Advisory Team #85 from August 68 to August 69. I think I was part of the original 5 member team trained in Di An outside of Saigon for 3 weeks in early August of 68. The members of the team were, myself, SFC Knutson, SSG Smith, SSG Trawick and SP4 Justis. I was orginally trained as a small arms specialist to the Regional/Popular Forces, local forces that would protect the villages that they lived in. I trained them to use WWII vintage weapons such as the M1 Garand, M1 carbine and the BAR. After 4 months of that, I was made the S1 (Orderly Room) clerk under MSG Watson and then under MSG Hughes. I worked with SP4 Quasius and between the two of us we kind of ran the orderly room. Other people that I remember were PFC DeLuna and SP4 Papas. It was kind of quiet when we arrived in Moc Hoa. We originally were housed about 1/2 mile away from B-41 in a South Vietnamiese billet area that compromised 2 small room for 5 of us. As time went on more and more people and units arrived in Moc Hoa and things got busy there. Espeically the engineer battalion that extended and PSP’ed the runway. I also remember the Moc Hoa advisor, the fellow who would sit in a little makeshift tower with a radio and give wind direction to the incomming air traffic. I believe his name was Christopher Johnson. During that period of time I was the guy that would take a Huey to Can Tho to pick up DEROS orders and bring them back to Moc Hoa for the fellows to be able to DEROS back to the States.Oh yeah, I also remember Major Hamrick who was a FAC pilot. We also had a few civilians, intelligence types stationed there that were part of the Phoenix Program. Things are a little foggy, but I’m surprised that I remember the thing and people that I did. Hopefully this information with get thru to somebody and will illicit a response.

    • Welcome, David. I am amazed that you and Henry Chavez can remember so many names. I think I could do the faces but certainly not the names. I was team leader for MAT 114 located in a small prefab across from the navy facility in 1969 and 1970. Lately I have tried desperately to remember things about Moc Hoa and the tour, but only a few mental snapshots come back. I did take a lot of pictures but lost them in a divorce a few years after returning. I actually enjoyed the diversity of daily activity but felt very guilty for leaving my team in the field. I didn’t want to go, but the colonel sent a chopper to get me and I was in Can Tho later that day. I returned to Ft. Benning for around 18 months and then left the service. Looking back, I should have stayed in but my wife didn’t quite fit military life. Thank you for the contact. I am hoping that some of the old team members get on sometime. I’d like to know how they are faring now. Damn, I wish that I had your memory but events may have blocked it all. Scott Bogert Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2014 14:18:54 +0000 To: keylakehome@outlook.com

  46. Hi Kevin,

    I could have missed something happening to PFC Padgett because sometimes MACV, SF, or USAID Foreign Officer 0-4 Mr. Richard White or his assistant Mr. Harry Johnson would send me off on different Combat Engineer missions away from Moc Hoa, so I was not there 100% of the time every day.

    Sometimes I was sent by SF to spend the day & night at small bridge guard posts along the canal adjacent to Highway #29 — VC were blowing up our bridges often.

    Spent two (2) weeks down south and west in the village of Nhon-Ninh with a Vietnamese surveyor, Mr. Chung — first night after pitching my pup tent, just before dark, some VC kid threw a live hand grenade in my pup tent & ruined (2) cases of canned C-rations — holes all through the tent caused by shrapnel — luckily I was not in the tent yet — spent the next (2) weeks without eating until a Vietnamese Captain picked me up (2) weeks later in a sampan — the Village had a diet of rice cooked with field rats caught on the Plain of Reeds — had no appetite for such.

    Spent a few nights down at Ap Bac. One MACV sergeant had about 10 kids — he told me he slept in the MACV concrete bunker every night because he wanted to live to see his wife & 10 kids again. Later, one night in a mortar attack, he came to the bunker’s front entrance & was killed when he took a direct hit by a mortar — for about (2) weeks, the MACV S-1 told me letters came in to him every day from one of each of the 10 children and/or wife — so sad — he was such a respectable gentleman soldier.

    Not too much was said or discussed about our American casualties. Maybe it was thought that such things could be expected — have no idea — never saw a newsman in Moc Hoa.

    I remember when LTC Herlein was shot through the neck below Ap Bac while traveling in a boat with an outboard motor. He was brought back to Moc Hoa & loaded on a Medivac helicopter by Dr. John Goudelock — we never heard any more.

    His LTC replacement went in a helicopter about a mile north of Moc Hoa to try to see the new Top Secret self-destructive mines recently placed along the Cambodian border — his helicopter came down so close to the mines, the wind turbulence moved the grass so fiercely it set off an anti-tank mine & blew the helicopter up in the air — nobody went to retrieve his body because it landed in an unrecorded airdropped minefield.

    Remember SF S-4 Captain Weatherall who was going down to Ap Bac on Route #29 when his jeep was blown up by a VC who set off a mine with a battery. A medevac helicopter picked him up to bring him to Can Tho — never heard anything about him either.

    Had an Engineer Lt. friend from OCS at Fort Belvoir come by to Moc Hoa from Saigon to record numbers of bridges in Kien Tuong Province. He left, stopped at a bridge below Moc Hoa, measured it, got back in his helicopter & according to the Vietnamese soldier guards at the bridge, the helicopter pilot took off & turned too sharp. When the helicopter was sideways, it had no lift & plunged in the Vam Co Tay River. VN guards said the helicopter immediately sank & nobody came up — they said they tried to dive but the water was too deep for them to dive deeper.

    All seems like yesterday to me.

    Henry

  47. Hi Dennis,

    Saw your post about PFC Padgett who was shot by small arms fire in Moc Hoa in January 06, 1969, who according to another article on the internet was a member of the MACV Medical Team in Moc Hoa.

    I don’t remember names very well , but hardly ever forget faces. Saw no photo of Padgett & cannot remember the name — If a photo was available, or more details, might remember him — also remember many Vietnamese medical personnel from back then.

    I was a 26 year old Lieutenant Engineer Advisor in MACV Team 85 who stayed in the B-41 Special Forces Compound for about a year prior leaving in August 1969. All American soldiers in Moc Hoa slept in this one (1) compound on Cong Hoa Boulevard from 1968-1969 — MACV Team 85 moved down the street in either late 1969 or early 1970.

    The American Medical Doctor for all Americans in the Province from August 1968-August 1969 was Doctor John Goudelock from Mississippi — he & I arrived in Moc Hoa just about the same day & left just about the same day — appears he would remember Padgett because all medical personnel worked at the primitive Moc Hoa hospital down the street.

    In September 1969 Dr. Goudelock had a newspaper article written about him, (on the internet), about how primitive medicine was in Moc Hoa –. people died with abscessed teeth — maggots were applied on wounded Vietnamese soldiers to remove gangrene — true war stories are seldom told — nobody believes them.

    The Vietnamese doctor was Doctor Manh who I visited in Paris, France a couple of years ago — had not seen him in 43 years — found him on the internet — he was a graduate from University of Paris — extremely intelligent individual.

    We were only about 40 Americans in Kien Tuong Province, in B-41 Special Forces & MACV Team 85 with about 44,000 Vietnamese in said province.

    One other medic I remember who worked with Dr. Jonh Goudelock was Randy Shotwell — if you could find either of these (2) guys, they could no doubt assist.

    Thanks,

    Henry

  48. Hello. I’m an old anchor-clanker who is looking for anyone that might have known my cousin, PFC Dallas Padgett, who was attached to Team 85 from Aug 68 until his death on Jan 6, 69. I had spent a summer with him and his family in Bacliff, TX a few years before he joined the Army, and I was in Navy boot camp when he was killed.

    I’ve wondered many times about the place and his few months of duty there. I can see it on Google maps, but I don’t really know what part of the province he was in, or anything about the job he did there. I stumbled on this after checking his record again on the virtual Vietnam Memorial Wall.

    I understand if anyone is uncomfortable speaking about it to an outsider, I might be too, under similar circumstances. My own service was on Oceanographic Survey Units, so I feel I too was the beneficiary of all of your sacrifices, and I will always be thankful for that.

    Welcome home, brothers.

    • Dennis,

      We definitely allow Navy vets on the site. We even had a Navy Lieutenant assigned with us in Moc Hoa. I believe that he was in Naval Intelligence and probably worked with the SEALs and the PBRs. We did have a number of military intelligence and CIA types in the province because of our proximity to Cambodia.

      Henry has a great memory. If he does not remember your cousin, I sure could not. I am sorry to hear that he was killed in Vietnam. Was he Special Forces? I don’t remember any of our team or the SF team being killed between July, 1968 and June, 1969, when I was assigned to Team 85. We had some WIAs. Team 85 suffered heavy casualties in Tet, January/February, 1968 and after Henry and I left in 1969. There was a SF commander severely wounded in March or April, 1969 and a SF commander and a 1 LT killed in August, 1969.

      I hope that you have luck finding something about your cousin.

      Stay well.

      Kevin

  49. Kevin,

    I remember meeting with Colonel Terrell & his staff in late 1968 to look at the plans for the new Team 85 MACV compound drawn by military engineers.

    First, not one of the officers on his staff could read plans.

    Second I told them this was a good plan for an R&R center for soldiers on a beach in Hawaii — but a horrible plan for soldier in a Combat Zone.

    They asked me to mark up my corrections with a red pencil.

    I first added a 6 feet high perimeter earth berm, (levee), with one protruding bunker on each of the four corners whereby there would be a line of sight on the exterior of the perimeter berm to kill VC trying to climb this earth berm laden with concertina wire.

    This levee would also provide protection when the water rose 4-5 feet every 4th year or so in Moc Hoa during our monsoon seasons.

    Next I centrally located the Mess Hall & Latrines & repositioned the mortar pits, generators & ammo supply.

    While under construction, the NCOIC kept coming to see me with construction questions — most of these young soldier guys building this compound had very limited construction experience.

    When I was leaving VN I heard Colonel Terrell tell USAID Mr. White that he would prefer to lose his right arm rather than see me leave.

    The sergeant I spoke to a year later at Fort Sam said very few MACV soldiers survived the mortar attack on this new MACV Team 85 Compound.

    The C-123 Caribou planes would drop off a load of lumber & almost 75% of it would be stolen by morning by the local Vietnamese — same thing happened to the 55 gallon drums of gasoline — all stamped with “CAL-TEX” — ever notice we had no gas station in Moc Hoa — the local Vietnamese always got free U. S. gas from the Moc Hoa airport.

    Henry

  50. Scot, Hal & Kevin,

    I received copies too.

    I left in August 1969 — flew home to Louisiana, turned TV on, saw film of then MACV Team 85 Commander Ernest P. Terrell riding in a boat powered by an outboard motor, in Cambodia with his interpreter — cannot remember interpreter’s name.

    Found Col. Terrell on internet much later & kept in contact with Colonel Terrell & his wife Aileen until a few years ago — then Col. Terrell died.

    When I left VN in August 1969, airport had just been covered with solid steel decking by 9th Division Engineers, Company B; however, it was later hit with so many 122 mm rockets, with so many holes no planes were coming in.

    About a year later, met a B-41 Special forces sergeant who air-dropped in a field in front of us while I was at a 2 week Army Reserve Summer Camp at Fort Sam Houston.

    He told me the new wood construction Team 85 Compound was attacked after I left & they had many casualties.– VC had a mortar tube set up on the hill at the end of the Cong Hoa Boulevard near the airport. I left right before Team 85 moved into the new compound.

    My counterpart, Do Dinh Phuc died in California; but I keep in touch with his children who are doctors — even went to Paris to visit with Doctor Manh who was at the Moc Hoa Hospital when I left.

    Henry

    • Hal/Scott/Henry,

      Hal, look what you started. There had not been any comments since October. Henry, great to see you back. I think that the reason there are so few of us registered on this board is because the site mis-numbering Team 85.

      Henry, I also was been DROSed by the time that the new compound was built. I had heard from our supply specialist, Durus Baily back in the late 1990s/early 2000s and he told me about the mortaring of the new compound. His living quarters took a direct hit. We seemed to be hit almost every other night at the SF compound, didn’t we Henry?

      It’s good seeing your posts.

      I am teaching an “old farts” class on “The Sixties” this semester. We had one class on Vietnam and it did bring back a lot of memories. I had a former AF Caribou pilot present in the Vietnam class. Before they extended the runway, Caribous, Beavers, Otters and Bird Dogs were the only fixed wing aircraft that could land at Moc Hoa. In the Fall semester, I will present a program on Vietnam, based on Karnow’s Vietnam, A History. I am going to devote one of the classes to the Advisory Role in Vietnam. If you guys could share some of your experiences, I sure would appreciate them.

      Take care and stay safe.

      Kevin

  51. I am Hal Singer was Lt Singer of Mat team 119 1970-1971 must have interacted withyou Scott would like to chat with you to see if we had contact or know the same people

    • Hal, Your response to Scott came to me for some reason. I think that you need to place your reply under something that Scott had sent. You had to have been in RVN during the Cambodian invasion. Did they jump off from Moc Hoa? They extended the airstrip to accommodate C-123s and C-130s, when I was there in 1968-1969. Great to hear from another Team 85 member. Why they call us 114 is beyond me. Take care and stay safe. Kevin

      • Yes I arrived to Tuyen Nhon District and immediately moved out to Cambodia just when we got up there the Big Red One was moving out. I have seen such a large scale withdrawal of a division that was in combat. All I can sy is that they did a magnificent job the area was relatively calm for some time. Yes the airstrip was busy with landings, I have seen many c-130 land on one wheel just for fun. Spent some time in bunkers at Moc Hoa before leaving to U.S.A.

    • Very nice to hear from you, Hal. I think Mat 119 was located downriver from us. I have it in my mind that team 119 suffered heavily from a VC attack around 1968-69. There was a PSDF that came to us with a US medal for heroism (Bronze I think) that was awarded to him at that battle. It is just a faint memory. I certainly knew of Team 119.

      I left from a very small outpost we built at Tri Phap in May 1970. My problem is that I have never run into anybody that I served with since nor have I heard from anybody. It leaves a large void. I seldom ever saw anybody but the MACV commander as we were always in the field like you must have been too. I just don’t remember the colonel’s name. I actually enjoyed serving there and didn’t want to leave my team. We were very young then

      Hope you are well and doing what you want by now. I may retire this Summer. It may be time for me to do things that I want as well. Time moves far to quickly. I’d be very glad to hear more from you. MAT team life was a special time for me.

      Scott

  52. Scott,

    Thanks for writing back.

    Sorry to hear about your wife. MS is a tough disease. I hope that the medications are working.

    Sounds like you are a good father. I am sure that your daughters appreciate the help that you are giving them. I have a daughter and son. They both turned out well and make me feel the years as a parent of teens and young adults were very worthwhile, even though they did not feel worthwhile at the time..

    I know that it is tough with PTSD. We just spent a few days in Williamsburg, VA with a buddy and his wife. He was an ex chopper pilot. It is very strange that we have know each other for the last 30+ years and this was the first time we talked about our wartime experience. He also suffers with PTSD and he feels that some of the VA programs are helping him. I hope that you are connected to a good program. Even without PTSD, I have been a bitch to live with at times. My wife has been a great support.

    I am a big fan of 3M. I lived in the Twin Cities for 4 years and knew a number of people who worked for them. What are you selling now? Are you working for someone or are you a manufacturer’s rep.? I have been out of the workforce since 2006 for medical reasons. I still miss work. I have been lucky enough to pick up a volunteer teaching assignment with a Lifelong Learning Program for 50+ year old adults and I am enjoying the hell out of it. In addition to the teaching, I am taking a few courses too.

    Do you remember a guy named Durus (Beatle) Bailey. He was a Spec 5 supply guy from Moc Hoa and distributed supplies to the Teams at least once a week. he worked for me until late June, 1969 when I left country. He, then,extended for 6 months. I was wondering if his tour overlapped into yours. He contacted me in the 1990s. How he tracked me down, I really don’t know. He asked for help with his PTSD claim. I wrote a letter of support for his claim and the VA phone interviewed me. They eventually granted him a 100% PTSD related disability. We kept in contact until 2002/3.

    You are right about us having an entirely different life than guys who served in American units. Our experiences were entirely different from theirs. I think that we had the better of it.
    I realize that you had it much tougher than me. You were with a Team and were constantly in combat situations. Your living conditions sucked. We were in a compound and only had frequent mortar attacks on the compound. On the operations and ambushes I was on, I don’t remember ever having enemy contact. I really felt for the guys in the Teams. We did get a chance to interact with the Vietnamese and learn something about their culture. I really liked the Vietnamese (and still do), but disliked their leadership. Come to think of it, I was not really a fan of our leadership either.

    It is funny that hardly anyone knows where Kien Toung or Moc Hoa is, be they Vets or Vietnamese I have met since I have been home. I have a neighbor who was a pilot and flew the Caribou. When I first got to Moc Hoa, our airstrip was too short for C123s or C130s. We could only be supplied by choppers and smaller aircraft. He flew into Moc Hoa a few times on supply missions. They extended our field in January/February, 1969. I think that was in anticipation of the Cambodian invasion.

    Well Scott, being an old man, I had better have my warm milk and turn in. It’s 9 PM Eastern.

    Take care and keep positive.

  53. Scott,

    Thanks for the reply. You are right. I always have to try to remember where I was when I am welcomed home.

    That is great that your Dad is still alive. His combat experience seemed very tough. I had parked next to a WWII vet this afternoon. He had a silver star and a purple heart on his license plate. The WW2 vets are a strong and courageous breed.

    You are also so correct about a combat situation leaving a deep impression on vets. I was giving a class on Vietnam last Spring and tried to explain that even though Vietnam service was only 1%-2% of our lives(1/70 for me), it left more impressions and impacts on us than far longer time periods like college or work experience.

    Henry, the other poster from Team 85, was our hero because of his efforts to provide enough water for daily showers. I feel badly about mentioning it to you. You were probably able to only shower once a week or once a month.

    Did you go Reserves after you left active duty? As I told Henry, I was a conscientious objector against the Reserves. After I finished OCS, I knew I owed Uncle Sam 2 yrs. active duty, 2 yrs. active reserves and 2 yrs. inactive reserves. I felt that if they let the enlisted people out of their active reserve obligation when they came back from Nam, they really meant to let me out of the obligation when I came back. I ignore their letters assigning me to an active reserve unit and threatening to re-activate me into the regular Army.

    I am living in a 55+ community. We put together a veterans club about a year ago. There are 55 vets living here whose service ranges from WW II to the Gulf. The comradery is really outstanding, especially the guys who served in Vietnam.

    Are you still working or did you hang up the spikes?

    Do you know how this site started? I don’t know why we are Team 114 and not 85. I wanted to send a thank you to the person/group who put this together.

    Hope all is well with you.

    Kevin

    • Kevin,

      Glad to hear from you again. I am just now trying to understand my tour in VN. Until recently, I have tried not to dwell on any aspect of my time in KienTuong Province. I have never tried to reach out for team members either until I found this site. If I had stayed in the Army I might have eventually met up with some of the guys, but I got out too. I was afraid of a Reduction In Force and I knew that there were too many officers. Hindsight says I should have stayed.

      My plan was to go back to college on the GI Bill, but I discovered that my attention span was extremely short. I couldn’t read a page before my mind went someplace else. I was somewhat afraid of people and stayed to myself. Strangely though, I became a business to business salesman for 3M. It served me well and I advanced along for many years until one day I decided I didn’t want responsibilities anymore. I became a territorial salesman and now could work largely by myself. I have worked in Georgia, Oklahoma, Texas, Oregon, and now in Oklahoma again. I hope to retire but something always comes up. One daughter needs to pay off bills and move across the country and another needs a new heating and air system in her house. They are single which seems to cost me a lot. The wife has MS and her meds are keeping me working too. I’m not complaining. I have a nice home in a private cove on a decent lake. We are getting by much better than some for sure.

      Kevin, I looked at a Ranger site and saw the names of some friends that fell in RSVN and even in Grenada. Even with a PTSD disability, I feel very lucky and yet there are some feelings of guilt. I don’t understand why I would feel guilty for returning, but there is the feeling that I abandoned the team by leaving without them. Crazy, I know. I just didn’t want to go when the helicopter flew in to get me.

      Sorry to waste your time like this. I just seldom can talk with another vet and certainly not a MACV vet. I have two old friends that were with the 4th and the 25th Divisions. They saw plenty of combat but their missions were far different than ours. We never talk about our service time. They didn’t work with the Vietnamese at all and don’t appreciate them like we do.

      Stay well.

      Scott

  54. McGrath, McGrath — were you the MACV Team 85 1st Lieutenant S-4 in charge of supply in Moc Hoa in 1968-1969?

    I can never forget faces, (even after people have aged), but names for me were always difficult.

    I stayed in the Army Reserves after Vietnam, total 29 years service, (in New Orleans), & retired as LTC. Went to about 28 two week summer camps in reserves all over the US, & 3 times Germany & I time Egypt. Everywhere I went I ran into Army people I remembered from somewhere.

    On our first 1980 trip to Germany, in the PX near Kaiserslautern, a Major Landry with us remarked, “OK Chauvin this is Germany — don’t tell me you know soldiers stationed in Germany.” I said Landry, see that guy with his back to us at the magazine rack, I know him — Landry & our commander Colonel Gensler said, “I want to see this shit!” — we approached — he was in uniform, I was in civies — I saw his name tag, (Fremont), & told him I knew him — he replied he did not know me — I told him we crossed paths before but I had to think — then it hit me — I said Vietnam — he responded, I remember, you speak French.

    When I first arrived in Vietnam they incorrectly sent me to MACV Team 84 at Cai-Lai, further south on the Cambodian border in Kien Phong Province, LTC Callahan, B-43 Special Forces Commander said he had not requested me & did not know what to do with me so he assigned me to then 1st LT Fremont as an Infantry Advisor to a District Vietnamese Company — Fremont was leaving in a few days & i would take his place — Fremont studied the Vietnamese language at Fort Benning; however, on the second day assigned to him he was asking me to explain our next day’s military mission to the 45 year old South Vietnamese Captain, (a former French Foreign Legion Commander) because he remarked that I communicated far better in French than he could in Vietnamese. Fremont left & I stayed with them.

    We went out on Infantry search & destroy missions every day except Sundays & got shot at every damn day walking though knee deep water — sometimes water was neck deep for me but over Vietnamese’s heads who had to swim with M-1 rifles — for some reason, I never got leeches but the Vietnamese would get them & had to pull them off about every 2 hours.

    One day when out on a mission we got mistaken for Viet-Cong & got bombed by the U. S. Airforce — just missed us — fire & smoke rose about 10 stories high — could not hear for about 2 days.

    Then later, the State Department in Moc Hoa called & said I was supposed to be assigned to them & would be transferred to Moc Hoa as Engineer Advisor — when I left, a black Special Forces Major told me because of serving as an Infantry Officer, & in actual combat on infantry missions, that he would put me in for a Combat Infantry Badge, (CIB) — never saw him again — never saw the (CIB) either.

    The Vietnamese Doctor at the Vietnamese Hospital in Moc Hoa was Dr. Manh — one American doctor, Dr. Goudelock & one Vietnamese doctor, Dr. Manh for about 40 American soldiers & about 44,000 Vietnamese civilians & soldiers in Kien Tuong Province further north — recently found Dr. Manh in France on the internet — wife & I stopped to see him in Paris last October, 2012 — he lives near Disneyland in Paris — wonderful reunion — most touching — he never learned English — I was his translator in the hospital after mortar attacks when we left Paris he commented: “C’est seulement Dieu qui peut faire cette reunion après quarante-trois ans!” — i.e., “Only God could have arranged for us to meet after 43 years.”

    If there was a Special Forces B-41/MACV Team 85 reunion for the time period 1968/1969 I think I would recognize everybody — these faces, expressions, smiles, never crashed in my memories — even remember Medic, Randy Shotwell putting on sunglasses to sing soul music in the bar at night, and the barmaid behind the B-41 bar, Co Lanh, who was part Cambodian.

    Have new e-mail address below: henry.chauvin@outlook.com

  55. Henry,

    Thank you so much for telling me about your time there. What a wonderful memory you seem to have. I was team leader for MAT 114 in 1970. I hardly remember anything. I remember that it was a great experience. I was never assigned an assistant team leader and went on all operations with the team which consisted of 4 E-6’s. Yes, I was the junior guy according to the rest. I was a 1st Lt but you know how the sergeants are about officers. We all got along very well though. They were very professional.

    Since we used the Vam Co Tay so much, I was assigned 2 boats, a Ski Barge and a Boston Whaler. We built a machinegun mount on the bow of both because the river could be hairy. We worked with the Navy PBR unit a lot and they were our main support. Even the Sea Wolves and Black Ponies were there to shoot for us when needed. They were Navy aircraft.

    The Vietnamese Province Chief was Maj. Mahn. We had a prefab house setup in his compound but I rarely saw him as we were away from there so much. I don’t remember the Team 85 commander or his staff. I probably went to the team headquarters only a half dozen times. My last assignment was to assist an ARVN company as they conscripted locals to build an outpost at Tri Phap which had recently been a NVA training area. My team had been there several months when the helicopter arrived to take me out and brought my replacement, a captain. It seems that in a single day I went to Moc Hoa, caught an Air America flight to Can Tho and then a gunship to Saigon and a flight home. It all seems such a blurr now. I wish that I had taken a lot of pictures and had stayed in contact with the team. I don’t know what happened to my 3 interpreters either.

    I spent the next 2 years at Ft. Benning and then left the service. I didn’t like the garrison situation of stateside Army after Viet Nam. I taught advanced courses at the Infantry School as well as ran indirect fire training there. I wanted to go back to Viet Nam and actually didn’t want to leave there until our work was done. I have read that the troops in the delta held out well against the NVA and only surrendered after Saigon fell.

    Henry, only in the last couple of years have I tried hard to remember that time. So much has happened since that Viet Nam seems to have been a childhood event. The years have clouded so much and yet there are still the terrifying dreams that just never go away. Somehow I felt more alive then than since. Everyday was an adventure with high stakes.

    Again, thank you so much for your information.

    Scott Bogert

      • Kevin,

        Thank you for the welcome. The same to you back. Do you find it difficult when someone that isn’t a vet says “thank you for your service” ? I get emotional and don’t like hearing it except from a VN vet. ….just a sensitive spot I guess as nobody knows what it was like except those that went.

        I’m so glad that you and others made it back. I know many that didn’t as you possibly do too. My dad and I talked a little about the war this afternoon for the first time ever. He was a P-38 pilot in the Pacific and crashed in New Guinea. He was missing for awhile and spent another year flying fighters out of the Philippines. War affects every soldier no matter the deployment and the families waiting at home too. I have tons of respect for the boys going to the Middle East now. What a nasty place.

        Stay well

        Scott

  56. I was a 1st Lieutenant Engineer Advisor from August 1968 – August 1969, assigned to Headquarters MACV Team 85, Moc Hoa, Kien Tuong Province.

    When I arrived in Moc Hoa, in August 1968, with the village having almost no water supply, American troops were taking showers once a week on Friday nights. The Vietnamese Water Plant was in the “red” for $10,000.00 — with unlimited funds from USAID I rebuilt the Moc Hoa water system in about a week with the help of (2) Vietnamese at the water treatment plant — we then had showers every night & an unlimited supply of water whereby for the first time in years, we filled the (2) water towers in Moc Hoa. .

    When I left Moc, the water system had over $10,000.00 in the bank.

    Vietnamese Province Chief was Colonel Ly Truong My — he escaped Vietnam in April 1975; however, his boat capsized & he & his family drowned in the South China Sea..

    Team 85 Headquarters was located in Special Forces Camp B-41, in an old French foreign Legion Compound built by the French, on Cong Hoa Boulevard, a few blocks south of the Vam Co Tay River. The Cambodian border was a little north of us across the Vam Co Tay River.

    When I left, the MACV Team 85 Commander was Lt. Col. Ernest P, Terrel, After I left Vietnam in August 1969, Team 85 moved south, near the airfield ,across Cong Hoa Boulevard in a new Team 85 Compound with new wood building,

    When I arrived, Special .Forces Commander was Lt. Col. Wesley Herrlein. He later got shot through the neck & survived an ambush south of Moc Hoa, & was med-evaced to CanTho.

    Lt. Col. Martin Beck replaced him & later went out in a helicopter to check out a secret air-dropped mine field along the Cambodian border — the helicopter got too close to an anti-tank mine, set off the mine & the helicopter exploded over the mine field — his body was not recovered at that time from the minefield.

    I worked directly for the USAID branch of the State Department under Foreign Officer 04 Mr. White, a State Department civilian.

    My counterpart was the then Kien Tuong Province Chief of Public Works, Vietnamese 2nt Lieutenant Do Dinh Phuc. Both of us were single at that time.

    Both of us spoke French fluently; hence, we had no communication problem, With Cochin China being a former French Colony, everyone in his office spoke French — all those born in the Cochin China part of South Vietnam prior to 1948 had dual French/Vietnamese citizenship. All Kien Tuong Province Vietnamese Officers in 1968-69 poke French fluently

    Being the first MACV Engineer Advisor, my counterpart immediately invited me to share his office after providing me with a desk.

    We wrote to one another from 1969 until he escaped in April 1975 & came to Orange County California with his wife & three (3) sons. He changed his name to Peter Do.

    Being a graduate of the University of Saigon as an engineer, he later received a Master’s Degree in Engineering at the University of California — two of his sons, Pat & Henry, (Henry named after me), are doctors.

    Peter died but we stay in touch with his wonderful wife & family — Peter always referred to me as his brother — they all became wonderful Americans.

    • Henry,

      It is great to see that you are still kicking around and have an outstanding memory.

      I heard from Duris Bailey in the early 2000s. He had been in contact with Terrell who retired in Kansas, I believe. I kept in contact with Bailey and helped him with his application for a PTSD disability rating. He lived in Oklahoma and died in 2006.

      Did you pursue a career in engineering.

      You came over as a 2nd LT. I think that you were the only person I outranked when you arrived,

      Kevin McGrath

  57. I was MAT 114 team leader working in Kien Tuong Province out of Moc Hoa in 1969 -1970. I wonder what happened to team members Strom, Pumphrey, and Chapman?

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