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MACV Team 24 – Kon Tum-Dak.

This Page is intended for the discussion of the Military Assistance Command Vietnam Team 24 located in Kon Tum-Dak.

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  1. December 11, 2014 5:43 am

    Anyone who worked with team 23, 24 at kontum, tanh canh, or with the 42nd regt that is interested in a reunion next summer email me your contact info. In prelim stages now.

  2. Angelo Carmen permalink
    December 3, 2014 7:38 am

    Does anyone remember a gunship going down in August of ’69 across the road from Dak To feul dump, and burning. there were 3 killed, the pilot and 2 convoy drivers who just wanted a joy ride. The pilot was hotdogging and clipped the tail rotor on some wires, it went down in a ball of fire, the Peter was ejected into some concertina and survived with some burns. A couple of my team mates and I had the unfortunate duty to help extract the bodies the next day after wreckage cooled.

  3. November 30, 2014 7:25 am

    Guys I made contact with Danny last night regarding SFC Ray Martin.

  4. Danny Palmer permalink
    November 28, 2014 12:44 am

    SFC Ray T.Martin Advisor Team 24 KIA 4/22/1970 does anyone have any knowledge of his service or served with SFC Martin at that time please contact Danny Palmer at fxe77csmret@aol.com thank you.

  5. Jose J Rivera permalink
    November 26, 2014 10:24 am

    MACV Sgt. Louis E. Janca died on October 1970 due to “friendly fire”. Gloria Redlin who was with him also died. There are rumors about that the RVN soldier who killed both received a bounty for the killings. Gloria was a very nice woman, I did visit her house downtown Kontum.

    • Ben youmans permalink
      November 26, 2014 11:46 am

      I was at tan canh and we heard about the incident. There was questions about why they were out riding a scooter that late. Also we heard the rumor started about the bounty. On another site a guy remembers the bounty was US 20K. Hard to understand why such a high or a bounty period on the SGT. What made him so important? If I recall that 20K was many times higher than even the one on COL Day. I think (saw it happen before) the bounty rumor was created to make an obvious friendly fire death appear to be more of a “in line of duty” action. There were US personnel making a much larger impact in the AO who would have been better targets. A tragic loss indeed as a result of a terrible incident with no other implications. imho!

  6. Ben youmans permalink
    November 25, 2014 6:23 am

    John years I was told by a guy who was at dak to airstrip with arvn 14th cav that a Hugh mushroom cloud an a large ball of fire went up and he actually thought the nva hit us with a small nuke. He also said all the resulting secondaries was the greatest fireworks display he ever saw. I jokingly told him I’m glad he enjoyed the show. We sure didnt.LOL

  7. November 24, 2014 6:59 am

    Correction facebook is macv tan cahn

  8. November 24, 2014 6:54 am

    Facebook page created MACV TEAM TANCAHN team members only.

  9. Randy Dunham permalink
    November 23, 2014 9:49 am

    Ben, Do you have the link to the USAF Dak Seang after action report on the internet?

  10. Ben youmans permalink
    November 23, 2014 9:37 am

    By the way just last week I found on the Internet the USAF. After action report on dak seang. Will try to figure out how to post it here or can email it to someone who knows how.

  11. Ben youmans permalink
    November 23, 2014 9:34 am

    John do u recall the 122 hitting the ammo dump in tan canh middle of April 70 during dak seang. My bn. Had just got in after being extracted for refit and resupply. We all spent hours in the toc bunker while the shrapnel rained down. My bunk had a 5 lb. Piece of steel that came right thru the roof. Ltc. Hai came to get Stearns to walk the compound with him in the middle of it, no way was Stearns leaving the bunker.LOL. couple arvn arty guys killed and couple prisoners in the stockade. By the way guys in the after action report about dak seang the 42nd was considered a “Hardship Tour” for the arvn assigned there. LOL what did that make it for us based there.

    • Captain John Avila Jr. permalink
      November 24, 2014 9:09 pm

      Yes I recall. Was in the bunker. Explosions went on for hours maybe until morning. Greatest drum symphony I have ever heard.

  12. Joel Gartenberg permalink
    November 6, 2014 11:01 pm

    Thank you, Ben.

  13. Patrick Garland permalink
    October 17, 2014 12:26 pm

    Randy:

    We (AVVBA – Atlanta Vietnam Veterans Business Association) did a memorial in Atlanta for Patrick Yeager, a Caribou pilot that was shot down in the Battle in Dak Seang.

    Go on our website – http://www.AVVBA.org – to see his memorial & 26 others we have done since 1987.

    Patrick Garland

  14. Ben youmans permalink
    October 16, 2014 10:00 pm

    I meant soc. Sec. Numbers. I have the after action report too. Lost franks contact info. We were there together. I was with 4/42nd.

  15. Randy Dunham permalink
    October 16, 2014 8:55 pm

    Ben,
    I would like a copy of those rosters. Not sure I understand what you said about the problem with many having son on them.

    I have a copy of the Battle of Dak Seang after action report April- May 1970. Secret -declassified in 1982. 106 pages. Frank DeLong got it for me a few yeras ago. Brings back a lot of memories.

  16. Ben youmans permalink
    October 16, 2014 7:01 pm

    I will get them scanned this weekend and email to any wants them and post here as pics. Problem though many have son on them. Any suggestions.

  17. Norbert Weller permalink
    October 6, 2014 3:05 pm

    I was assigned to Team 41 a seven man MACV at Dak To District HQ on Hwy 14 north of Tan Canh from Dec68-Dec 69. District Chief was Major Bao and District Senior Advisor was Major Wayne Culp.

  18. Joel Gartenberg permalink
    September 14, 2014 10:28 am

    Thanks, Ben; email is: jgart@aol.com.

  19. Ben youmans permalink
    September 14, 2014 10:23 am

    I will try and get them scanned into the computer and see if they can be posted. If not then I can email to u.

  20. Joel Gartenberg permalink
    September 14, 2014 9:44 am

    BTW, Art Elliott and I were in the same Bn, 1/39 IN, around 67-68 before we went to RVN, and I used to call him in CO until a few years ago when he didn’t remember me.

  21. Joel Gartenberg permalink
    September 14, 2014 9:40 am

    You’re doing great detective work, Ben; thanks. Can you post the rosters here so we may also see them; I would be interested in seeing them to refresh my memory about who was there?

    • November 6, 2014 9:35 pm

      Joel, on the rosters, I have not been able to get them scanned. I am mailing them to Patrick Garland. He will scan and share them.

  22. ben youmans permalink
    September 14, 2014 7:40 am

    I have located several rosters covering the advisors in Pleiku and Kontum provinces. Covers years 68-early 71 deros dates. Roster reflects actual positions at the time roster was produced.

    • Rick Nelson permalink
      October 16, 2014 6:29 pm

      I would love to get a look at those rosters. My CRS is getting untenable. Could you email per chance.

      thanks

    • Patrick Garland permalink
      October 17, 2014 12:12 pm

      Ben…..would love to get those rosters emailed to me. Was Tm 24 – Kontum – ’68 & ’69.

      Tx in advance.

      Patrick Garland -MACV G2 Air

      • Ben youmans permalink
        December 1, 2014 12:07 am

        Patrick please look at the 70 71 rosters and see there is Gerhke or similar spelling on the list. Send me full name if there.
        Byoumans70@gmail.com

  23. Ben youmans permalink
    August 30, 2014 1:39 pm

    Oh God. My bn was at the foot of the hill north east of the SF camp trying to fight up to rescue art elliott. We could not get across the small river as the dinks had it covered with multiple mgs. I last spoke on the radio that day and art said they were going to try and break out to the southeast. He was captured
    I spoke with him a few years back after I tracked him down he has since passed. I still grieve for him and feel guilt that we could not get to them that day.

  24. Rick Nelson permalink
    August 29, 2014 11:23 am

    Yeah, the team thing is kind of sketchy and I’m hard pressed to recall what all Tm 41 encompassed. I’m thinking it was KonTum Province and KonTum and DakTo Districts Advisors including the MAT Teams.

  25. Patrick Garland permalink
    August 29, 2014 10:58 am

    Our MI Tm 24 shop worked the Battle of Tanh Canh.

    • Ben youmans permalink
      August 29, 2014 12:29 pm

      Patrick what year was the tc battle.

  26. Joel Gartenberg permalink
    August 28, 2014 11:03 pm

    Hi, I’m Joel Gartenberg (CPT), Tm 24, Sr. Advisor 2/42 Regt Tanh Canh Aug 68 till o/a Mar 69 when I moved to 24 STZ in Kontum to serve as G-3 Air advisor. Worked in Tanh Canh with MAJ Milt Goo, CPT Jess Miller, LTC Jack Daniel, LTC Dick Littlefield, LT Charlie Cade, and others, More later..

    • ben youmans permalink
      August 29, 2014 8:13 am

      Welcome Home. I was at tan cahn jan70 to jan 71. Sr adv with 4/42. It had been renamed team 23 for the 42nd regt. Team 24 was just the Kontum base advisors to the 24th STZ.

  27. Ben youmans permalink
    May 22, 2014 11:13 am

    Lost some team 23.guys on Fb 6 in march 71.
    Bad time out there.

  28. Douglas Dopp permalink
    May 22, 2014 11:00 am

    Tv bit listing major battles in US history just ran and had Dakto – so many old memories &emotions erupted as result. I was Dist intel advisor 71-72.

  29. Ben youmans permalink
    April 15, 2014 6:02 pm

    I was at tan canh the whole tour did not have a assignment in the rear so don’t know about any explosion down south.

  30. Jose Rivera permalink
    April 15, 2014 10:54 am

    How many ammo dumps explosions? The explosion I was talking about was not far from the date Sgt. Louis Emil Janca and Goria Redlin died on Oct. 1970. I am completely sure because by that time I was moved from a barrack where the post office was to another barrack across the street. I was sit barefoot at the top of the stairs when the explosion occurred. My compound was about 500 yards from the explosion and both compounds were connected by a dirt road.

  31. Randy Dunham permalink
    April 11, 2014 9:50 pm

    I had just returned to the 24th STZ TOC at Tan Canh when the rockets hit the ammunition supply point on April 17th. It was completely destroyed and the secondary explosions seemed to last forever. The After Action Report concluded that the the area lacked the required protective berms and that the ASP was located too close to warehouse and Class III storage areas which were also completely destroyed.

    • Ben Youmans permalink
      April 12, 2014 6:08 am

      Randy I was in from the field and at Tan Canh that day. An Advisor with the 14th Cav over at dak to airstrip saw the explosion and told me he thought the dinks had used some kind of new weapon and he was sure the entire base was blown up and gone. He said the fireball and smoke cloud resembled a mini Nuke explosion. We must have run into each other. At least at meals or in the team house. I will never forget LTC HAI coming into the TOC bunker and wanting LTC Stearns, my boss the Regt. SR. Advisor to go with him to the ammo dump. I dont blame Stearns for not going. Stuff was raining down all over the compound. LTC. Hai was fearless, a great guy in my book. One day I will tell the story of going on my R&R to Bangkok and bringing back over $5k in diamonds to him. Hey years ago I read on the internet on some macv advisor forum that it turns out a high ranking ARVN officer at Kontum with 24th STZ was a VC spy and ended up with a high ranking job in Saigon after the collapse in 75. He was feeding our ops plans and all other units too to the NVA.

  32. Ben youmans permalink
    April 11, 2014 7:20 pm

    Mid April 70 at 4 2nd arvn rest he at tan canh.damn lucky dinks hit us with couple dozen 122s. This was during the battle of dak seang. My bn was in palace guard for refit and resupply. We spent a few hours in the toc bunker until all the secondary stopped. The arvn ammo dump was hit. Our team quarters was full oh holes from falling steel. I found a 10 pound chunk right in the center of my bunk. Was a fun time.

  33. Jose Rivera permalink
    April 11, 2014 3:49 pm

    Does anyone was in Kontum by the end of 1970 or the beginning of 1971 when the huge ammo dump explosion? I was with the 175th Signal Company and the sand bags were falling as rain around me. the explosion was in the 24th ARVN STZ

    • Captain John Avila Jr. permalink
      November 23, 2014 12:45 am

      I was there. In the tactical bunker when the ammo dump was hit. Sounded like kettle and snare drum symphony. Maj Fowler. G3 ops was in the bunker and we could do nothing. A FAC or helo pilot reported the NVA coming down from the hills with flashlights on as in procession, undisturbed. A Huey on the helio pad looked like Swiss Cheese in the morning. I don’t recall any US casualties, but many ARVN and dependents were killed. Cpt John Avila

      • Jose J Rivera permalink
        November 23, 2014 10:29 am

        John, it was like a nuke bomb. When I was running toward the bunker my feet did not touch ground.

  34. Patrick Garland permalink
    March 21, 2014 9:57 am

    Ben:

    Was in Kontum ”68-’69 w/TM24, MI-G2 Air Officer. Hartley Coursen was in our office. We are still friends and email each other. He lives in Ohio.

    (Lt) Patrick Garland

  35. Chuck Schwiderski permalink
    October 3, 2013 10:11 am

    Anyone know what happened to the three companies of the Highland Scout Companies? Their compound was down the street from the 24th STZ HQ and the ARVN Hospital. Any info would be appreciated. I was an advisor to this wonderful soldiers and have wondered what happened to them since I left in Dec 1968.

  36. Rick Nelson permalink
    August 26, 2013 11:51 pm

    I was the Kontum District deputy from Jul 68 – Jul 69.

  37. J. Patrick Garland permalink
    August 26, 2013 11:59 am

    Randy, you came in right after I left. I will email Hartley “Kit” Coursen to tell him to visit the site & reply to you.

    Patrick

  38. Chuck Schwiderski permalink
    August 23, 2013 10:19 am

    MACV Team 24, Highland Scout Company advisor 1967 and 1968.

  39. Mike Magnan permalink
    July 11, 2013 12:41 pm

    Hi Patrick,

    Sorry to hear about Harney. Glad you’re well. I’m living in Seattle and retiring from the IT world this January. I have a group picture of the usual suspects when Abe left Kontum. Harney’s back is facing, the group may include you?

    I can’t attach in this reply. If you want a copy send an e-mail to mmagnan@aol.com

    Mike

  40. J. Patrick Garland permalink
    July 11, 2013 9:59 am

    Mike:

    Harney passed away a couple years ago. Coursen is in Ohio & doing well. I am in Atlanta & mostly retired. I left Kontum in Nov. ’69. Harney went up to DakTo & Coursen stayed in Kontum. Those were the days! Hope all is well with you.

    Patrick

  41. Mike Magnan permalink
    July 10, 2013 10:24 pm

    I remember Mike Harney in G-2, a Hawaiian Irish guy, kinda crazy (& who wasn’t) and I kind of remember you Lt. Garland. I was in G-3, took over for Abe Elizardo when he DEROSED. I left in Jan 70, just after Col Miller KIA in early Dec 1969. Hope your life has been well since…

    • Randy Dunham permalink
      August 25, 2013 10:22 pm

      Hello all – I was G-3 Air from December 1969-November 1970. Remember having drinks with COL Miller the night before he was lost. Major Elliot, who was later a POW was my boss for awhile. Would like to get in contact with Coursen – lost his address on the way home.

      • Ben Youmans permalink
        March 21, 2014 7:15 am

        I was just south of maj. Elliotts bn the day he was captured. My 4/42nd was trying to get through to them. His last radio message to me was “we are going to try and break out now” we carried him as MIA and never knew he was still alive and pow until years later. I took part of recon company back into the area after the dinks went back to cambode searching and recovering many arvn and US bodies. Did not find him. He passed away back in 2012 according to the POW/MIA website.

      • Joel Gartenberg permalink
        August 30, 2014 12:43 pm

        Thx for helping me get it right, Ben. I reported on Team 23 site.

      • Joel Gartenberg permalink
        August 30, 2014 12:47 pm

        Art Elliot was my Bn XO in Germany and I stayed in touch with him periodically a few years ago. I believe he lived in CO. Did I read correctly in a post that he passed away?
        My Regimental Senior Advisor in 1968 in Tanh Canh, Jack Daniel, who I categorize as a soldier’s soldier, passed away about two weeks ago in Knoxville. -:((((

  42. Richard R Nelson permalink
    April 9, 2013 5:45 pm

    Started out with Tm 24 in July of 68 and at some point we at Kontum District transitioned to Tm 41. Spent the year as Kontum District Deputy Senior Advisor west of Kontum.

    Rick Nelson

  43. James Patrick Garland permalink
    March 9, 2013 9:18 pm

    1st Lt Garland, MACV Tm 24, Kontum Province, G-2 Air Advisor – 1968-1969
    Hartley Coursen & Mike Harney were advisors also in our office.

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