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Team 23 Kon Tum – Tan Cahn

MACV Team 23 -Kon Tum -Tan Cahn

This Page is intended for the discussion of the Military Assistance Command Vietnam Team 23 located in Kon Tum -Tan Cahn.

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  1. fred weston permalink
    September 12, 2014 9:16 am

    I have no memory of him, but I do recall an Aussie in the area (but no name).

  2. ben youmans permalink
    September 12, 2014 6:38 am

    All you guys from Tan Canh-Dak To area do yall remember the American missionary who lived in Tan Cahn. He ran a small store and sold Montagnard souvenirs. He used the money to buy supplies for the yards. He was never armed and traveled to the yard villages freely. Cant recall his name but some years back I located him in St. Pete, FL. The Tampa paper wrote a story about him and that is how I ran across him.

    • Jess Miller permalink
      September 15, 2014 5:46 pm

      I can remember a tall, thin redish hair guy maybe in his early thirties. He drove a beatup jeep and said he represented the Quaker church. He would come up to the advisors compound and than leave. Strangely within a day or so we would get mortared. LTC Daniel finally told him he wasn’t welcome. He never seemed to have a problem getting around the main roads, ever when we couldn’t.

  3. Charles Bethard permalink
    September 12, 2014 12:01 am

    Capt Joel, I am lt Charles Bethard, I worked with you and Jessie in68-69 at Tan can, 2/42. Have some photos of you. W/ Parrot.

    • Jess Miller permalink
      September 15, 2014 5:37 pm

      Hi Charles, Good to hear from you. As I recall you were from Illinois, I remember spending many hours with you on top of that bunker we were building filling sand bags. I’m still in contact with Charlie Cade and Dick Littlefield and of course Joel.

  4. Ron Crandall permalink
    September 3, 2014 6:13 pm

    Thank you CPT. I often wonder what happened to all the Advisors at Team 23. Fred came by the 24th of Aug. First time I have seen Fred in 46 + years. I was over joyed. He is one of the good ones you meet in life. WOW

  5. Ron Crandall permalink
    September 3, 2014 6:04 pm

    Jess, welcome home brother: I would sure like to find the RO that was assigned to Team 23 in Aug 67. Im terrible with names. I know he was a pretty big guy. If anyone remembers him please let me know.

  6. Joel Gartenberg permalink
    September 2, 2014 6:40 pm

    We had one RTO who was a drugger, I believe; name Antinio or Tony. Or something similar as I recall.

  7. Joel Gartenberg permalink
    August 29, 2014 10:24 am

    Hi, I’m Joel Gartenberg (CPT), Tm 23, Sr. Advisor 2/42 Regt Tanh Canh Aug 68 till o/a Mar 69 when I moved to 24 STZ in Kontum to serve as G-3 Air advisor. Worked in Tanh Canh with MAJ Milt Goo, CPT Jess Miller, LTC Jack Daniel, LTC Dick Littlefield, LT Charlie Cade, and others, More later..
    PS. Erroneously stated in another post for Team 24 that I served with them.

    • Ron Crandall permalink
      August 29, 2014 12:41 pm

      Welcome Home: You mentioned several LTC you served with. Do you remember the name of the RTO at Tan Cahn?

      • Jess Miller permalink
        September 2, 2014 4:01 pm

        Ron, I can’t remember the RTOs name but I do have a picture of him outside the commo bunker. He was young SP4. For others on this forum I have a roster of personnel from the previous 24 STZ discussion group from 2000. I’m sure most of the information is no longer current but could be used to source names of Teams 23 and 24 personnel.

  8. fred weston permalink
    May 31, 2014 4:17 pm

    Tm 23 was a stand alone team without subsectors, groups, etc.

  9. Ben youmans permalink
    May 31, 2014 10:59 am

    What month in 71. Ssg Larry st. Onge transferred from my team at 42nd to dak to district late 70. Would have been there til around April 71.

  10. Douglas Dopp permalink
    May 31, 2014 10:36 am

    Fred, I’ll challenge that smallest claim since the Dakto District Team in 71-72 consisted of 2. I used to visit your compound when I needed intel and American faces. We may have met. I was the guy with the bright green NP Jeep – great camouflage! DD

  11. April 13, 2014 4:58 am

    Did he take his Vietnamese wife back to the States?? Any idea what year he retired?

  12. Ben youmans permalink
    March 26, 2014 1:22 pm

    Thanks for the website info. Welcome home

  13. fred weston permalink
    March 21, 2014 6:08 pm

    Good to hear back from you ,too. I live in Locust Grove, Ga just off I-75 40 miles south of Atlanta. Perhaps someday we can meet up. My E-mail is

  14. fred weston MSG Ret permalink
    March 21, 2014 9:32 am

    I was stationed there from Jun 67-Mar 68 as the only medic ever assigned. My official assignment was Tm24 with duty at Tm23 during that period. Looking back, I am only now aware of the situation we all were placed and some did not survive. I worked closely with Ba Ut on meal planning, prep, etc along with ordering supplies to include all the beer and liquor for the bar. Maintained the sanitation of fresh water and kept the rat population under control (almost). We were placed in harm’s way and exposed needlessly and in the end, the last members were left in a bad situation with higher command not knowing who was there, to include the faithful Vietnamese in our charge. A sad and under reported ending to all.

    • Ben Youmans permalink
      March 21, 2014 2:40 pm

      Fred, good to hear from you. When I was there ba ut bought a lot of our food in the ville. The major stuff and cigs, beer, booze we got from pleiku afb. Thr
      ey had a class VI store and px and big commisary. The 4th ID (my unit from 1st tour in 68) had moved all back to ankhe. We pooled our subsistence allowance for ba to buy in the ville and our purchases at pleiku. We had a box in the little bar in the team house and that bought our booze. Our ARVN wives made ho chi minh sandals and vc/nva flags with bullet holes and chicken blood on them. These got us beaucoup stuff from the AF supply sgt who had been there about 7 years. He did a lucrative selling biz with the stuff we brought him with the af crews and ground personnel. Whichever team that was on palace guard at regt base made the two run to pleiku.
      By mid 70 the new rule was once the 42nd units got out of 105 range the advisory team was extracted. Me and my teammates refused to leave and were given direct orders by the SA COL of the 24th STZ in kontum to get on the chopper or face a summary court martial. Same thing happened at the end of june 70 when we were in cambode.
      Do you recall the almost daily right at 5pm 122 rockets coming in from rocket ridge. You could almost set your watch by them.
      I often wonder what happened to ba ut and her two children. I grieve all the time for my ARVN soldiers and counterparts. I have to think very few made it. A few years ago someone told me the 42nd ended up at quinhon after the highlands fell to the dinks. I hope some of them and their families made it out. They were like the US Army Armored Cav units along the german border–only there to slow the attacking forces at all costs. I live in zephyrhills, fl if you ever get by here we will have a coffee and chat.

      • Ron Crandall permalink
        March 26, 2014 12:06 pm

        Hi Ben, May tour was from june 67 to May 68. LW advisor for the 1st and 3rd Bn. We fought in 2 major campaigns ln 1967 Operation Greely in summer and Operation McAuthur in the winter. We saw action every time we went to the field. The 22 Inf Div was mover to the South of siagon after the fall of the central highlands. They were one of last units to surrender. Go to 22nd Inf Div, ARVN. Welcome home brother. ron

  15. Ben Youmans permalink
    March 21, 2014 7:05 am

    I was BCAT CO 4/42nd Jan 70 to Jan 71. By my own request I stayed with the Bn my whole 12 month tour. This was Tm 23 at Tan Cahn. Was in the Dak Seang SF camp battle the whole month of April 70. We learned that Vietnamazation would never work primarily because the supply/support network just did not exist to maintain the ARVN infantry in the field for sustained periods of time. Some of my team were lt. Grimsley, sgt st. Onge, cpt. Gehrke, ltc. Stearns, maj. Art elliott, captured april 70, pow for 3 years came home march 73. Many other fine officers and ncos. Spent time on FB 6 and beaucoup trips up and down the dak poko valley, ben het, dak pek, dak sut, and several trips on hwy 14 to trade for supplies at pleiku AFB. Our faithful cook ba ut if I remember correctly. Interesting note I learned while reading the after action rpt on dak seang is that the 42nd was considered a “hardship tour” by the ARVN. If that was true what was it for the US team assigned there.

  16. fred weston permalink
    February 6, 2014 6:59 pm

    I was assigned to TM24 with duty at TM23 from Jul 67 to Mar 68. Then assigned to the Dak To subsector until discharge in Jun 68. TM 23 didn’t have an authorization for a Medic so there is no record of my duty there (only a photo on the wall by the bar). Ron Crandall was a light weapons advisor and left in Jul 68. He and I are in contact with each other even after all these years. Fred Weston

  17. Jess Miller permalink
    February 6, 2014 5:04 pm

    I was a member of team 23 from Aug 68 to Jul 69. Up to that time I was the only advisor to accompany every battalion during an operation and that included the recon company. My primary position was SA to the 4/42. Other members of the team were LTC John Daniel, Maj Milt Goo, CPT Joel Gartenberg, LTC Dick Littlefield, 1LT Charlie Cade

    • Ron Crandall permalink
      February 13, 2014 4:29 pm

      were you stationed at dakto? I served from june 67-may68 at dakto. I was sa advisor with 1st and 3rd bn 42 inf regt. the names u mentioned dont strike a bell. im in mo, where are you from? did you know the RTO at dakto?

  18. Chuck Schwiderski permalink
    August 23, 2013 10:21 am

    I think it was the 4th Battalion Ronnie

  19. J. Patrick Garland permalink
    August 1, 2013 10:16 am

    Ron, my email for pictures is –

    Not sure I remember that drunk….but there were several.


  20. ron crandall permalink
    July 31, 2013 1:16 pm

    I do have a picture of Cpt Brown and Lt Fitch. I can not attach to this email. Also you remember the black Major or Ltc who was the senior advisor for team 23? He was drunk in his room all the time.

  21. J. Patrick Garland permalink
    July 30, 2013 2:31 pm

    Joe Brown sounds familiar but a picture would be better to remember him & possibly Fitch. I was in Kontum from late ’68 to end of ’69 with MACV Tm 24 – G2 Air. Was there during the battle of Tan Cahn, supported in the command bunker there & going out to pick up prisoners with my VN counter part. We had a big show for the press about the Cu Hoi (sp?) effort with a prisoner who gave us info & we found a large cash of weapons – all laid out in Kontum for the press.

  22. Ron Crandall permalink
    July 29, 2013 11:31 pm

    What years were you there. I did not know this Brother. I was there 67-68.

  23. fred weston permalink
    July 29, 2013 12:16 pm

    Sorry, I didn’t know him.

  24. Chuck Schwiderski permalink
    July 29, 2013 11:27 am

    I was a member of Advisory Team 24 in Kontum. Just wondering if anyone knows what happened to SFC Wolf. He trained me well.

    • gale w. chapin permalink
      April 12, 2014 2:24 pm

      Chuck, Wolf retired in Killeen, TX, with his wife. He did own a fast food place right next to the high school last I knew.

    • gale w. chapin permalink
      April 12, 2014 10:02 pm


      Update on SFC Wolfe, he died in 2000 and is buried in the Houston National Cemetery.

  25. Fred Weston permalink
    April 6, 2013 7:01 pm

    I didn’t have the priviledge to know either brother-in-arms…………..

  26. Fred Weston permalink
    February 8, 2013 12:38 am

    Team 23 was assigned to support the 42d ARVN at the village of Tan Cahn in Kontum Province. This team was considered the smallest advisory team in Vietnam. I was assigned to Team 23 from Jul 67 thru Mar 68 until reassigned to Team 24 Dak To Subsector. The garrison was not defendable and this proved correct in 1972 when they were overrun by NVA without any means of support from higher command.

    • February 15, 2013 9:14 pm

      Thank you Fred.

    • James Patrick Garland permalink
      April 6, 2013 1:02 pm


      Did you know Mike Harney? He was Tm 24, Kontum then up to Dak To in ’70. I just found out Mike passed away in 2010. Hartley Coursen was a Tm 24 Advisor friend as well. I was Tm 24 Kontum ’68-’69.

      Patrick Garland (1st LT).

      • Ronnie D Crandall permalink
        July 26, 2013 4:48 pm

        Ron Crandall, Tm23 6/67-5/68. What BN were you assigned to in Kontum? I was with the 1st and 3rd Bn at Tan Canh. I served 10 months with Fred Weston. Took me 46 yrs to find him. I never knew either of these brothers. Do you remember Cpt Joe Brown or Lt John Fitch?

      • Fred Weston permalink
        July 27, 2013 9:01 am

        I left the Dak To subsector in Jun 68 so I didn’t know Mike, the bulk of my duty while assigned to Tm 24 was with Tm 23. Though no one will find a record of that.

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