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Team 23 Kon Tum – Tan Cahn

MACV Team 23 -Kon Tum -Tan Cahn

This Page is intended for the discussion of the Military Assistance Command Vietnam Team 23 located in Kon Tum -Tan Cahn.

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  1. Ben youmans permalink
    November 23, 2014 8:48 am

    Fred hell yeh. All 23 and 24 guys. Does anyone know if 23 was always 23. Was the 42nd. Always at tan canh. Where did they move when kontum was lost in 75. There is a assn called Counterparts. Website is http://www.counterparts.org. they have all type advisors on it.

  2. Ben youmans permalink
    November 23, 2014 8:42 am

    Cool john I posted same thing before reading your post. Anyone a face book pro that can create one for us team 23 and 24.

  3. Ben youmans permalink
    November 23, 2014 8:40 am

    Yo Charlie, I was your replacement. I was ar Hunter army Airfield and couldn’t handle stateside duty so I volunteered to go back. Armor Branch assured me I would get nice desk job. LOL. Left Long Binh and by the time I got to Kontum I knew I was in deep doodoo. Grimsley was there when I arrived Tin Can Jan 70. When dak seang started April 1 we moved up to support and try to break through to relieve the camp. George was short, only a few weeks left. He had been thru Ben Het shit with you and he was big time apprehensive. I got Ltc. Stearns to have him extracted and he finished his tour in ops in kontum. I located him years ago and we spoke. He lives in CA. Didn’t really want to talk about Nam. I never called again lost his number. I sent one of the guys here some rosters. The later years have SSN and for a few bucks each they can be located phone and address. We could have them contacted and see if they interested. We should set up a email distribution list of us here. Little easier to commo together. Also set up Facebook page. Some guys might find it and get in touch. I only learned of this site by accident.

  4. charlie cade permalink
    November 22, 2014 9:53 pm

    cpt avila , sorry we haven’t met in person, i think i admire your energy and i support your desire to get all that we can together and meet in washington dc. i enjoyed our previous get together but we didn’t quite reach enough people to have a quorum ,joking. if we could get a list of people who want to go we could make a deal with a hotel and have a whiz bang affair.
    a dinner, and get down with war stories, it would be good to give all a chance to stand and be recognized. does anyone know who advised 4th bn of the 43rd regt. after i left jan 1970?
    Lt george grimsley was my assistant when i rotated stateside. from the comments read previously i guess lobster and black label beer are out. cpt retired charlie cade, leg inf. and i make no apologies for that, just glad i served and came home , would be nice to have input as to what every one thinks we should plan to make this a memorable event.

    • Captain John Avila Jr. permalink
      November 22, 2014 10:08 pm

      I agree, we get each other’s emails and make a list of all we know. I can do the research to find the guys in my part of the country. Everyone else can do the same. We are old warriors now, but were once young. I am for commerating our past. John

    • fred weston permalink
      November 22, 2014 10:40 pm

      I am assuming that anyone who was assigned to Tm23 will be included in these plans. While I was there in 67-68, along with Ron Crandall during the Battle of Dak TO and TET. He and I have spoken several times on the phone and I was able to spend a few precious hours at his home in Joplin, Mo back last Aug. I used to make the supply run to Pleiku every month by flying down by chopper and returning by Caribou to the 1/4 airstrip.

      • Captain John Avila Jr. permalink
        November 22, 2014 10:59 pm

        Of course! We are all brothers. Nothing can separate our bond… John

  5. Ben youmans permalink
    November 22, 2014 9:36 pm

    I have to find it. I have an article about dak seang from years ago it was in the VVA. MAGAZINE. Will find it and mail u a copy. I also have the complete after action report on dak seang. It was declassified some years back. Email me your address.

  6. Ben youmans permalink
    November 22, 2014 9:13 pm

    I remember the lobsters. Awesome.

    • Captain John Avila Jr. permalink
      November 22, 2014 9:21 pm

      We need to contact as many of our fellow veterans as we can. Gather in DC and start the beginnings is a book on Advisors at the Battle of Dak Seang. I will finance. What do you think?

  7. Ben youmans permalink
    November 22, 2014 7:56 pm

    Brumley also only drank scotch. The tiki bar was loaded with scotch when the palace guard made the resupply run to pleiku AFB. I learned to drink scotch and did so until a few years ago. He didn’t play poker.

    • Captain John Avila Jr. permalink
      November 22, 2014 8:08 pm

      I would make the run to Plieku with a quarter ton trailer of weapons to pick up booze, steaks and one time our team dined on lobsters until we were in a food coma. To this day I can’t look at a can of Carling Black Label beer. Do they even make it anymore? lol

  8. Ben youmans permalink
    November 22, 2014 6:33 pm

    LOL. I don’t recall if anyone else from our team went to cambodia. LTC. Stearns commanded 1 of the artillery bns up there before coming to 42nd. He liked poker and his whiskey.

    • Captain John Avila Jr. permalink
      November 22, 2014 6:48 pm

      Ah yes I do recall. Brumley liked volley ball games on the rock hard helo pad adjacent to the command bunker. also remember the Spades games which we all became experts in counting cards.

  9. Ben youmans permalink
    November 22, 2014 4:54 pm

    LTC. Stearns was our boss during dak seang. After that I was sent tdy to go to Cambodia with arvn cav unit. Later went across with my bn for a few weeks. Long story about that fiasco will tell u some time. My email byoumans70@gmail.com phone 813 748 7294.

    • Captain John Avila Jr. permalink
      November 22, 2014 6:07 pm

      LTC Sterns, that was him. He convinced me to become the 2nd Bn advisor. Remember you being sent to Cambodia. JA

  10. Ben youmans permalink
    November 22, 2014 3:40 pm

    How ironic, Art Elliott was with the Texas national guard before he volunteered for active duty. Don’t recall Koons. Must have came after I left in Jan 71. Wonder why one of u guys didn’t get 4/42 when I left. German was a 1st LT. All in all I had 3 asst. During my year up there. I recall one new guy who came in nov 70 said they told him to stay clear of me as I must be crazy to have asked to stay with my bn. The whole year. They had been rotating guys out after they did 6 months. I always thought it was safer in the field.

    • Captain John Avila Jr. permalink
      November 22, 2014 3:58 pm

      Actually last name was Pace. Don’t know how Koons got in there. lol He was there when we were there, but for a short time. After the Dak Seang battle, my Bn was sent to Na Trang for refit and training. Really did not know why as we were the least affected having been sent to Rocket Ridge during the battle. I as the artillery advisor when 2nd Bn’s advisors were wounded and volunteered at LTC Summers ( think that was his name) request to become the Bn Infantry Advisor.

  11. Fred Weston permalink
    November 21, 2014 5:20 pm

    I would be interested. I was attached as a medic from Jun 67 thru Mar 68 b4 going to the Dak To subsector for Tm 24.

  12. Ben youmans permalink
    November 21, 2014 2:01 pm

    Ok I am in. We should start a list and contact all we know on the teams.

  13. Jess Miller permalink
    November 21, 2014 1:55 pm

    Even though, for me it would mean a cross country trip (from Seattle) I think for a group of veterans Washington D.C. is the best place for a reunion. The best time is April or early May.

  14. charlie cade permalink
    November 21, 2014 12:51 pm

    hello all fellow tm 23 members. i am the former 1st lt charlie cade who served initially with jess , joel, dick, milton, and a few others whose names have escaped me. i was there in RVN 1969, was offered chance to move to kontum last part of tour but declined.i was in the dark about events and people for 10 to 15 years after but later made contact with joel ,jess and littlefield went to dc , the wall with same. went back to VIETNAM 2005 with my son LTC Steve cade, we flew into saigon,up to pleiku, kontum, tan cahn, and dakto. i often wondered what happened to ba ut and family, and the bn cmd that i advised. it would be great if we could get the majority of team 23 and 24 to a get together, i am 75 now and if it happens i hope i am able to attend. someone mentioned that we were somewhat forgotten in support planning, that means any history or stories is up to us to preserve since no one else will think we were important. welcome comments.

  15. Ben youmans permalink
    November 21, 2014 12:01 pm

    For all when is good time and where.

  16. Joel Gartenberg permalink
    November 21, 2014 11:56 am

    I’m interested in a reunion, Ben. Our 68-69 team held a couple in DC a few years ago. Attended by then LTCs Jack Daniel and Dick Littlefield, CPT Jess Miller, and LT Charlie Cade, and a few wives. We had fun visitng the wall and mostly reminiscing and enjoying each other’s company and telling war stories. And drinking a little alcohol too.

  17. Ben youmans permalink
    November 21, 2014 11:39 am

    Anyone Else from team 23 interested in a reunion

  18. Ron Crandall permalink
    November 21, 2014 11:11 am

    Ben, Sounds like TM 23 was up to strength with Advisors when you were there. After Aug 67 there was only 4 team members at Tan Cahn, Fred Weston (medic), CPT Brown, the rto and myself. In early Dec the MAJ (black), and a LTC (never got his name) heavy drinker arrived at Tan Cahn. In Operations after Aug 67, there was no after action reports on field operations. Sometimes I think maybe no reports of any kind. On Nov18, 67 the 3rd Bn came in contact with 24th PAVN Reg on hill 1416. After a feirce fire fight, we dug in and set up our premiers. 4 or five nite assults, the next morning another attempt to overrun us but to no avail. Air strikes were called in on our positions. We were reinforced by 2 ARVN Air Bourne Units. On Nov 20th contact was broken by the NVA. Ben I would like to see a reunion of Tm 23. Thanks Brothers, GOD BLESS ALL OF YOU AND GOD BLESS AMERICA. Welcome Home. ron

  19. Ben youmans permalink
    November 19, 2014 7:54 pm

    John, art Elliott came home March 73. I talked with him some years ago. He passed away 3-4 years ago. Lost Jerry email and also LTC Brumley. Been in touch with Cpt. Gerhke a few years back, he was my asst. Team leader. I was with 4/42 for whole tour Jan 70 to Jan 71. I was 23 turned 24 Oct 70. Was on my 2nd tour. We should try to have some type reunion of all 42nd advisory guys one day soon. My interpreter was mia after Fb 6 overrun March 71. My other asst. After Gerhke was Craig German he lives north of Atlanta lost his email also. Others were maj. Chambers cpt. Bowers cpt. Long. Many others I forget. Email byoumans70@gmail.com

    • Captain John Avila Jr. permalink
      November 22, 2014 3:22 pm

      Reunion, I’m in… Joined the Texas Guard on my return and enrollment at the University of Texas. Ready for this… 32 years total service. Final rank BG (Brvt), 49th Armored Division. Retired around 1999. Saw then LTC Chambers at Ft Polk when my Bn arrived for a weekend arty shoot. Told me about the Rocket Ridge fight of April 1971. Maj. Talon Pace Koons me with the 2nd/42nd Regiment, became his second. He returned to CONUS on a hardship prior to the Battle for Kontum. Remember him?

  20. Ron Crandall permalink
    November 19, 2014 6:20 pm

    Welcome Home CPT John.

  21. Ben youmans permalink
    November 19, 2014 4:36 pm

    No large money fund on my tour. Jan 70 to Jan 71.

    • Captain John Avila Jr. permalink
      November 19, 2014 7:10 pm

      My DiWe was a youngster. I was 22-23, he could not have been over 30. Young BN Cmdr. Remember Ba well. She really took care of us. My interpreter was Dat. Heard he was killed after I left when FB 5 was over run. Capt. Jerry Yaney is in Houston. LTC Brumley was in Austin. Good to hear Maj Elliot survived, I assumed he was still MIA. Remember his Lt’s name who made it back to Tan Can when his BN was over run. Good to hear from you guys. I am well, 67 now, married, two sons and a daughter, 8 grandchildren, own and run a construction company in Fort Worth, Thjs S. Byrne Ltd., but the boys are soon taking over.

  22. Joel Gartenberg permalink
    November 19, 2014 3:38 pm

    Hi, John, and welcome to our discussion group.
    Was Dai Uy (spelling) U, VN CPT, still Bn CO of 2/42 when you were there? As I recall, he fought against the Japanese in WWII and Viet Minh in Indo Chinese War.
    Also, the discussion about funds reminded me that Tm 23 had a large slush fund of thousands “earned” I believe, from sellling beer to US units at Dak To. Or am I smoking (figuratively) some bad stuff? -8))

  23. Ben youmans permalink
    November 19, 2014 3:37 pm

    Hey john, wow so many years. How u been doing. Welcome home.

  24. Captain John Avila Jr. permalink
    November 19, 2014 3:16 pm

    Was Battalion advisor to 2nd Bn. 42nd Regmt on Team 23. Same time period as Ben Yomens and LTC Brumley.

  25. Ron Crandall permalink
    November 9, 2014 12:30 pm

    thank you ben, im looking forward to viewing them

  26. Ben youmans permalink
    November 8, 2014 10:55 am

    Ron the rosters r in the mail to Pat garland. He will scan and share with group. Has team 22 22 23 24. Name and the District people.

  27. Ron Crandall permalink
    November 8, 2014 10:30 am

    Ben, thanks alot for your troble. The rto at tm 23 arrived before Mike Howard left in early aug 67. I would like a copy of the rosters if it is possible. I served with a 1LT Dick Littlefield at Ft Wainwright, Alaska 70-72. Maybe son of LTC Littlefield. Thanks again, Welcome Brother. ron

  28. Ben youmans permalink
    November 6, 2014 4:14 pm

    Patrick, me email. Byoumans70@gmail.com. send me your snail mail addy. Will get mailed to u next few days. Thank u brother. Is there way to post photos on this site.

  29. Patrick Garland permalink
    November 6, 2014 4:07 pm

    Ben:

    Be happy to scan & remove SSN’s then save in a file format everyone could access -PDF.

    Patirick – 1st Lt, MACV, G2 Air, Tm24, Kontum, 68-69

    • November 6, 2014 10:16 pm

      Should be going out priority mail manana. With Vet Day holiday look for them wed. Enjoy.

  30. Ben youmans permalink
    November 6, 2014 3:12 pm

    Strange. In mid 70 we got a new asst. Reg. Advisor named Brown. It was his first tour and he was infantry. Black guy. We learned later he had been getting family hardship exemptions since rotc.commisionning. inf. Branch finally told him without a Nam tour he could expect no more promotions. Spent first couple months on staff at kontum hq. Col told him he better get field slot so he could get CIB. He was not good troop. Complained about everything in tan canh. Would take his meals to bunker mostly as he was terrified of possible incoming. Refused to go out on any opps. Quoted job description saying his place was in regt. Hq.only. LTc.Brumley finn all got him sent back to kontum and said he had not earned Cib. Due to no enemy contact. When I left for the world Jan 70 and was out processing at kontum I saw him in the club wearing a CIB. Freaking wannabee and he was prejudiced toward the viets. Go figure.

  31. Joel Gartenberg permalink
    November 6, 2014 2:22 pm

    Hi, Joel Gartenberg here. LTC Dick Littlefield replaced LTC Jack Daniel, who passed about 2-3 months ago. I believe the black MAJ was Brown. Dick was wounded in a mortar and ground attack soon after taking over, and was evacuated..

  32. Ron Crandall permalink
    November 6, 2014 1:35 pm

    Jessie, do you remember the RTO at tm 23 Tan Cahn? LTC Littlefield, did he replace a LTC or Black MAJ in 1968? Thank you Brother, Welcome home

    • ben youmans permalink
      November 6, 2014 3:34 pm

      Ron, roster has rto 6/68 to 6 68 named robbert bennet sp4.
      Okay I wrote previous I had pleiku, kontum, dak to, team 24, 23 rosters. I have not been able to get them scanned to send to couple of u that wanted them. I have no family who would want these if I go. Does one on u guys want to be the librarian?. I will snail mail to u, u scan and get copies yo others who might want copy. Post here who will volunteer. If more than one you guys work it out. Maybe u can black out the SSN. And figure how to post here. Maybe send copy to the texas college that is arching this type data so others may research it.

    • Jess Miller permalink
      November 13, 2014 2:20 pm

      Joel’s account is correct The black Major was Joe Brown. I got to Tan Canh in August 1968 and Joe was the Asst Regimental Advisor. After I was wounded and sent to Duc My training center, where the 4/42 was in training, I returned to Tan Canh the first of Oct to get paid, Maj Brown was gone,replaced by Maj Milton Goo. It is my understanding LTC Daniel had him replaced.

  33. fred weston permalink
    September 12, 2014 9:16 am

    I have no memory of him, but I do recall an Aussie in the area (but no name).

  34. ben youmans permalink
    September 12, 2014 6:38 am

    All you guys from Tan Canh-Dak To area do yall remember the American missionary who lived in Tan Cahn. He ran a small store and sold Montagnard souvenirs. He used the money to buy supplies for the yards. He was never armed and traveled to the yard villages freely. Cant recall his name but some years back I located him in St. Pete, FL. The Tampa paper wrote a story about him and that is how I ran across him.

    • Jess Miller permalink
      September 15, 2014 5:46 pm

      I can remember a tall, thin redish hair guy maybe in his early thirties. He drove a beatup jeep and said he represented the Quaker church. He would come up to the advisors compound and than leave. Strangely within a day or so we would get mortared. LTC Daniel finally told him he wasn’t welcome. He never seemed to have a problem getting around the main roads, ever when we couldn’t.

  35. Charles Bethard permalink
    September 12, 2014 12:01 am

    Capt Joel, I am lt Charles Bethard, I worked with you and Jessie in68-69 at Tan can, 2/42. Have some photos of you. W/ Parrot.

    • Jess Miller permalink
      September 15, 2014 5:37 pm

      Hi Charles, Good to hear from you. As I recall you were from Illinois, I remember spending many hours with you on top of that bunker we were building filling sand bags. I’m still in contact with Charlie Cade and Dick Littlefield and of course Joel.

  36. Ron Crandall permalink
    September 3, 2014 6:13 pm

    Thank you CPT. I often wonder what happened to all the Advisors at Team 23. Fred came by the 24th of Aug. First time I have seen Fred in 46 + years. I was over joyed. He is one of the good ones you meet in life. WOW

  37. Ron Crandall permalink
    September 3, 2014 6:04 pm

    Jess, welcome home brother: I would sure like to find the RO that was assigned to Team 23 in Aug 67. Im terrible with names. I know he was a pretty big guy. If anyone remembers him please let me know.

  38. Joel Gartenberg permalink
    September 2, 2014 6:40 pm

    We had one RTO who was a drugger, I believe; name Antinio or Tony. Or something similar as I recall.

  39. Joel Gartenberg permalink
    August 29, 2014 10:24 am

    Hi, I’m Joel Gartenberg (CPT), Tm 23, Sr. Advisor 2/42 Regt Tanh Canh Aug 68 till o/a Mar 69 when I moved to 24 STZ in Kontum to serve as G-3 Air advisor. Worked in Tanh Canh with MAJ Milt Goo, CPT Jess Miller, LTC Jack Daniel, LTC Dick Littlefield, LT Charlie Cade, and others, More later..
    PS. Erroneously stated in another post for Team 24 that I served with them.

    • Ron Crandall permalink
      August 29, 2014 12:41 pm

      Welcome Home: You mentioned several LTC you served with. Do you remember the name of the RTO at Tan Cahn?

      • Jess Miller permalink
        September 2, 2014 4:01 pm

        Ron, I can’t remember the RTOs name but I do have a picture of him outside the commo bunker. He was young SP4. For others on this forum I have a roster of personnel from the previous 24 STZ discussion group from 2000. I’m sure most of the information is no longer current but could be used to source names of Teams 23 and 24 personnel.

  40. fred weston permalink
    May 31, 2014 4:17 pm

    Tm 23 was a stand alone team without subsectors, groups, etc.

  41. Ben youmans permalink
    May 31, 2014 10:59 am

    What month in 71. Ssg Larry st. Onge transferred from my team at 42nd to dak to district late 70. Would have been there til around April 71.

  42. Douglas Dopp permalink
    May 31, 2014 10:36 am

    Fred, I’ll challenge that smallest claim since the Dakto District Team in 71-72 consisted of 2. I used to visit your compound when I needed intel and American faces. We may have met. I was the guy with the bright green NP Jeep – great camouflage! DD

  43. April 13, 2014 4:58 am

    Did he take his Vietnamese wife back to the States?? Any idea what year he retired?

  44. Ben youmans permalink
    March 26, 2014 1:22 pm

    Thanks for the website info. Welcome home

  45. fred weston permalink
    March 21, 2014 6:08 pm

    Good to hear back from you ,too. I live in Locust Grove, Ga just off I-75 40 miles south of Atlanta. Perhaps someday we can meet up. My E-mail is skip0146@att.net.

  46. fred weston MSG Ret permalink
    March 21, 2014 9:32 am

    I was stationed there from Jun 67-Mar 68 as the only medic ever assigned. My official assignment was Tm24 with duty at Tm23 during that period. Looking back, I am only now aware of the situation we all were placed and some did not survive. I worked closely with Ba Ut on meal planning, prep, etc along with ordering supplies to include all the beer and liquor for the bar. Maintained the sanitation of fresh water and kept the rat population under control (almost). We were placed in harm’s way and exposed needlessly and in the end, the last members were left in a bad situation with higher command not knowing who was there, to include the faithful Vietnamese in our charge. A sad and under reported ending to all.

    • Ben Youmans permalink
      March 21, 2014 2:40 pm

      Fred, good to hear from you. When I was there ba ut bought a lot of our food in the ville. The major stuff and cigs, beer, booze we got from pleiku afb. Thr
      ey had a class VI store and px and big commisary. The 4th ID (my unit from 1st tour in 68) had moved all back to ankhe. We pooled our subsistence allowance for ba to buy in the ville and our purchases at pleiku. We had a box in the little bar in the team house and that bought our booze. Our ARVN wives made ho chi minh sandals and vc/nva flags with bullet holes and chicken blood on them. These got us beaucoup stuff from the AF supply sgt who had been there about 7 years. He did a lucrative selling biz with the stuff we brought him with the af crews and ground personnel. Whichever team that was on palace guard at regt base made the two run to pleiku.
      By mid 70 the new rule was once the 42nd units got out of 105 range the advisory team was extracted. Me and my teammates refused to leave and were given direct orders by the SA COL of the 24th STZ in kontum to get on the chopper or face a summary court martial. Same thing happened at the end of june 70 when we were in cambode.
      Do you recall the almost daily right at 5pm 122 rockets coming in from rocket ridge. You could almost set your watch by them.
      I often wonder what happened to ba ut and her two children. I grieve all the time for my ARVN soldiers and counterparts. I have to think very few made it. A few years ago someone told me the 42nd ended up at quinhon after the highlands fell to the dinks. I hope some of them and their families made it out. They were like the US Army Armored Cav units along the german border–only there to slow the attacking forces at all costs. I live in zephyrhills, fl if you ever get by here we will have a coffee and chat.

      • Ron Crandall permalink
        March 26, 2014 12:06 pm

        Hi Ben, May tour was from june 67 to May 68. LW advisor for the 1st and 3rd Bn. We fought in 2 major campaigns ln 1967 Operation Greely in summer and Operation McAuthur in the winter. We saw action every time we went to the field. The 22 Inf Div was mover to the South of siagon after the fall of the central highlands. They were one of last units to surrender. Go to 22nd Inf Div, ARVN. Welcome home brother. ron

  47. Ben Youmans permalink
    March 21, 2014 7:05 am

    I was BCAT CO 4/42nd Jan 70 to Jan 71. By my own request I stayed with the Bn my whole 12 month tour. This was Tm 23 at Tan Cahn. Was in the Dak Seang SF camp battle the whole month of April 70. We learned that Vietnamazation would never work primarily because the supply/support network just did not exist to maintain the ARVN infantry in the field for sustained periods of time. Some of my team were lt. Grimsley, sgt st. Onge, cpt. Gehrke, ltc. Stearns, maj. Art elliott, captured april 70, pow for 3 years came home march 73. Many other fine officers and ncos. Spent time on FB 6 and beaucoup trips up and down the dak poko valley, ben het, dak pek, dak sut, and several trips on hwy 14 to trade for supplies at pleiku AFB. Our faithful cook ba ut if I remember correctly. Interesting note I learned while reading the after action rpt on dak seang is that the 42nd was considered a “hardship tour” by the ARVN. If that was true what was it for the US team assigned there.

  48. fred weston permalink
    February 6, 2014 6:59 pm

    I was assigned to TM24 with duty at TM23 from Jul 67 to Mar 68. Then assigned to the Dak To subsector until discharge in Jun 68. TM 23 didn’t have an authorization for a Medic so there is no record of my duty there (only a photo on the wall by the bar). Ron Crandall was a light weapons advisor and left in Jul 68. He and I are in contact with each other even after all these years. Fred Weston

  49. Jess Miller permalink
    February 6, 2014 5:04 pm

    I was a member of team 23 from Aug 68 to Jul 69. Up to that time I was the only advisor to accompany every battalion during an operation and that included the recon company. My primary position was SA to the 4/42. Other members of the team were LTC John Daniel, Maj Milt Goo, CPT Joel Gartenberg, LTC Dick Littlefield, 1LT Charlie Cade

    • Ron Crandall permalink
      February 13, 2014 4:29 pm

      were you stationed at dakto? I served from june 67-may68 at dakto. I was sa advisor with 1st and 3rd bn 42 inf regt. the names u mentioned dont strike a bell. im in mo, where are you from? did you know the RTO at dakto?

  50. Chuck Schwiderski permalink
    August 23, 2013 10:21 am

    I think it was the 4th Battalion Ronnie

  51. J. Patrick Garland permalink
    August 1, 2013 10:16 am

    Ron, my email for pictures is – jpgprints@gmail.com

    Not sure I remember that drunk….but there were several.

    Patrick

  52. ron crandall permalink
    July 31, 2013 1:16 pm

    I do have a picture of Cpt Brown and Lt Fitch. I can not attach to this email. Also you remember the black Major or Ltc who was the senior advisor for team 23? He was drunk in his room all the time.

  53. J. Patrick Garland permalink
    July 30, 2013 2:31 pm

    Joe Brown sounds familiar but a picture would be better to remember him & possibly Fitch. I was in Kontum from late ’68 to end of ’69 with MACV Tm 24 – G2 Air. Was there during the battle of Tan Cahn, supported in the command bunker there & going out to pick up prisoners with my VN counter part. We had a big show for the press about the Cu Hoi (sp?) effort with a prisoner who gave us info & we found a large cash of weapons – all laid out in Kontum for the press.

  54. Ron Crandall permalink
    July 29, 2013 11:31 pm

    What years were you there. I did not know this Brother. I was there 67-68.

  55. fred weston permalink
    July 29, 2013 12:16 pm

    Sorry, I didn’t know him.

  56. Chuck Schwiderski permalink
    July 29, 2013 11:27 am

    I was a member of Advisory Team 24 in Kontum. Just wondering if anyone knows what happened to SFC Wolf. He trained me well.

    • gale w. chapin permalink
      April 12, 2014 2:24 pm

      Chuck, Wolf retired in Killeen, TX, with his wife. He did own a fast food place right next to the high school last I knew.

    • gale w. chapin permalink
      April 12, 2014 10:02 pm

      Chuck,

      Update on SFC Wolfe, he died in 2000 and is buried in the Houston National Cemetery.

  57. Fred Weston permalink
    April 6, 2013 7:01 pm

    I didn’t have the priviledge to know either brother-in-arms…………..

  58. Fred Weston permalink
    February 8, 2013 12:38 am

    Team 23 was assigned to support the 42d ARVN at the village of Tan Cahn in Kontum Province. This team was considered the smallest advisory team in Vietnam. I was assigned to Team 23 from Jul 67 thru Mar 68 until reassigned to Team 24 Dak To Subsector. The garrison was not defendable and this proved correct in 1972 when they were overrun by NVA without any means of support from higher command.

    • February 15, 2013 9:14 pm

      Thank you Fred.

    • James Patrick Garland permalink
      April 6, 2013 1:02 pm

      Fred:

      Did you know Mike Harney? He was Tm 24, Kontum then up to Dak To in ’70. I just found out Mike passed away in 2010. Hartley Coursen was a Tm 24 Advisor friend as well. I was Tm 24 Kontum ’68-’69.

      Patrick Garland (1st LT).

      • Ronnie D Crandall permalink
        July 26, 2013 4:48 pm

        Ron Crandall, Tm23 6/67-5/68. What BN were you assigned to in Kontum? I was with the 1st and 3rd Bn at Tan Canh. I served 10 months with Fred Weston. Took me 46 yrs to find him. I never knew either of these brothers. Do you remember Cpt Joe Brown or Lt John Fitch?

      • Fred Weston permalink
        July 27, 2013 9:01 am

        I left the Dak To subsector in Jun 68 so I didn’t know Mike, the bulk of my duty while assigned to Tm 24 was with Tm 23. Though no one will find a record of that.

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